Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 December 13



Category:SARS

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:SARS to Category:Severe acute respiratory syndrome
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Propose expanding abbreviation to match main article Severe acute respiratory syndrome. "SARS" can be ambiguous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Rename to match full title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 02:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename to expand abbreviation, per title of the head article. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per nominator. Debresser (talk) 23:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Poland – England relations

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge/delete. Bearcat (talk) 17:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * poland – england relations


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. I suggest this category is too small to be necessary or desirable at this time. At the time of nomination, it contained only Eastland Company. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Poland – United Kingdom relations. While the Eastland Company was an English Company, for most of the time of its existence, Scotland and Ireland had no separate diplomatic relations with any one.  Under the British constitution, foreign relations are part of the Royal Prerogative.  The three kingdoms had a single monarch and all ambassadors were his (or her) representative, hence representing the monarch of them all.  Accordingly in practice, the merge target is identical to the category being discussed.  I know about this, because in recent months I have worked on improving many of the lists of British ambassadors, envoys-extraordinary, etc.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I disagree with Peter here, as the Scottish trading links were established prior to the Union of the Crowns: see and the reference at Economy_of_Scotland for example. I'd favour retaining the current English category and hope it can be joined by others in time, as articles mature. AllyD (talk)
 * Comment -- The presence of Sottish peddlars in Poland was so prevalent that the Polish word for a peddlar is derieved from that for a Scot. I was haowever primarily referring to diplomatic relations, which is what categories of this kind tend to be about.  Nevertheless, I agree that trade relations are also relevant.  What I had in mind was that this is not a case where the category really needs to be split between the nations of the UK.  Scottish trade relations with Poland, in my opinion, would be one that could properly be categorised in the (UK) parent category.  That is not intended as an insult to Scotland, or to deny its pre-1603 (or pre-1707) status, but a matter of practicality in not having a lot of minute categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's the Polish word for "stingy" that derives from Scots? But obviously related to the trading process anyway, so no matter! Peter and I are obviously placing different interpretations on the word "relations": him diplomatic and me commerce, which rather indicates the limitation of the current category name - see below. AllyD (talk) 15:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Poland – United Kingdom relations. There don't appear to be any Scot/Pole or Welsh/Pole articles as yet so no need for splitting (and ones pre-1800 or whenever would not be correctly in any UK parent category). Occuli (talk) 21:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Looking further at the sole article and its other categories, I see it is under Category:Chartered companies. In time, I'd like to see that subcategorising in two directions, by trading power and the targets of their activity (so gathering all English or Dutch companies to one side; gathering all East India companies to the other). But for the moment, I now agree this one is superfluous (and wouldn't want to see it placed in an untimely "United Kingdom" category). AllyD (talk) 15:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:ATHF Voice Actors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Although there was no further discussion after the nomination, there's a clear precedent against categories of this type — so, invoking the WP:SNOW principle, there's no point in relisting. Bearcat (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * athf voice actors


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Overcategorization of performer by performance. We don't categorize actors by their appearance in specific films or TV series. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:ICarly Actors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Bearcat (talk) 16:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * icarly actors


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Overcategorization of performer by performance. We don't categorize actors by their appearance in films or TV series. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per WP:OC, with squazillions of precedents.. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Glee songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * glee songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Apart from the name of this category being ambiguous, it is overcategorization by performance. We don't categorize songs by their appearance in films, games, or TV shows. This is categorizing songs by their appearance in Glee (TV series). Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment . Delete. My initial knee-jerk reaction was to say "Delete" but on further inspection, there are Wiki cats for Songs from Grease, Songs from High School Musical, Songs from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, etc. That these are all categorized under "Songs from musicals", but some also appear in a "Songs from films" category as well.  Granted, those are (all?) original songs, not "covers". I do think the category name is terrible and needs to be changed. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 01:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree the situation may be somewhat different if the songs are original songs to a film or TV series, but as you say these are just songs that have appeared in the TV series as "covers", essentially. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete These songs are not defined by being used in Glee, as they would be if they were original songs in a movie, play or television series. Alansohn (talk) 13:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete being covered by Glee is not a defining characteristic of these songs. List of songs in Glee is the right way to do this. Maralia (talk) 03:46, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't consider myself active enough in this community to interfere in a vote, but I would agree with Maralia above. A list is more appropriate.--Orgullomoore (talk) 16:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Alansohn. A list is more than sufficient. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why do I know you just wanted to use that particular felicitous phrase? Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:A Christmas Story

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD (empty for 4 days) -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * a christmas story


 * Nominator's rationale: Category had been bloated with addition of articles on products mentioned in the movie, pieces of music in the movie, etc. Once these were deleted, the remaining articles fit more reasonably in Category:Jean Shepherd and its subcat, making this category basically useless. John Carter (talk) 19:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait four days and speedy it as empty. Debresser (talk) 19:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:DKP members

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:German Communist Party members -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:DKP members to Category:German Communist Party members
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviation. Darwinek (talk) 18:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename per nomiantor, and per guideline to avoid abbreviations. Debresser (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Given the greater importance of the previous KPD and this party's origin in a minor name rearrangement to avoid a banning order (reflected in the disambiguation cross-references on the German Communist Party page), is there merit in retaining initials in the renaming for example Category:German Communist Party (DKP) members to be clear which party's membership is meant? AllyD (talk) 22:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename to match main article German Communist Party. The various KPDs are rendered "Communist Party of Germany" in English.- choster 04:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 03:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename, but use "politicians", rather than "members", which has become standard usage. If someone is a non-politician member of a party, it would usually be overcategorization to categorize them by political party membership. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, but there are lots and lots and lots of "members" categories already (like Category:California Republicans) and even for "affiliates" (like Category:People affiliated with Action Française). A big mess I left alone to get the politician categories standardized… - choster 17:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, well—maybe we should start. Either way, the abbreviation is no good for the category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Comics ambox templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * comics ambox templates


 * comic books ambox templates


 * Nominator's rationale: No reason to separate templates by their technical components, because that is 1. not essential 2. subject to change. The one template that was moved here today can be moved back to the parent Category:Comics templates. Debresser (talk) 18:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Side notes - 1) The contents have had a function based cat - Category:Comics maintenance templates - added that may better replace this one. And 2) the entire Category:Ambox templates should probably be looked at. - J Greb (talk) 12:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * J Greb is one of the people with the best overview of the comics templates categories, so I'm happy to go along with point 1) if he thinks this has been replaced and it seems 2) might be something that would be worth considering - relist with all the amboxes, there are only about 3 or 4 pages in as many categories and there doesn't seem much need for them (unless there are a lot of other things that could be in this area that are currently not). (Emperor (talk) 18:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC))
 * On the "Comic book" category that has been added - to be honest, that one was miss-named off the hop and was emptied into the "Comics" one. - J Greb (talk) 23:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - from what J Greb says these categories can (have been?) replaced and one is empty. It is a under-used structure and I think can be safely cleaned away. (Emperor (talk) 02:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC))


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Category:LGBT rights by year

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge, no prejudice against subsequent renaming in the other direction. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:LGBT rights by year to Category:Years in LGBT rights
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge (or reverse merge). Both categories contain the LGBT rights by year series, only one is needed. The parents of both should  be added to whichever is kept. Tim! (talk) 09:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I prefer the convention where 'Category:Foo by year' is a subcat scheme (which this is not). Occuli (talk) 13:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge per nominator to Category:LGBT rights by year per Occuli. Debresser (talk) 19:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge -- as others have said. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Egrem, per Occuli. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


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Fooian dance

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Wow, I suck at these things. —  ξ xplicit  22:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Content copied from WP:CFDS
 * Category:Cuban dance to Category:Dance in Cuba - #4. — ξ xplicit  20:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * See below. Grutness...wha?  00:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Category:Irish dance to Category:Dance in Ireland - #4. — ξ xplicit  20:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is for Irish dance -i.e., specific styles of dance as associated with Irish dancing tradition. It is not synonymous with dance in Ireland (in fact, the World Irish Dance Association is based in the Netherlands! I suspect that the categories for Cuban dance and South Korean dance may be similar, especially the Cuban one. Grutness...wha?  00:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Category:South Korean dance to Category:Dance in South Korea - #4. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  20:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * See above. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * End copied material
 * I personally disagree with this assessment, so I've brought these nominations to full discussion. If a dance is specifically associated to a certain region as pointed out above, it seems a subcategory would seem more appropriate. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  06:00, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how you'd work those subcategories. Not all dance in Ireland is in the style of Irish dance; ballroom dancing is popular there, for example. Neither is all Irish dance performed in Ireland; as previously pointed out, the world association isn't even based in Ireland. A category for may be a good idea, but  could not be a subcategory of, nor vice versa. The same is true of Cuban dance, and most likely also with South Korea, though this last one may not be so -  already exists for that purpose (though it too may have a questionable name). These categories are not for dance by location, but for dance by origin. It's analogous to changing  to . I can see a definite case for re-sorting  between a new  and the existing , and the same with division of  between two new categories for  and , but not a direct renaming. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  10:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep – Grutness is correct re Ireland/Irish, and I am sure Cuban Dance is a style (or collection of styles); I have no info on Korean Dance. (I am assuming the usual laws of logic apply to dance, unlike say in the Wine categories, where inebriation might be a factor.) Occuli (talk) 14:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Irish dance, which refers to a style, not a location. I do not know about the rest, but I suspect that the same considerations may apply.  I do not like "Irish dances", since "dance" is the appropriate collective noun.  If necessary, the category should be provided with a short introductory note defining its scope, making clear why "ballet in Ireland" would not be an appropriate member.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep A geography /genre issue similar to the recent Brazilian jazz/Cuban jazz topic. AllyD (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:ATHF Characters
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:ATHF Characters to Category:Aqua Teen Hunger Force characters
 * Nominator's rationale: To expand acronym and correct capitalization. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  02:47, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename: That's a speedy, per #7. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 04:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Criteria number seven deals with dash fixes. There is no speedy criteria for expanding acronyms other than for country names (criteria number five). — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  04:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 05:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename per nominator, in accordance with guideline to avoid abbreviations. Debresser (talk) 19:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename Previously deleted at CfD 2008/Jan/24; however, the character articles are much better developed now, and the previous outcome should not prejudice this discussion.- choster 18:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Talk pages
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete as utterly pointless. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * talk pages


 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant. If used it will contain millions of entries. Which namespace is it for? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Seems to be some kind of bad joke. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 04:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't delete! Some users may simply wish to label their talk pages as "talk pages". Why is this a joke? This is similar to the Category: Wikipedians. It may be argued that all the userpages can be categorised as Wikipedians, but some may prefer to have that label, while others do not. I like this category.Difu Wu (talk) 14:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete All talk pages are clearly recognisable without this. Debresser (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete -- every user, article, and category has (or could have) a talk page, so that this is a wholly unnecessary category. Categories are a navigation aid, not a means of bullet-pointing article content.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


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