Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 January 12



Category:Bahá'í teachings

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 14:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Bahá'í teachings to Category:Bahá'í belief and doctrine
 * Nominator's rationale: Standardize with similar category names. Editor2020 (talk) 23:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename as Nom: a good idea. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename sounds good -- Jeff3000 (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. There's no reason to use a different formulation for this religion. Cgingold (talk) 22:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not opposed to a rename per se, but there seems to be as little consistency across religions in the naming of similar categories than there is among the teachings, beliefs, doctrines, views and viewpoints of these religions. Looking at the parents of this Category:Bahá'í teachings, under Category:Views by religion, I see Category:Buddhist views, Category:Hindu views, Category:Jewish views, Category:Muslim views, Category:Latter Day Saint views, but also Category:Christian viewpoints. In turn, Category:Religious belief and doctrine does have Category:Buddhist belief and doctrine and Category:Christian belief and doctrine, but also Category:Raëlian beliefs and practices and Category:Scientology beliefs and practices. This is an issue that should be addressed on a more global basis than just Bahá'í. Alansohn (talk) 04:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Alansohn brings up a good point, and while we're here let's try to tackle it. I think that "teachings" is better reflected in "belief and doctrine"; "views" should probably be more expansive including those areas that are not strictly belief or doctrine. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Picts

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to move the articles.  If anyone wants to recreate this in order to use it as a parent category for non-people articles, feel free. Kbdank71 16:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Picts to Category:Pictish people
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Technical nomination found doing cleanup. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge -- They cover the same subject. "Picts" would be acceptable, but I think we usually have "people" categories now.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge/recreate/cleanup For the most part, the noun form is used as a main category for extinct, stateless, or other peoples whose name is not intrinsically tied to a discrete political entity, while individuals are grouped in Fooian people. Thus, one would expect to find articles like Kingdom of Cait and Battle of Dunnichen, in Category:Picts, not Category:Pictish culture— these articles are not about cultural topics. Perhaps the creators of Category:Pictish people followed the convention of Category:Historical ethnic groups of Europe, whereas the creators of Category:Picts followed the example of the parent Category:Celts, in which the Fooian culture is used as the main category and Fooians for individuals.-choster (talk) 07:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose; move articles if appropriate, but a distinction is necessary between the two; see: e.g., Category:Franks and Category:Frankish people. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is going to be easier to merge and then re-create. No one has denied the need for a parent category for Picts.-choster (talk) 05:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sort of Oppose per Choster & Carlos - all the current articles are bios which should be in Category:Pictish people, but we should have a parent Category:Picts (or possibly Category:Pict) for the battles etc. How this is accomplished (merge or move the current contents) I'm not fussed. Johnbod (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:FM 87.7 MHz Stations with video signal

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * fm 87.7 mhz stations with video signal


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Wikipedia does not categorize broadcasters by frequency, nor does it categorize them by signal content, so this seems like an overly narrow category. If this intersection is significant, I propose that the category be listified prior to deletion. Stepheng3 (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Trivial intersection, improper categorization anyway. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Telugu Cinema Charitra

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * telugu cinema charitra


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete An eponymous category for a book, the only page in this category is an article about the author. This is an inversion of Wikipedia's categorization scheme, which generally categorize books by author, not the other way around. Stepheng3 (talk) 23:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete The author has produced a number of books (all redlinked in his article), of which this is one. In my view his article has far too many red-links, and they ought to be delinked.  This is a category about a book that does not even have an article on it! It connot survive.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with religion or philosophy

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:People by association. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * people associated with religion or philosophy


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete  Unnecessary level of categorization Editor2020 (talk) 22:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Upmerge, as that seems to be the term for what I'm trying to accomplish. (Trying to learn the lingo.)--Editor2020 (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * DeleteThis is a parent for Category:People associated with religion and Category:People associated with philosophy, but they do not need a joint parent. The former category needs cleaning up as it should purely be a parent for categories concerning particualr religions: it probably ought not to have any articles in it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:People by association. The extra level of category hierarchy only impedes navigation. - Stepheng3 (talk) 21:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per Stepheng3. Cgingold (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Youth substance abuse prevention

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete both. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * youth substance abuse prevention


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete An unparented category created for a single article, this category provides no navigational assistance to encyclopedia users. Stepheng3 (talk) 22:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * youth violence prevention


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete An unparented category created for a single article, this category provides no navigational assistance to encyclopedia users. Stepheng3 (talk) 22:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete -- unless populated and parented during FCFD period. The one article (the same one in each case) in it is itself an orphan.  It has several other categories, and appears to be well-researched.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note -- I have joined these two nominations together since they raise precisely the same issue. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No help in navigating among the one article. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Freshman Congress Members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * freshman congress members


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete The category was created for an article which was speedily deleted. There are already lists for this purpose -- see List of freshman class members of the 110th United States Congress. The only page in this category is an incomplete template.  Stepheng3 (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This is as bad as "Current" categories, whcih we do not have because they will go out of date. The list should be enough, together with categorisation as congressmen.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - per standard against "current" categories which is what this amounts to and in favor of the list. Otto4711 (talk) 12:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - "current" category per convention and precedent. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Cing

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 16:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Cing to Category:Cing games
 * Nominator's rationale: To maintain consistency of the naming of categories of video games by developer (e.g. Category:Konami games or Category:Capcom games). MuZemike 20:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Remove Cing and rename. Consistency is not a strong argument here because one could just as well argue consistency with Category:Video game developers.  However, all the articles except for Cing are about games, so a game category seems much more useful than a category for the company in general. - Stepheng3 (talk) 21:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Moesha

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * moesha


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category with no likelihood of expansion. The articles are all interlinked and appropriately categorized. Otto4711 (talk) 17:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete These TV series categories should not exist. All the necessary infomation is usually incorporated in a template, which provides a simpler navigation tool.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Petekingiron and precedent. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Grande Croix of the Légion d'honneur

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per creator request. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * grande croix of the légion d'honneur


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete nom by creator, misspelling emerson7 17:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If it indeed a misspelling, Speedy delete. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Grande → Grand. extant category with correct spelling. --emerson7 22:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Former Assyrian Nestorian Christians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; Category:Former Assyrian Christians could be created for other articles if and when needed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * former assyrian nestorian christians


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Narrow category, low likelihood of expansion Editor2020 (talk) 16:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep or REname -- This is a significant Middle Eastern Christian denomination; so I do not see why it should not exist. I suspect however that we describe its members as Assyrians, not as Nestorians, which is a description only used by outsiders.  Suggest Category:Former Assyrian Christians .  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete' A somewhat POV category, as he appears to have been trying to reunite his "former" church with the RCC, like later Greek Orthodox leaders, but was not followed by other leaders. It's not clear how he viewed his position vis-a-vis the Assyrian Church. Johnbod (talk) 03:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unnnecessary (former) religion category. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Hinduism related lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hinduism related lists to Category:Hinduism-related lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Match standard usage Editor2020 (talk) 16:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom for consistency with other lists. Cgingold (talk) 22:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.-choster (talk) 06:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Buddhist-related lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Buddhist-related lists to Category:Buddhism-related lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Match standard usage Editor2020 (talk) 16:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom for consistency with other lists. Cgingold (talk) 22:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom; present grammatical form also limits contents to lists about people who are Buddhist.-choster (talk) 03:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Element

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as apparent test page. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * element


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Empty category created as part of an editing test. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Can't add anything to nom: a new user is testing the system heavily.--Cerejota (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Persian Cinema

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 * The result of the discussion was: administrative close only : already deleted by User:Pascal.Tesson. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * wikiproject persian cinema


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Category for obsolete WikiProject that was merged into WP:FILM. PC78 (talk) 13:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy close and transfer to User categories for discussion. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a WikiProject category, not a user category. PC78 (talk) 07:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * G8 Parent project deleted. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Buildings attacked in the November 2008 Mumbai attacks
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Buildings attacked in the November 2008 Mumbai attacks to Category:Buildings attacked in the 2008 Mumbai attacks
 * Nominator's rationale: Same reason as the previous ones: main article name changed. Also link to main article. Cerejota (talk) 11:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - This seems a bit too fine-grained to justify a category, imo. It might be better to convert it to a navbox. Cgingold (talk) 14:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There is already a navbox for the entire series, that includes the sites. If others do not oppose deletion, neither would I, but please let the talk page over at the main article know. --Cerejota (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per discussion and the fact that all articles now have the template included. I do wonder why several of the articles in the category are not listed in the template.  Vegaswikian (talk) 00:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:People of the November 2008 Mumbai attacks
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per amended nomination. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People of the November 2008 Mumbai attacks to Category:People associated with the 2008 Mumbai attacks
 * Nominator's rationale: Main article changed. We should also add a "main article is" template with 2008 Mumbai attacks. Cerejota (talk) 11:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename - But I suggest . I believe "People associated with" has come to be favored over "People of" by the majority of editors. (Note: I created a new sub-cat, Category:Victims of the 2008 Mumbai attacks.) Cgingold (talk) 14:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Cerejota (talk) 15:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Changed the nom.--Cerejota (talk) 15:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For future reference: It's generally best to use " strike-thru text " to indicate where you've amended what you wrote, so other folks who come along can see what transpired. Some people might be a bit puzzled by my comment, but it's pretty minor in this case, so I'm not really concerned about it. Cgingold (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:November 2008 Mumbai attacks
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:November 2008 Mumbai attacks to Category:2008 Mumbai attacks
 * Nominator's rationale: Article name changed, we should also change the "main article" as it points to a redirect. Cerejota (talk) 11:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Hopefully this name will be stable. Cgingold (talk) 14:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Haven't seen a solidier, snowball consensus ever ;)--Cerejota (talk) 15:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename to conform to the rest of the articles on the incident. SBC-YPR (talk) 10:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Neoplatonist texts
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * neoplatonist texts


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Small category, low likelihood of expansion Editor2020 (talk) 03:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Merge to Category:Neoplatonism--Editor2020 (talk) 03:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * and why not to Category:Religious texts also? Johnbod (talk) 03:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as capable of expansion, but nomination should be to upmerge, not delete - as for most of the following noms. Johnbod (talk) 11:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I expect there are other items to be added one day; alternatively upmerge, but keep for preference. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Bahá'í magazines
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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Religious texts and Category:Bahá'í texts. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * bahá'í magazines


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Small category, unlikely to be expanded. Editor2020 (talk) 02:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Merge to Category:Bahá'í Faith
 * Keep/upmerge Size doesn't matter, besides, do we have crystal balls (mine are adamantium!) ;) Although up-merge might be OK. --Cerejota (talk) 12:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure it does. See WP:OC--Editor2020 (talk) 00:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to both parent cats. Johnbod (talk) 03:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Upmerge note: one item categories with their one item being a one-liner sourced to its own website is probably OVERCAT. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Multiracial Singaporeans
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 14:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * multiracial singaporeans


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Another "multiracial" category. Category:Multiracial people and its by-nationality and by-occupation subcategories have been repeatedly deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - is there a technological way to prevent the creation of partial category strings, such that no category that begins with " (talk) 10:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - such as Category:Multiracial affairs? Occuli (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think there could probably be a better name for the category. As it stands it could be interpreted as being for articles about actual sexual affairs that involve people of different races. Otto4711 (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed – a very bizarre collection of articles. (It is the only other category beginning " (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If we somehow had the technology to block it, I'm sure people would just move on to " ... . Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Those concerned should be categorised according to their ethnic descents (assuming that their ethnicity is a notable characteristic), not as multracial. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per past discussion, categories by nationality is overcategorization. Diverse  Mentality  07:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per past precedent. this is OCAT. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Deist texts
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Deism. Kbdank71 16:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * deist texts


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Narrow, with low likelihood of expansion. Editor2020 (talk) 01:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Merge to Category:Deism. "Texts", as it is used in the current Wikipedia categorization scheme, has the meaning of Category:Religious texts, not just books.--Editor2020 (talk) 03:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Deism is a legitimate theological position (with which I profoundly disagree). I have no idea how many texts relating to it there may be, but I do not think that the alternatvie of upmerging would be appropriate.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom - again, 1 article category but here the label is retrospective. What is a Deist text? A text upon which Deists rely for their faith/theological position? One written by a Deist? One that some later literary critic (including any WP editor) has determined fits the bill? This book has something to do with Deism - I doubt that it's considered a "sacred text" which is how we apparently use "texts" (I guess "scripture" would be too POV for some), unlike the Book of Mormon, Koran, or Bible, so upmerge. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


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