Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 November 16



Subcategories of Category:River class frigates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename:
 * Category:Australian River class frigates to Category:River class frigates of the Royal Australian Navy
 * Category:Canadian River class frigates to Category:River class frigates of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * -- X damr  talk 22:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming
 * Category:Australian River class frigates to Category:River class frigates of the Royal Australian Navy
 * Category:Canadian River class frigates to Category:River class frigates of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename The proposed category names more accurately reflect the nature of the categories. The proposed naming style mirrors the style in use for other multi-navy ship classes, like Category:Flower class corvettes (see 5 June 2009 CfD). As it is currently, the Canadian category is especially problematic since there were (a) ships that were built in Canada that didn't serve in the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN), (b) ships that served in the RCN but were built in the UK, and (c) ships that were both built in Canada and served in the RCN. — Bellhalla (talk) 23:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename all since that is the preferred format in Category:River class frigates. Debresser (talk) 14:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Traditional/folk music world-wide

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete.  --  X damr  talk 19:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * traditional/folk music world-wide


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete or rename. We shouldn't have a slash in a category name like this, and this category seems to be better covered by other categories. If kept, give a better name. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 02:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 23:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename or Merge: Do not delete -- This is an attempt to provide a category for folk music by nationality, but on a wider basis than a purely natioanl one. We do not usually categorise by continent, but the articles are mostly lists on a wider basis than single countries.  I see two possibilities: merge with Category:Folk music by nationality (currently its subcategory) or move subcategories to Category:Folk music, and place the articles in a new Category:Lists of folk music traditions.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Give it a better name. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I admire people trying to do good things on Wikipedia, but this name is awkward. Debresser (talk) 17:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that if deletion is on the table, notification should be given on the talk page of all categories and pages that are in this category. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems redundant to Category:Folk music. "World wide" seems to be redundant.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP I am responsible for the category and its name: I apologise for its evident unweildiness and for failing to complete a daunting task to date. Check my record: I have re-categorised and edited hundreds of music pages. There's a reason for the name; categorisation has been made difficult by different use of different terms by different editors: there is controversy and no consensus across several related fields (even including the very meaning of the words "genre" and "style") that has so far remained unresolved and made clear categorisation impossible to achieve. In the present context there is considerable confusion between the categories/genres "world music", "traditional music", "indigenous music" and "folk music". The awkward name of the category is my attempt to achieve better linking between articles so categorised, and it still seems to me the only immediate way to make progress in this necessary aim. Please do not delete or rename in the absence of a consensus over a better way to achieve it. Thanks. Redheylin (talk) 01:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * delete and start over. The name is a crying shame, and the contents aren't much better. If there is no consensus across fields to use common terms to name these different types of music, then we shouldn't be trying to group them together in one category. We should be using CatRel to link the various categories, not creating an artificial super-category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Government in Leeds

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Government in Leeds to Category:Local government in Leeds.  --  X damr  talk 19:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Government in Leeds to Category:Politics in Leeds
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Standardise with parent Category:Politics of West Yorkshire and others. MRSC (talk) 08:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Should Category:Government in Bradford and Category:Government in Wakefield be renamed in a similar way as well? -- WOSlinker (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose.  is a subcat of, which is part of the tree parented under  ... and it should co-exist with a separate , parented under  9which includes elections, parliamentary constituencies, etc).
 * I stumbled on this renaming proposal whilst sorting out the politics and govt categories for Yorkshire, having already created a Category:Politics of Leeds, and partially depopulated the nominated category. I wouldn't have proceeded had I spotted the CFR underway, but what I have done is to create the appropriate Politics of X categories, and moved out of the Government of X categories the article which don't relate to local government.
 * To avoid further confusion, there may be a case for renaming the subcats of to "local government" rather than just "government", but if so I suggest that this should be done as a group nomination rather than an ad-hoc basis. There are squillions of other similar categories such as, ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  etc ... all of which deal solely with local govt, all of which are about local rather than national govt, and should be named accordingly. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Oppose and insert 'Local' per BHG. Eg we have Category:Local government in Greater Manchester whose subcats should also include 'Local' in the name. Category:Politics of Leeds is already nicely set up with national politics at the top level and local politics in the subcat. Occuli (talk) 23:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Local Government in Leeds. The other categories identified by  Brown HairedGirl also need to be renamed, but that will need to be the subject of a separate (global) nomination for all such categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The convention of is not to capitalise "government", so the new name should be Category:Local government in Leeds. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment That wider nomination can be found at Categories for_discussion/Log/2009 November 19. 29 categories "Government in foo" listed so far. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Low-carbon transport

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge into both parent categories.  The category can be recreated if and when there is some clear definition of what it should contain that does not overlap an existing category.  Note that the category only contained one sub category.  The sole article was included in that category. So this is also a case of OCAT.  Vegaswikian (talk) 23:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:Low-carbon transport to Category:Electric vehicles
 * Nominator's rationale: Downmerge. So far, there is no description of the category nor any examples not from the targetted subcategory. — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 10:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Delete We have Category:Low-carbon economy, and Low-carbon economy includes a section on "Transportation Services." It does not, however, provide any canonical definition of "low-carbon," and the definitions it does provide are highly subjective and otherwise problematic.- choster 18:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. :-o I should have seen that.  I've now attached it to Category:Low-carbon economy, and created a potentially appropriate catmain.  I still think the category should be merged somewhere, though.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I would have supported deletion but held out in case a subject matter expert could cite some sort of international standard, comparable to Category:LEED certified buildings. Of course, where I live, almost all electricity is coal-fired, so electric vehicles do not in fact contribute to lowering carbon emissions.- choster 22:43, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 22:50, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep -- Eleectric vehicles might be an example of Low-carbon transport, but there may be others (such as the bicycle). Peterkingiron (talk) 16:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you define "low carbon"?- choster 01:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter since low carbon is not the same as electric. 76.66.197.2 (talk) 06:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The discussion is about the disposition of Category:Low-carbon transport, not simply whether to merge it or not. If it is not suitable for a merge, it may be still be suitable for a straight deletion, and since no one has proffered a suitable definition of "low-carbon" I think it is too subjective to use as a basis for categorization— hence worthy of deletion.- choster 22:46, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose low-carbon is not the same as electric. Merging would be wrong. If you want to delete the category, then make another CfD nomination for deletion. 76.66.197.2 (talk) 06:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, because low-carbon is subjective, and among other things does not take into account indirect carbon emissions. If academia cannot agree on the exact indirect effects of the carbon emissions of particular modes of transport and their fules, I doubt we will be any better. Arsenikk (talk)  21:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Locomotives of Foo

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename:


 * Category:Algerian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Algeria
 * Category:Argentinian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Argentina
 * Category:Australian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Austrian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Austria
 * Category:Bavarian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Bavaria
 * Category:Belgian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Belgium
 * Category:Brazilian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Brazil
 * Category:British locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Great Britain
 * Category:Canadian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Canada
 * Category:Chinese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Czech locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Czechoslovakian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Czechoslovakia
 * Category:Danish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Denmark
 * Category:Dutch locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:Egyptian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Egypt
 * Category:German locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Germany
 * Category:Greek locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Greece
 * Category:Hungarian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Hungary
 * Category:Indian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of India
 * Category:Indonesian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Indonesia
 * Category:Iranian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Iran
 * Category:Iraqi locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Iraq
 * Category:Irish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Ireland
 * Category:Italian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Italy
 * Category:Japanese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Lebanese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Lebanon
 * Category:Malaysian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Malaysia
 * Category:Moroccan locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Morocco
 * Category:New Zealand railway locomotives to Category:Locomotives of New Zealand
 * Category:Nigerian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Nigeria
 * Category:Pakistani locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Pakistan
 * Category:Polish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Poland
 * Category:Russian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Russia
 * Category:Slovak locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Slovakia
 * Category:Slovenian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Slovenia
 * Category:South Korean locomotives to Category:Locomotives of South Korea
 * Category:Soviet locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the Soviet Union
 * Category:Spanish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Spain
 * Category:Swedish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Sweden
 * Category:Swiss locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Switzerland
 * Category:Syrian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Syria
 * Category:Taiwanese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Republic of China
 * Category:Yugoslavian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Yugoslavia
 * Category:Algerian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Algeria
 * Category:Argentinian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Argentina
 * Category:Australian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Brazilian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Brazil
 * Category:British diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Great Britain
 * Category:Canadian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Canada
 * Category:Chinese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Czech diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Czechoslovakian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Czechoslovakia
 * Category:Dutch diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:Egyptian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Egypt
 * Category:Finnish diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Finland
 * Category:French diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of France
 * Category:German diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Germany
 * Category:Indian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of India
 * Category:Indonesian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Indonesia
 * Category:Iranian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Iran
 * Category:Japanese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Lebanese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Lebanon
 * Category:Malaysian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Malaysia
 * Category:Moroccan diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Morocco
 * Category:New Zealand diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of New Zealand
 * Category:Nigerian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Nigeria
 * Category:Norwegian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Norway
 * Category:Pakistani diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Pakistan
 * Category:Russian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Russia
 * Category:Slovenian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Slovenia
 * Category:Slovak diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Slovakia
 * Category:South Korean diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of South Korea
 * Category:Spanish diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Spain
 * Category:Swiss diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Switzerland
 * Category:Syrian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Syria
 * Category:Taiwanese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Republic of China
 * Category:American diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of the United States
 * Category:Yugoslavian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Yugoslavia
 * Category:Australian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Belgian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Belgium
 * Category:British electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Great Britain
 * Category:Chinese electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Czech electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Dutch electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:French electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of France
 * Category:Indian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of India
 * Category:Japanese electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Russian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Russia
 * Category:Slovak electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Slovakia
 * Category:Slovenian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Slovenia
 * Category:South Korean electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of South Korea
 * Category:Spanish electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Spain
 * Category:Swiss electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Switzerland
 * Category:Turkish electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Turkey
 * Category:Australian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Austrian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Austria
 * Category:Belgian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Belgium
 * Category:British steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Great Britain
 * Category:Canadian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Canada
 * Category:Chinese steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Dutch steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:French steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of France
 * Category:German steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Germany
 * Category:Hungarian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Hungary
 * Category:Indian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of India
 * Category:Iraqi steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Iraq
 * Category:Italian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Italy
 * Category:Japanese steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Russian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Russia


 * -- X damr  talk 19:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Locomotives of the United States to Category:American locomotives
 * Category:Locomotives of France to Category:French locomotives
 * Category:Locomotives of South Africa to Category:South African locomotives
 * Category:Locomotives of Turkey to Category:Turkish locomotives
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match the form used for the other categories in Category:Locomotives by country. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose rename the others instead to Locomotives of Foo. 76.66.201.240 (talk) 03:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose If the category is about 'locomotives' then that should be the first term e.g. Locomotives of Foo. Makes searching much easier if your interest is 'locomotives'. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose — for several reasons (1) WP:NCCAT suggests that in ‘by country’ categories, it should be “Locomotives of Foo” rather than “Fooian Locomotives”; (2) It is “Locomotives of Foo” on Commons, so not having to remember two different forms is an aid to users; (3) Avoiding the adjectival form of country names is an aid to users for whom English is a foreign language. Iain Bell (talk) 10:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Therefore I propose renaming all Fooian locomotives to Locomotives of Foo in the Category:Locomotives by country tree. Iain Bell (talk) 11:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT: For the record, the 113 categories affected have all been tagged and are:


 * Category:Algerian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Algeria
 * Category:Argentinian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Argentina
 * Category:Australian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Austrian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Austria
 * Category:Bavarian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Bavaria
 * Category:Belgian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Belgium
 * Category:Brazilian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Brazil
 * Category:British locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Great Britain – not United Kingdom, since Northern Ireland is in supranational category
 * Category:Canadian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Canada
 * Category:Chinese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Czech locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Czechoslovakian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Czechoslovakia
 * Category:Danish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Denmark
 * Category:Dutch locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:Egyptian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Egypt
 * Category:German locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Germany
 * Category:Greek locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Greece
 * Category:Hungarian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Hungary
 * Category:Indian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of India
 * Category:Indonesian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Indonesia
 * Category:Iranian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Iran
 * Category:Iraqi locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Iraq
 * Category:Irish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Ireland – supranational category
 * Category:Italian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Italy
 * Category:Japanese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Lebanese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Lebanon
 * Category:Malaysian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Malaysia
 * Category:Moroccan locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Morocco
 * Category:New Zealand railway locomotives to Category:Locomotives of New Zealand
 * Category:Nigerian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Nigeria
 * Category:Pakistani locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Pakistan
 * Category:Polish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Poland
 * Category:Russian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Russia
 * Category:Slovak locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Slovakia
 * Category:Slovenian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Slovenia
 * Category:South Korean locomotives to Category:Locomotives of South Korea
 * Category:Soviet locomotives to Category:Locomotives of the Soviet Union
 * Category:Spanish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Spain
 * Category:Swedish locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Sweden
 * Category:Swiss locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Switzerland
 * Category:Syrian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Syria
 * Category:Taiwanese locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Republic of China
 * Category:Yugoslavian locomotives to Category:Locomotives of Yugoslavia
 * Category:Algerian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Algeria
 * Category:Argentinian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Argentina
 * Category:Australian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Brazilian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Brazil
 * Category:British diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Great Britain
 * Category:Canadian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Canada
 * Category:Chinese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Czech diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Czechoslovakian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Czechoslovakia
 * Category:Dutch diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:Egyptian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Egypt
 * Category:Finnish diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Finland
 * Category:French diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of France
 * Category:German diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Germany
 * Category:Indian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of India
 * Category:Indonesian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Indonesia
 * Category:Iranian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Iran
 * Category:Japanese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Lebanese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Lebanon
 * Category:Malaysian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Malaysia
 * Category:Moroccan diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Morocco
 * Category:New Zealand diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of New Zealand
 * Category:Nigerian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Nigeria
 * Category:Norwegian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Norway
 * Category:Pakistani diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Pakistan
 * Category:Russian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Russia
 * Category:Slovenian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Slovenia
 * Category:Slovak diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Slovakia
 * Category:South Korean diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of South Korea
 * Category:Spanish diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Spain
 * Category:Swiss diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Switzerland
 * Category:Syrian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Syria
 * Category:Taiwanese diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Republic of China
 * Category:Diesel locomotives of the USA to Category:Diesel locomotives of the United States – discussion ongoing elsewhere
 * Category:Yugoslavian diesel locomotives to Category:Diesel locomotives of Yugoslavia
 * Category:Australian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Belgian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Belgium
 * Category:British electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Great Britain
 * Category:Chinese electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Czech electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Dutch electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:French electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of France
 * Category:Indian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of India
 * Category:Japanese electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Russian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Russia
 * Category:Slovak electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Slovakia
 * Category:Slovenian electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Slovenia
 * Category:South Korean electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of South Korea
 * Category:Spanish electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Spain
 * Category:Swiss electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Switzerland
 * Category:Turkish electric locomotives to Category:Electric locomotives of Turkey
 * Category:Australian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Australia
 * Category:Austrian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Austria
 * Category:Belgian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Belgium
 * Category:British steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Great Britain
 * Category:Canadian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Canada
 * Category:Chinese steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Croatian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Croatia
 * Category:Dutch steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of the Netherlands
 * Category:French steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of France
 * Category:German steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Germany
 * Category:Hungarian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Hungary
 * Category:Indian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of India
 * Category:Iraqi steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Iraq
 * Category:Italian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Italy
 * Category:Japanese steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Japan
 * Category:Russian steam locomotives to Category:Steam locomotives of Russia
 * By the way, my spell checker doesn't like “Argentinian”; it prefers “Argentinean”. Iain Bell (talk) 16:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Iain Bell's suggestion to rename all the other categories to match these, per WP:NCCAT's general 'of country' rule. Olaf Davis (talk) 16:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. If anyone is convinced that is the reverse merge is the correct direction, fell free to tag the other categories and close this nomination as withdrawn.  If the others are not nominated, then this should be renamed for constancy. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Iain Bell has tagged the others (or at least many of them) so I suggest we continue the discussion here. Olaf Davis (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Question. Where does WP:NCCAT rule that such categories should be Locomotives of Foo? --Bermicourt (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I now realise it says that subcats of Category:Rail transport by country should be named "... in Foo". I'm not sure whether we should take that to mean just the immediate subcats or extend it to sub-sub-cats as well - anyone have any strong opinion on "on" vs. "in"? Either way I think the vast number of "noun preposition Foo" forms listed at WP:NCCAT means we should follow suit unless there's a good reason not to. Olaf Davis (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose change to US category. "American" in WP refers to North and South America, NOT to US, for which the present title (or with phrases reversed) is correct.  Neutral on rest.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Iain Bell's idea. Put the what that is being categorized before the how they are being categorized. Plus it avoids adjectival forms, which can cause confusion. I also believe Olaf Davis's interpretation is correct, that it should be Locomotives in Foo, as locomotives are the sort of durable good that can, and often are, imported and not necessarily domestically made, which is implied by the use of "of". oknazevad (talk) 23:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename all per rationale explained in two of yesterdays nominations. Basically the arguments are that 1. This is the accepted form for this parent category 2. We use "American" for all category names that use the adjective to mean US, and this nomination is not the right forum to change that. Post instead on Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion for such global proposals. In the mean time, Vegaswikian is right. Debresser (talk) 01:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Which bit of Vegaswikian's comment are you agreeing with? "tag the other categories" has already been done; "close this nomination as withdrawn" seems unnecessary since they've been added here - or are you saying we should close and reopen with the newly added categories?. "If the others are not nominated, then this should be renamed for constancy" - the others have been nominated, so this seems somewhat moot... Olaf Davis (talk) 20:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 22:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Support Iain Bell's idea instead, per oknazevad, 76.66.201.240, et al. Anti-Nationalist (talk) 14:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Iain Bell. If American us used as a synonym for USA, it should not be: Brazilians and Canadians are also Americans.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Iain Bell's suggestion, the most user-friendly and accurate categorization. Arsenikk (talk)  21:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Haunted places in Britain

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Haunted places in Britain to Category:Reportedly haunted places in the United Kingdom.  No consensus for change to 'Paranormal', though broad agreement on 'United Kingdom'.  Renamed to match parent article, List of reportedly haunted locations, and avoid outrageously POV/OR concerns over whether there really are such things as wee ghosties and things that go bump in the night...  --  X damr  talk 19:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Haunted places in Britain to Category:Paranormal places in the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. (1) Suggest changing "haunted" to "paranormal" to match parent category . "Haunted" is a bit more definite-sounding (and thus POV) than "paranormal". "Haunted" suggests a knowledge of the reason the place is paranormal. (2) Suggest making this a country category ("United Kingdom") rather than an island one ("Britain", meaning "Great Britain", I assume). Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support rename.Shadygrove2007 (talk) 21:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep "haunted", since that is what they are called. What is "paranormal place" supposed to mean? I'd rename that category. Rename to "United Kingdon" per nominator. Debresser (talk) 14:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would think "paranormal" is much broader than "haunted". The Bermuda Triangle would be called "paranormal", but not necessarily "haunted". But I think you are right that "paranormal" is not exactly crystal clear. I disagree though that narrowing it in this way is a step forward. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Name and title maintenance templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Name and title maintenance templates to Category:Wikipedia page name maintenance templates.  --  X damr  talk 19:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Name and title maintenance templates to Category:to be determined by consensus
 * Nominator's rationale: "Name and title" is completely redundant. That's like saying "cats and felines". My initial proposal is Category:Page name maintenance templates, but consensus might prefer "title" over "name" or want to prefix it, as many categories do, to make it clear that it's a WP self-ref: Category:Wikipedia page name maintenance templates.  We might also want to just drop the word "maintenance".  I really don't care, I just want to get rid of the silly redundancy. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;  ‹(-¿-)› 19:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree with nominator and suggest Category:Title templates. Debresser (talk) 14:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That one is taken, incorrectly if you ask me, so make that Category:Title related templates. Debresser (talk) 14:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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D-Block
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all per nom.  --  X damr  talk 19:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming:


 * Category:D-Block to Category:D-Block Records
 * Category:D-Block albums to Category:D-Block Records albums
 * Category:D-Block members to Category:D-Block Records members
 * Nominator's rationale: To expand and match parent article, D-Block Records. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  07:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Renames to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 13:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:IDM musicians
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:IDM musicians to Category:Intelligent dance music musicians.  --  X damr  talk 19:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:IDM musicians to Category:Intelligent dance musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: To expand and match parent article is intelligent dance music, as IDM is ambiguous. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  07:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 13:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename, but not to the proposed name. Trouble with the proposal is that it seems to presuppose we'll need a category for stupid dance musicians too. Perhaps, analogous to the jazz ones listed below? Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:50, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. IDM only has one meaning in music, so there doesn't seem to be an ambiguity. The proposed name is worse, as Grutness mentioned, since it reads like "dance musicians who are intelligent", whereas "IDM musicians" is unambiguous in that way. What specific incidents of actual confusion prompted the rename? If there are none, then it seems unnecessary. The genre is generally called "IDM" but the article uses the long-form title due to style guidelines and because the short form is ambiguous in the general encyclopedia. But the category, as long as it contains the name musicians, doesn't need to match it because IDM only has one meaning in music, at least on Wikipedia. So it seems unnecessary to try to awkwardly change the category name to match the article name. The article itself does not use the term Intelligent Dance Musicians, does it? —mjb (talk) 23:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename to per Grutness or to . We avoid abbreviations in category names, and "intelligent dance musicians" is indeed worded ambiguously. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with Good Ol’factory. Debresser (talk) 14:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Brazilian jazz (genre) and Cuban jazz (genre)
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. I totally misunderstood the categories. That's what I get for being human. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  21:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:


 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) musicians to Category:Brazilian jazz musicians
 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) guitarists to Category:Brazilian jazz guitarists
 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) pianists to Category:Brazilian jazz pianists
 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) singers to Category:Brazilian jazz singers
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) musicians to Category:Cuban jazz musicians
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) percussionists to Category:Cuban jazz percussionists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) pianists to Category:Cuban jazz pianists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) trumpeters to Category:Cuban jazz trumpeters
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) composers to Category:Cuban jazz composers


 * Propose renaming:


 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) flautists to Category:Brazilian jazz flautists
 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) harmonica players to Category:Brazilian jazz harmonica players
 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) percussionists to Category:Brazilian jazz percussionists
 * Category:Brazilian jazz (genre) saxophonists to Category:Brazilian jazz saxophonists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) clarinetists to Category:Cuban jazz clarinetists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) double-bassists to Category:Cuban jazz double-bassists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) drummers to Category:Cuban jazz drummers
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) guitarists to Category:Cuban jazz guitarists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) saxophonists to Category:Cuban jazz saxophonists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) singers to Category:Cuban jazz singers
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) trombonists to Category:Cuban jazz trombonists
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) ensembles to Category:Cuban jazz ensembles
 * Category:Cuban jazz (genre) bandleaders to Category:Cuban jazz bandleaders
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge the first group as obvious duplicates. Renaming the second group to remove unnecessary disambiguation from categories. The parent article and category, jazz and, don't contain it, so neither should its subcategories. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  06:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment – these are not necessarily duplicates, as Category:Cuban jazz (genre) musicians is for players of Cuban jazz, a genre, who may or may not be Cuban (eg Dizzy Gillespie is not Cuban). A rename might be a good idea. (Brazilian jazz is less clear.) Occuli (talk) 12:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep/Don't merge the Cuban jazz categories; Undecided on Brazilian jazz categories. The Cuban jazz categories were disambiguated as such because of consensus at this CFD to distinguish between players of the genre of Cuban jazz and jazz musicians from Cuba. The same argument would apply if—and I'm no expert on jazz—"Brazilian jazz" is indeed a recognized genre. I note that currently, there is no Brazilian jazz (genre) article and that Brazilian jazz is a dab page (one entry of which, strangely, takes one to Category:Brazilian jazz). — Bellhalla (talk) 15:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The Brazilian name also arose from an earlier cfd. Occuli (talk) 15:50, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and do not merge, since the "(genre)" neatly disambiguates between genre and nationality. Charlie Byrd, for example, is a "Brazilian jazz" guitarist, not a Brazilian "jazz guitarist". BencherliteTalk 16:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep to distinguish between performers of Brazilian / Cuban jazz and performers of jazz from Brazil or Cuba. Alansohn (talk) 17:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep to maintain recent CFD namings and to avoid dilution of nationality and genre: Gillespie in one direction, Slim Gaillard, Byrd, Ivo Perelman, etc. in the other. AllyD (talk) 18:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Unknown Intensity
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  01:52, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Unknown Intensity to Category:Tropical cyclones of unknown intensity
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename and move to talk page. Name needs to be clarified. I also suggest that it become an administrative category and be moved to the talk page of the article, similar to how and other similar "unknown" categories are treated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Support Renaming but i would oppose it becoming an admistrative category as the WPTC are now categorising their articles by RSMC intensity and there are some Cyclones where there is not an RSMC intensity due to their being no best track available.Jason Rees (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Rename to more clearly describe the category's contents. Alansohn (talk) 13:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Obvious rename. Otherwise one could mistake this category for Category:Sexual encounters of unknown intensity, just to give an example of what springs to mind. Debresser (talk) 13:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I perceive that there is some interesting springing going on in your mind. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Old School hip hop artists
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete.  --  X damr  talk 19:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * old school hip hop artists


 * Nominator's rationale: Equivalent to this discussion, though this category is much older. There's no clear inclusion criteria for this category. The description reads: "Rap/Hip-hop Artists who were popular during the Old school hip hop time period about 1979-1984." Popular to what extent? What if they weren't popular, would they not be considered old school? To recycle concerns brought in the last discussion, would rappers who continued their career past the old school hip hop era be exempt from this category? What about those who make old school hip hop past that era, would they not fall into this inclusion criteria either? Unclear, no definitive inclusion criteria, delete. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  06:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep to correspond to a defining characteristic for navigation purposes and match the parent article. Alansohn (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - should both this and the article be at "Old-school hip hop"? Otherwise its about old hip hop played at school. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom's arguments and the previous discussion. Seems like the same subjectivity and lack of definition problems exist here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Old School hip hop is inarguably a subgenre of hiphop because it has recognizable characteristics.  An early time period (circa 1979-1984) is also a part of the criteria.Cosprings (talk) 00:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


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Alt-country
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:


 * Category:Alt-country musicians to Category:Alternative country musicians
 * Category:Alt-country musicians by nationality to Category:Alternative country musicians by nationality
 * Category:American alt-country musicians to Category:American alternative country musicians
 * Category:American alt-country musicians by instrument to Category:American alternative country musicians by instrument
 * Category:American alt-country singers to Category:American alternative country singers
 * Category:Australian alt-country singers to Category:Australian alternative country singers
 * Category:English alt-country singers to Category:English alternative country singers
 * Category:Swedish alt-country singers to Category:Swedish alternative country singers
 * Nominator's rationale: To clarify and match parent article, alternative country. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  06:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * rename per nom. Seems like a standard abbreviation expansion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename all per Good Ol’factory. Debresser (talk) 13:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Should the proposed destination Category:Alternative country musicians by instrument actually be Category:American alternative country musicians by instrument? It is the only item that does not mirror the existing form.- choster 22:48, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, I've corrected that. Thanks for pointing out my error. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  22:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:The Mester's Animation
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  01:52, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * the mester's animation


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only entries are Category:Movies made by The Mester's Animation and Category:Video Games made by The Mester's Animation (cf below) as well as some userspace pages. ... disco spinster   talk  02:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete People create articles and as we see even categories before there is what to write about. Debresser (talk) 13:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Movies made by The Mester's Animation
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * movies made by the mester's animation


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only entry is Category:Space Story Trilogy (cf below). ... disco spinster   talk  02:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Not part of a usefull tree either. Debresser (talk) 13:54, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Space Story Trilogy
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:35, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * space story trilogy


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Four entries that are all in userspace. ... disco spinster   talk  02:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Those three "articles" consist of 1 sentence each. :) Debresser (talk) 13:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Video Games made by The Mester's Animation
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * video games made by the mester's animation


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. There's only one article and it's in userspace. ... disco spinster   talk  02:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. That one "article" consists of 1 sentence. :) Debresser (talk) 13:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


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Category:Unicorporated Communities in the U.S.
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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per G6, empty, obvious typo, etc. BencherliteTalk 16:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * unicorporated communities in the u.s.


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. The category was being used to contain all unincorporated communities in the United States, but we already have state-specific categories for that. It's also misspelled and a duplicate of . TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 01:15, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as the nominated category serves no purpose. Alansohn (talk) 01:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy merge into Category:Unincorporated communities in the United States — Bellhalla (talk) 15:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


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