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Category:Roman Catholic Church architects

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Architects of Roman Catholic churches. Ruslik_ Zero 18:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic Church architects to Category:Ecclesiastical architects
 * Nominator's rationale: Unduly specific (and the parent cats are rather bizarre). Occuli (talk) 23:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support merge If nothing else, the name of the category is ambiguous. Mangoe (talk) 16:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename to "Architects of Roman Catholic churches"; while the category name is problematic, it has nearly thirty members, so it's not as if it's small enough never to be populated. I can't see why you find the parent categories rather bizarre.  Nyttend (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Does an 'Architect of a Roman Catholic church' have to be Roman Catholic, and is an architect an artist? (In GB-Eng I would say an architect is not an artist.) Occuli (talk) 01:01, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * REanme to Category:Architects of Roman Catholic churches. Given the sectarian nature of religion, it is unlikely that the same architect would be asked to design (for example) a Baptist church, so that the changes of overlap between different denominational subcategories is probably not great.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There is perhaps more overlap than one might think, especially in the Gothic revival era. Mangoe (talk) 03:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename per Peterkingiron. It'll remove the ambiguity.  And if there is overlap, the articles can also be in "Architects of whatever else churches/mosques/synagogues" --Kbdank71 18:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Art Deco buildings in Connecticut

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, noting that the category is empty. —  ξ xplicit  18:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * art deco buildings in connecticut


 * Nominator's rationale: Keep and repopulate. Was listed for a speedy delete as empty. The contents here were apparently moved to Category:Art Deco architecture in Connecticut a rename that was refused in Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_June_21 from June. This is not the only category affected. Category:Art Deco architecture in the United States by state is one tree where you can see the change happening. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * To clean this up, if the contents here are restored, I think we should let the bot speedy move all of the new created categories back to the old names with no additional nominations needed to fix an out of process against consensus move. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, most of the state categories in Category:Art Deco architecture in the United States by state are new creations, and were not created by manual moves. - Eureka Lott 20:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Clearly TheaterWorks (Hartford) and others where manually moved from the existing categories to new ones. This appears to have happened after the discussion listed above. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, there's no good reason for the Art Deco categories to be "buildings" while virtually all the other styles of architecture have their categories at "architecture". Nyttend (talk) 14:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and repopulate; and change the name back to 'Buildings' per Category:Art Deco buildings (a 'good reason' why it should be 'buildings'), and per everything in Category:Art Deco architecture by country (which should also be 'buildings'). Occuli (talk) 01:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Nyttend. The buildings categories are outliers among the other subcategories of Category:Architectural styles. - Eureka Lott 19:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Harmony Records albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 02:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * harmony records albums


 * Nominator's rationale: No parent article; doesn't appear to be the same label as Harmony Records; all content currently at AFD. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Mad Men (TV series) --> Category:Mad Men episodes

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 August 27. —  ξ xplicit  21:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * mad men (tv series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Rename - per the lead article Mad Men the disambiguation is unnecessary and the rename reflects the category's contents. Otto4711 (talk) 22:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Children of Elijah Muhammad

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —  ξ xplicit  21:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * children of elijah muhammad


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. We don't generally categorize people for being the children of their parents. Some of these may be notable only for being Nation of Islam leaders, in which case they could be categorized in Category:Members of the Nation of Islam. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong keep There are multiple articles. There are multiple articles to substantiate a category. Each individual is notable by himself. (These children come from different mothers.) Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also Not all are members of the Nation of Islam. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Including, most importantly, the person/son he chose to lead the movement after he died. The person Warith Deen Mohammed. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - as with the wives of the Beatles or the husbands of Elizabeth Taylor, the children of Elijah Muhammad constitute a small category with no likelihood of expansion. In fact after reviewing a couple of the articles I feel if these were taken to AFD the category would shrink. That they come from different mothers is not relevant. All of his children should be listed in his article with proper text linkages. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment He has over two dozen children... The fact that many are notable is enough for a category. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Brigham Young had like 57 children—and quite a few of them became notable too, but we just don't categorize people by who their parents are, whether the parent was a religiously notable person or not. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Based on the sourcing you're offering in these articles I see little in the way of notability that isn't connecting to their fathers. On a side note, I'd like to suggest that should you plan on creating a similar article series in the future that you either develop them one at a time or develop them in userspace? Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 23:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Change to Delete. Upon review, this category is not necessary. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 18:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Given that the category creator supports deletion, suggest this be speedy deleted per CSD:G7. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Four-String Banjo Hall of Fame Inductee

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —  ξ xplicit  21:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * four-string banjo hall of fame inductee


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Another garden variety hall of fame inductee category. These categories for awards and halls of fame are usually listified when nominated. A list already exists at Four-String Banjo Hall of Fame Members. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if this is in bad form. I'm a newbie and still learning the proper ways. I am trying to learn how to code things properly as well as well as how they should categorized or not. Scalhotrod (talk) 06:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Soyfoods

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Courcelles 02:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Soyfoods to Category:Soy products
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Recently created duplicate category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. The parent cat isn't too bloated to accommodate the articles in this category. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Mustard Aficionados

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 01:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * mustard aficionados


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. We don't categorize people for being "aficionados" or "hobbyists" of anything. The article about the museum should be moved to (in fact, it's already there), but I don't see any need to keep Dave Dameshek within the mustard tree, since the only mention it gets in his article is that he has been awarded a "Doctor of Mustard". Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support How many notably interested in mustard people are there anyway? Mangoe (talk) 16:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete It has no notable significance. Silivrenion (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Also review/cleanup Dave Dameshek - an IP magnet. East of Borschov 05:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Music videos directed by Sherman Halsey

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 01:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * music videos directed by sherman halsey


 * Nominator's rationale: Parent article Sherman Halsey was deleted for failing WP:ANYBIO. This is akin to a precedent at Category talk:Albums by producer (further established at this CFD and this CFD, among others) that albums should not be categorized by producer if the producer doesn't have an article. I would think the same would apply for music video directors — if the director doesn't have an article, then the videos shouldn't be categorized by director. The number of videos directed is immaterial; Richard Landis produced at least 20 albums that I can think of, and his category was deleted. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. :| TelCo  NaSp  Ve :|  17:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Cedars-Sinai Medical Center

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 01:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * cedars-sinai medical center


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. OC small. Appears to be the only hospital in California with a category so there is no series. Has article on the hospital and two people. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Critical Access Hospitals in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 01:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * critical access hospitals in the united states


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Apparently a CAH, is a hospital classified by medicare to receive extra payments to keep it from closing. Not sure if this is defining enough for a category.  A list would probably be better.  I'll note that a quick search shows that in 2009, there were over 1,300 hospitals with this designation.  From scanning the articles, the hospitals seem to be small at least one having only 6 beds.  Vegaswikian (talk) 19:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Dalit Monuments
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename, with no consensus reached towards deletion, and no prejudice against a following renomination towards deletion. Courcelles 01:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Dalit Monuments to Category:Dalit monuments
 * Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename or alternately delete as too obscure. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Dalit for now. However, I'm also okay if an expert in South Asian society can populate it as well.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong keep this category, I'm not against above proposed renaming. The improtance of this category can be see in the history and social revolution of India. Hope this category will be updated with more articles which yet has to be created--Ranjithsutari (talk) 08:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Darius Danesh songs
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 01:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Darius Danesh songs to Category:Darius Campbell songs
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Darius Danesh/Darius Campbell —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Er - existing category and suggested "rename" are the same. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 01:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Darius Danesh albums
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 01:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Darius Danesh albums to Category:Darius Campbell albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Darius Danesh/Darius Campbell —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:The Beatles songs sung by George Harrison
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 01:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * the beatles songs sung by george harrison


 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, redundant to sorting on List of The Beatles songs. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Certain over-categorization. Democraticmacguitarist (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. God help us if we start categorizing all songs by the various people who sing them. Resolute 22:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Cities in Romania
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to . —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  21:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cities in Romania to Category:Municipiu in Romania
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename as proposed or to whatever the correct plural version is. Cities apparently don't exist in Rominia and this would match the name of the main article. When we did the top level rename, we said that at the country level we should be using the terminology that actually exists in the various countries.  After reading the article, it would appear that the correct parent for this may be Category:Towns in Romania.  But the article is not totally clear since it also calls these places cities.  So, I'm ready to be educated. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The plural is "municipii", but that's not an English word; English would be "municipalities". However, a looser but still accurate translation is "cities". Indeed the category was at Category:Municipalities of Romania until April, when it was moved to "cities" following this discussion. If you want it moved back to "municipalities", OK, though I don't really see the need, so long as we explain on the category page that "cities" refers to municipii. - Biruitorul Talk 23:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * keep as is to stop the proliferation of confusion. Hmains (talk) 03:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Move back to Category:Municipalities of Romania: Municipalities is the obvious anglicisation of municipiu or municipii. I think that the previous discussion (which only had one contribution apart from the nom was applying his own OR as to what a muncipality consists of.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I would not object to this option. I was just following the name of the main article so my thinking was to retain the local name.  If we want to go with the generally accepted English alternative that would be a reasonable option. Just as long as we do away with the inaccurate cites in the name. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Cities in Cluj County
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as modified. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  21:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cities in Cluj County to Category:Cities and towns in Cluj County Category:Localities in Cluj County
 * Nominator's rationale: Huedin is a town, not a city, so this should be renamed to encompass both categories of localities. Biruitorul Talk 15:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Create Category:Towns in Cluj County no discussion needed. We are trying to remove all of the city and town categories. City and town categories exist at the country level. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please explain yourself a bit more clearly? Cluj County has five cities (Cluj-Napoca, Câmpia Turzii, Dej, Gherla and Turda) and one town (Huedin). Rather than having them all in the grab-bag Category:Cluj County, why not have them in a Category:Cities and towns in Cluj County, as well as in Category:Cities in Romania (the first 5) and Category:Towns in Romania (the last)? - Biruitorul Talk 23:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't use categories like Category:Cities and towns in Cluj County since categories should be for a single type of settlement and not different types. The exceptions are where local usage is a term that covers both which is apparently not the case here.  I'll also add that I believe Category:Cities in Cluj County could be deleted outright if there are so few articles for it.  In looking at the other categories quickly, this appears to be the only county level category in Romania.  Don't know if this level of detail is a needed or not. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a Category:Localities in Dolj County, with cities and towns there and communes as a subcategory. In the last couple of days I've started Category:Cities and towns in Vaslui County and Category:Cities and towns in Suceava County but I guess I'll stop for now until we've found a satisfactory solution.
 * Perhaps we don't need this level of detail. Should we, in that case, delete Category:Cities in Cluj County, leaving the cities and town at Category:Localities in Cluj County, adopting a similar model for the other counties? - Biruitorul Talk 13:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless there are going to be a significant number of cities and towns in every county, it might be best to not create these categories. Are these cities, towns, villages and communes known locally as localities?  If yes, then having a by county localities category that rolls up to Category:Populated places in Romania would be the best way to go.  Articles would also be listed in the cities, towns, villages and communes category. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "Significant" is a matter of perception, but probably varies from 16 (Suceava County) to 4 (Brăila County). Cities, towns and communes are all localities. (We tend not to have standalone articles on Romanian villages, since they don't have separate administrative powers.) And OK, I'll see how I work this - I'll probably do a "localities in X County" for every one of them, when I get a chance. - Biruitorul Talk 22:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Nomination modified. Lets see if there are any objections. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support modified nomination. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as well. - Biruitorul Talk 14:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Light sockets
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, noting that the category is empty. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  18:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * light sockets


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Redundant. A light socket is the part of a light fixture that accepts a lamp (i.e. light bulb), and sometimes contains the light switch. It is not a category of things (unless we were going to write about specific makes/models of light sockets, but don't you think that that would be unnotable? :-), but rather something that only needs mention in it's own article. This category was created by User:Radiojon, who added the following articles to this category, often removing the old categories in the process (however, he created a couple of these articles, which are marked with a ):


 * Light socket
 * Wedge base
 * Bi-pin connector
 * Bayonet mount
 * Automotive lamp types
 * Edison screw


 * Light socket was the "main" article, but is the only article with anything relevant to a 'light socket'. All the other articles deal more with bulb/lamp bases (i.e. the connector on the bulb itself) than light sockets. It almost appears that User:Radiojon believes that 'light socket' is synonymous with 'bulb/lamp base'. All of these articles were formerly part of this category, but I removed the category from those articles, and (except on Automotive lamp types) replaced it with Category:Lighting, Category:Electrical connectors, and Category:Mechanical standards (except on Light socket). (remember that I did all this before coming here and reading that I'm not supposed to remove these articles from the category yet! :-) All three replacement categories were the original categories for Edison screw, but they seemed to be fitting replacements. It turns out that even Light socket dealt mostly with bulb bases originally! (untill I (partially) fixed that by adding relevant info). So with this category being redundant, I am suggesting that it be deleted. (Sorry it this seems to be a mouthful, but I'm just trying to explain my reasons fully. ;-). [|Retro00064|&#9742;talk|&#x270D;contribs|] 06:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge what is appropriate to Category:Electrical power connectors. Any joint has a male and a female part. There's a category on female part, but the content articles cover both part and actually focus on the male parts (bulbs). No puns here. Don't focus too much on the one-sided coverage in the articles (engineering articles always lag behind video games...). We have a Category:Electrical connectors where each entry usually describes a specific standard with both male and female components. There are subsets for Category:Electrical signal connectors and Category:Electrical power connectors. For practically all practical purposes, a bulb-to-socket connector is a power connector and belongs to the latter category. East of Borschov 10:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: That's a great idea. [|Retro00064|&#9742;talk|&#x270D;contribs|] 23:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. The category is empty so there is nothing to merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Online social networking
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 01:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Online social networking to Category:Social network services
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article, social network service. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support: Per nominator's rationale. [|Retro00064|&#9742;talk|&#x270D;contribs|] 05:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Allis-Chalmers
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 01:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Allis-Chalmers to Category:Allis-Chalmers Manufacturing Company
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Rename to match main article. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * rename per nom to match main article which appears to be correctly named Hmains (talk) 16:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


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