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Category:Biographies (books) about writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename as proposed. Ruslik_ Zero 17:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Biographies (books) about writers to Category:Biographies about writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename - we apparently only disambiguate Category:Biographies (books), the upper-level category, and not other categories that group written biographies. The direct parent Category:Biographies by subject is not disambiguated and neither are the nominated category's siblings. In the alternative Category:Biographies of writers may be preferred although there is diversity among the sibling categories. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 21:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Prefer Category:Biographies of writers. I do not see why this should not include multiple biographies about a group of authors.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Joaquin008  ( talk ) 16:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Category:Biographies about writers cannot be confused as a category for WP articles ("biographies") of writers. Category:Biographies of writers can be confused in this way. (I don't understand Peter's point about how changing "about" to "of" allows the category to include biographies about multiple biographies about a group of authors. There's no reason Category:Biographies about writers cannot include multiple biographies about a group of authors.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Male porn directors

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge  as nominated, rename  to . —  ξ xplicit  21:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Male porn directors to Category:Pornographic film directors and Category:Male film directors
 * Propose merging Category:Female porn directors to Category:Pornographic film directors and Category:Female film directors
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge - I'm not seeing per WP:CATGRS that there's in general so great a difference between how women direct pornography and how men direct it. There are some productions that supposedly are designed to appeal more specifically to women but there's nothing that says that only women can direct pornography with this design. If kept, then rename per whatever the result of the discussion below. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, this is definitely one profession where the practitioner's sex significantly relates to the job. Regardless of whether the actual creative output differs objectively (it arguably does), the perception is that the director's sex matters.  The traditional criticism of pornographic images of women being controlled and created by men for men's consumption is certainly relevant to why the director's sex is significant.  And we generally note when women have moved into and up in what were historically male-dominated professions and industries.  So it's worth noting when women are the ones behind the camera calling the shots.  And many sources have noted this.  A quick search found: a book about women porn creators titled "Naked Ambition: Women Who Are Changing Pornography", a law review article titled "Porn in Their Words: Female Leaders in the Adult Entertainment Industry Address Free Speech, Censorship, Feminism, Culture and the Mainstreaming of Adult Content", and a psychology study comparing subjects' different reaction to "three X-rated videos intended for men and three X-rated videos designed by and for women".  I'm positive there are many, many others.  postdlf (talk) 06:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep the women's one per Postdlf, but rename it to Category:Female directors of pornographic films per my opinion in the discussion below. Merge the male one per nom, since porn directors seem to be overwhelmingly male. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Female porn directors, but rename it per Good Olfactory's suggestion. Delete Category:Male porn directors - it's much less significant, as this is a traditionally male-dominated profession. It's the same reason we have Category:Directors of gay porn (although that's about to be renamed) but shouldn't have Category:Directors of heterosexual porn. Robofish (talk) 09:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - nomination updated solely to reflect the result of the below debate. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 21:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Porn directors

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Porn directors Category:Pornographic film directors, Category:Porn directors by nationality to Category:Pornographic film directors by nationality, Category:American porn directors to Category:American pornographic film directors, all other nationality categories in the manner similar to Americans and, finally, Category:Directors of gay porn to Category:Directors of gay pornographic films. Ruslik_ Zero 17:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Porn directors by nationality to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:American porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:British porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Czech porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Dutch porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:French porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:German porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Hungarian porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Romanian porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Swedish porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Taiwanese porn directors to Category:Discuss
 * Propose renaming Category:Directors of gay porn to Category:Discuss


 * Nominator's rationale: Rename - other pornography trees use either "pornography" or "pornographic film" rather than the shortened slangy "porn". So these can become either Category:Pornography directors or Category:Pornographic film directors with additional modifiers as needed. For some reason that I don't begin to understand we have Category:People appearing in gay pornography instead of the sensible Category:Gay pornographic film actors. So I suppose that makes the choices for Category:Directors of gay porn either Category Gay pornography directors or Category:Gay pornographic film directors or Category:Directors of gay pornography or Category:Directors of gay pornographic films. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: For what it's worth, the reason it's called Category:People appearing in gay pornography is that "Gay pornographic film actors" is ambiguous as to whether it means "actors who appear in gay porn films" or "actors who are gay and appear in porn films" (and if you don't understand why that distinction matters, read gay-for-pay.) Category:Gay pornographic film directors would be subject to the same ambiguity, so it would have to be Category:Directors of gay pornography or Category:Directors of gay pornographic films. Though I do otherwise support the principle that we should be using "pornography" rather than "porn". Bearcat (talk) 05:51, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename to expand "porn", at a minimum. I suppose I would prefer using "FOOian pornographic film directors", but that's only because the actors tree uses "FOOian pornographic film actors", so I suppose it makes sense for them to match format. I could go with the other option, though. To avoid the ambiguity Bearcat refers to, the I guess I would prefer Category:Directors of gay pornographic films for the last category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per Good Olfactory above. For reasons of clarity, Category:Directors of pornographic films is probably the best choice here (and also correlates with Category:Pornographic films). The gay one has to be Category:Directors of gay pornographic films, as explained by Bearcat. Robofish (talk) 09:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Pornographic films by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 11:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * pornographic films by country


 * italian pornographic films


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - undeveloped and IMHO unnecessary category tree with one sub-cat which itself contains only one article. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:27, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete for now; doesn't seem to be a tree that's going anywhere for the time being. Allow re-creation if it's a broad development of the category tree to include multiple countries. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate; I don't see anything wrong with this categorisation, it's just underused. It's not significantly different from Category:Documentary films by country, is it? Robofish (talk) 09:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Porn films referring to well-known mainstream movies

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —  ξ xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * porn films referring to well-known mainstream movies


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - Overcategorization by shared naming feature. Many porn titles dating back to Boys in the Sand parody the titles of other films so there's nothing particularly defining about this. May require original research by editors to decide that a particular film is or isn't similar enough to a mainstream film to be included. If kept it needs to be renamed as current name is atrocious. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:18, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; WP:OCAT by trivial and non-defining shared naming characteristic. Bearcat (talk) 05:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Space Shuttle wake-up songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy deleted G7 per author request. Non-admin closure. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 20:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * space shuttle wake-up songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Far too trivial and each entry would require a supporting reference.  howcheng  {chat} 17:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep A tradition that goes back to the Gemini program. Songs are chosen by family or colleges and have personal meanings or are significant to the mission.  Doesn't seem trivial to me at all.  Artists consider it an honor to be selected.  Should probably be renamed to "Space Shuttle wake-up calls" or "NASA wake-up calls" --RadioFan (talk) 19:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - not defining of the songs. Listify if desired. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - actually they are usually defining of the song. As I mentioned above, the songs are selected because of special meaning to individual astronauts, or the mission itself.  "Defying Gravity" from the musical "Wicked" has been used leading up to spacewalks.  The most often played songs are those of service academies and other universities for astronauts that graduated from there.  Apollo astronauts and those on the ground were known to psyche themselves up with Sousa marches.  The Apollo 17 crew was reasured with "We've Only Just Begun".  Some astronauts pick sentimental favorites like "Danny Boy", the only songs they can think to match what they describe as the beauty of space.  These songs being selected for this use and the stories behind their selection are fundamentally defining of the song in many cases.  There is a good intro to this [on the NASA history site--[[User:RadioFan|RadioFan]] (talk) 00:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and listify if desired, per WP:OC. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and listify if desired. RadioFan is using a very personal interpretation of defining. Occuli (talk) 00:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and listify if desired. It may be an "interesting to some people who aren't me" bit of trivia about the songs in question, but it isn't a defining characteristic of the songs. A properly referenced list, fine. But not a category. Bearcat (talk) 06:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Deleted: RadioFan applied a G7 deletion tag to the category. Nyttend (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Muskingum College alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Muskingum College alumni to Category:Muskingum University alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: The institution was renamed in 2009. - Eureka Lott 16:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename per Category:Muskingum University and Muskingum University. Occuli (talk) 16:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:British West India officers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to . —  ξ xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * british west india officers


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Duplicate and poorly named category. Refers to officers of the West India Regiment, who are already covered by Category:West India Regiment officers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:West India Regiment officers. Beagel (talk) 18:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:World Supersport riders

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:World Supersport riders to Category:Supersport World Championship riders
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. For consistency with the main article Supersport World Championship. DH85868993 (talk) 12:27, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. -- Chris Ssk talk 18:29, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - participating in a particular race is not a defining characteristic of the racers. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment this category has recently survived a deletion proposal originated by this editor. And the Supersport World Championship is not a race, it's a championship comprised of multiple races each year. DH85868993 (talk) 20:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Leptochilus

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Leptochilus to Category:Polypodiaceae
 * Nominator's rationale: There is little point in this category as long as there are only two articles. We have some other similarly small subcategories in Category:Polypodiaceae that should perhaps also go, but some other genera in the family don't have their own category. If this is not merged, it should be renamed to Category:Leptochilus (fern) for consistency with the main article. Ucucha 12:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, not only are there a lot of these "only one or two articles" categories at the level of genera scattered throughout the whole taxonomy tree, having been working mainly on the uncategorized articles list of late I've noticed a truly irritating assumption among some people that all articles about species should be diffused down to that level of categorization even if the category in question doesn't actually exist. I've found pages that have been sitting for years with no categories at all besides a redlink with the name of their genus in it. Upmerge per nom and break out the flamethrower on people who refuse to learn, please. Bearcat (talk) 05:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to higher taxa as small cat.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Universities and Engineering colleges in Telangana
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Universities and Engineering colleges in Telangana to Category:Universities and colleges in Telangana
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match all other category:Universities and colleges subcategories, I'd remove "Engineering".--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:13, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support as logical and inclusive Hugo999 (talk) 11:38, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and Hugo999. Beagel (talk) 09:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Joaquin008  ( talk ) 16:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Noise music
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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 10:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Noise music to Category:Noise (music)
 * Nominator's rationale: per noise (music) and noise music —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment The main article is currently at Noise (music) so the rename would be consistent with that. However the article has previously been renamed from "Noise music" and there is (admittedly inactive) discussion on the talk page about changing it back: Talk:Noise_(music). Personally I think of "Noise music" as a genre (supported by The Wire article mentioned in the Talk discussion) but also note the point about inclusiveness/borders. Maybe it would be better to resume and take the article naming discussion to conclusion prior to a Category name decision? AllyD (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename the parent article to match it's cousins rock music, pop music, hip hop music, etc. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename the parent article, per User:Explicit. - jc37 00:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Colleges and Universities on Long Island
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Colleges and Universities on Long Island to Category:Universities and colleges on Long Island
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match all other subcategories of Category:Universities and colleges--Mike Selinker (talk) 05:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Beagel (talk) 18:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This could probably go to WP:CFDS, actually. But yeah, rename per nom and naming convention. Bearcat (talk) 05:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Along with Category:Universities and colleges in the Research Triangle, North Carolina, this appears to be the only category for U.S. universities and colleges by geography that is not a state, city, county, or metro area. There do seem to be enough articles on New York universities and colleges, but would a division by county (as is done for California) or city (Massachusetts) be more appropriate? Ucucha 07:51, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The "Research Triangle" category seems eminently Keep-worthy, since that's a major cross-pollinating area of research (and also intense sports rivalry). On the other hand, the "Long Island" category is just a geographic reference, and the case for that is not as strong.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename and cleanup. I would list institutions primarily according to their legal jurisdictions, i.e. states and municipalities, but many may well wish to browse education by region. I favor the approach taken by the similar Category:Universities and colleges in the San Francisco Bay Area and Category:Boarding schools in New England as a good compromise; otherwise, we get a lot of superfluous geographic tags added to institutions.- choster (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Terrorist incidents in 2008 in India
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Terrorist incidents in 2008 in India to Category:Terrorist incidents in India in 2008
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename, because "Terrorist incidents in India in 2008" is the standard order ie country then year for all countries with a Terrorism by Year category (Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, Somalia), see Category:Terrorist incidents in 2010. NB: The United States seems to have enough “incidents” to have its own category by Year too. Hugo999 (talk) 02:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per the nomination. (I was taught in high school that the proper order in English is "place, then time", not the other way around.) Ucucha 07:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename to match parent and sister cats.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per Lenticel. Joaquin008  ( talk ) 16:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Populated places in Davachi Rayon
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Populated places in Davachi Rayon to Category:Populated places in Shabran Rayon
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename, because Davachi Rayon has been renamed to Shabran Rayon. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename in accordance with the main article. Ucucha 07:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


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