Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 9



Category:Restaurants in Louisville

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (as still empty at time of close). Presumably everything's been moved to . Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * restaurants in louisville


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. duplicate of Restaurants in Louisville, Kentucky Steve03Mills (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Restaurants in Louisville, Kentucky as obvious duplicate. (Merger better than deletion in case it is populated when the discussion is closed). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:12, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as empty category with obvious existing category as alternative. Alansohn (talk) 00:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete, depending on whether thing thing is populated when this is closed. We obviously don't need two of them. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree with Bradjamesbrown. Debresser (talk) 18:36, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


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Some sportspeople by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: as nominated, per consensus. NW ( Talk ) 01:01, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting
 * alpine skiers by century


 * 20th-century alpine skiers


 * volleyball players by century


 * 20th-century beach volleyball players


 * 20th-century male beach volleyball players


 * 20th-century male volleyball players


 * 20th-century volleyball players


 * 21st-century male beach volleyball players


 * 21st-century male volleyball players


 * 21st-century volleyball players


 * beach volleyball players by century


 * female volleyball players by century


 * male beach volleyball players by century


 * male volleyball players by century


 * racecar drivers by century


 * 20th-century racecar drivers


 * 21st-century racecar drivers


 * sports commentators by century


 * 20th-century sports commentators


 * 21st-century sports commentators

Whatever the merits of by-century category categorisation in other areas where there are many notable people over many centuries (such as sculpture), it seems rather pointless for these topics which overwhelmingly relate to the 20th and 21st centuries. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging or renaming
 * Category:20th-century female alpine skiers to Category:Female alpine skiers
 * Category:21st-century female volleyball players to Category:female volleyball players
 * Nominator's rationale: This a group nomination in progress of three sets of sub-categories of, following on from the nominations of other similar categories. All of the parent categories are subdivided in other ways, and creating categories-by-century will (if populated) lead to huge diffuse categories.  If those large categories are sub-divided, the result will be lots of multiple-intersection sub-categories, creating lots of category-clutter on articles, and maintenance headaches.


 * See also a previous discussion on the racecar categories: Categories for discussion/Log/2009 October 28. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Sports has been notified, and so has WikiProject Ski (here). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Why not nominate the supracats Category:Sportspeople by century, Category:20th-century sportspeople etc.?  Again, deleting without merging only disrupts Category:20th-century people by occupation, Category:People by occupation and century etc.  Mayumashu (talk) 21:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – I agree with the nom but also with Mayumashu's concerns about the need to upmerge to something. Is Category:Sportspeople by century OK? If not, is Category:People by century OK? (Cliff Drysdale is a good example of someone already in too many 'by century' categories (without adding more for tennis players).) Occuli (talk) 21:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do people need to be in any of the century categories? Unless massively sub-divided, they will be far too big to be any use for navigation. Their only conceivable use  is for a tool like catscan to generate category intersections on the fly. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:20, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep All to allow for navigation across common defining characteristics. Why do we need categories at all? Let's just dump the entire system and we can avoid all of these "Why do we need..." arguments. Alansohn (talk) 00:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Alansohn, you say "defining characteristics" in response to just about every proposal to delete a category. But sport commentators have only been existence for about 70 years, so in what way does splitting them in a by-century category define them even further?  And how does it help navigation?
 * There doesn't have to be a simple choice between "dump the entire system" and "keep everything". Most CFD discussions are about finding which categories help navigation and which don't. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Categories would be way to huge to be useful unless hugely subdivided, and to subdivide them would make them far to unuseful as well. -DJSasso (talk) 23:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep these and alll similar categries. a reasonable topic for browsing, and a reasonable way to browse.  If they need dividing, they can be divided, but there is nothing intrinsically wrong about large categories. Upmerging to sportspeople by century or people by century  is among the few things that can be guaranteed to make such a  problem worse. Anyone wanting to delete because of potential size and diffuseness and do that seems to be contradicting themselves.     DGG ( talk ) 00:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All 4 occupations here are overwhelmingly 20th and 21st-century occupations. How does dividing them in two help anyone?    There may be a merit in by-century categorisation for occupations which span five or more centuries, but none of the keep !voters here has shown how any useful purpose is served by applying it here. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm starting to think that division of people by century is a tad arbitrary when it comes to things like this. I'm not clear with what navigational purpose such a scheme would serve. I could understand if they were holding subcategories for decades or years, but obviously they can't. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete – as BHG says there is perhaps some point in subdividing categories which span millennia into centuries (eg Archbishops of Canterbury) but not such as these. (These are not defining characteristics - I've never heard of say Nigel Mansell being described as a '20th-century racing driver' - it's a combination of a defining characteristic ('racing driver') and a factoid.) Occuli (talk) 21:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I've been thinking about these "by-century" categories for a few days now, and while on occasion it might make sense- as a way to divide, for example, Roman Catholic Bishops (something that's been around for many, many centuries), these subjects only have been seriously around for the 20th and 21st centuries CE, making the system unnecessary in these cases. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge as nominated (i.e., per BrownHairedGirl), as evaluated by the following criterion: does the intersection reflect a distinct and significant subject of academic or popular interest? Categories such as Category:5th-century historians (5th-century history), Category:8th-century philosophers (8th-century philosophy), and Category:19th-century painters (19th-century art) all pass that threshold; Category:21st-century volleyball players (21st-century volleyball) does not. –Black Falcon (talk) 05:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Anything Muppet patterns

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete per nominator. In any case, the category is now empty. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * anything muppet patterns


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. All of this category's entries are part of a group AfD here. I have listed the category itself in the group AfD as well.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 17:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete if the AfD results in "delete"s. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Provisional Delete If AfD wipes out the articles, then this goes 4 days later as a C1 speedy. When you nominate every article in a category for deletion, it is not necessary to nominate the category here; if the articles go, the cat goes almost automatically.  If the articles stay, then two discussions have to be closed instead of one.  That AfD looks one-sided, so this discussion is likely irrelevant.  Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


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Ice hockey players by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete or merge as nominated. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 20:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting:
 * ice hockey players by century


 * male ice hockey players


 * female ice hockey players by century


 * ice hockey defencemen by century


 * ice hockey forwards by century


 * male ice hockey defencemen by century


 * male ice hockey forwards by century


 * male ice hockey players by century


 * 20th-century ice hockey players


 * 21st-century ice hockey players


 * 20th-century male ice hockey players


 * 21st-century male ice hockey players


 * Propose merging:
 * Category:20th-century female ice hockey players to Category:Female ice hockey players
 * Category:20th-century ice hockey defencemen to Category:Ice hockey defencemen
 * Category:20th-century ice hockey forwards to Category:Ice hockey forwards
 * Category:20th-century male ice hockey defencemen to Category:Ice hockey defencemen
 * Category:20th-century male ice hockey forwards to Category:Ice hockey forwards
 * Category:21st-century female ice hockey goaltenders to Category:Female ice hockey goaltenders
 * Category:21st-century female ice hockey players to Category:Female ice hockey players
 * Category:21st-century ice hockey forwards to Category:Ice hockey forwards
 * Category:21st-century ice hockey goaltenders to Category:Ice hockey goaltenders
 * Category:21st-century male ice hockey defencemen to Category:Ice hockey defencemen
 * Category:21st-century male ice hockey forwards to Category:Ice hockey forwards

Whatever the merits of by-century-categories in other parts of the category tree, it's a bad idea with ice hockey, for a number of reasons:
 * Nominator's rationale: This nomination will remove both the ice-hockey-players-by-century-categories and the male-ice-hockey-player categories. There are still largely unpopulated categories which seem to be one the latest descendants of, with the added spice of a male-only category tree. Ice hockey has historically been predominantly a male game (though not as much as, for example, rugby), and although women's participation is growing, it remains predominantly a male sport. That means that there is a good case for creating Category:Female ice hockey players.  However, per WP:Cat/gender, a female category does not need to be balanced directly against a male category where the vast majority of people in the group are male.  All these male categories do is complicate the category tree, with no benefit to readers. In this case, these categories have not been heavily populated: so far as I can see, the male categories currently contain only 46 articles, a total which includes a significant number of duplicates.
 * ice hockey players are already categorised by team, which groups players who had some connection with each other
 * if fully populated, these categories will be huge; too huge to be useful for navigation
 * splitting them further either requires creating a huge collection of triple or quadruple intersections such "20th ice hockey forwards from Canada". That will be a maintenance nightmare
 * Even if split as above, many of the categories will still be too big to be useful. One solution is to split them by decades creating for example "1960s ice hockey forwards from Canada" ... but sportspeople's careers don't fit neatly into decades, so most players would end up in two or more by-decades categories, creating category clutter
 * I can't see any way of making these categories work with creating hundreds of quadruple or quintuple intersection sub-categories such as, so it seems best to delete them now before someone goes to a lot of work populating them. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Ice Hockey has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I was actually about to put these up yesterday and decided to go to bed first. She pretty much worded it exactly how I was going to. Pure overcategorization. -DJSasso (talk) 15:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to by sport and century - remove the by sex and by position aspect. A straight out delete of the 'by century' aspect of this tree should most definitely not be done without a nomination to do so for Category:Sportspeople by century and ultimately Category:People by occupation and century Mayumashu (talk) 16:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Both of those should probably be deleted as well, this is why you should propose them first before you create whole new massive category trees. -DJSasso (talk) 16:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I doubt very much these supracats can be gotten rid of. I tried to delete 20th and 21st-century people by nationality with the rationale that most people with WP bios are in these two centuries (just as most hockey players are) and couldn t.  Perhaps, though, the tree should end at Category:20th-century sportspeople and not Category:20th-century ice hockey players?  Mayumashu (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge all as suggested by nominator. As with BrownHairedGirl and DJSasso, I was rather concerned about the multiple intersections this category schema creates.  God help us on categorizing an article like Gordie Howe (to use the extreme example) if we were to have to split these trees into numerous intersections. Resolute 17:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and Merge per the nominator's suggestions. These categories are completely silly; quite aside from that the overwhelming number of ice hockey players played in the 20th century (the organized sport only having been created in the 1870s) and being overwhelmingly male, they're about as informative as Brunette female hockey players.   RGTraynor  09:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep these and alll similar categries. a reasonable topic for browsing, and a reasonable way to browse.  If they need dividing, they can be divided, but there is nothing intrinsically wrong about large categories. Upmerging to sportspeople by century or people by century  is among the few things that can be guaranteed to make such a  problem worse. Anyone wanting to delete because of potential size and diffuseness and do that seems to be contradicting themselves.  BHG, I suggest that before going further on thius that there be an attempt at a much more general discussion. This is somewhat far-reaching.     DGG ( talk ) 00:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please re-read the nomination. It is not a proposal to upmerge to sportspeople by century or people by century. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Holy triple and quadruple intersections. I'm starting to think that division of people by century is a tad arbitrary when it comes to things like this. I'm not clear with what navigational purpose such a scheme would serve. I could understand if they were holding subcategories for decades or years, but obviously they can't. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge as suggested. The Century designations are overkill at this point. -Pparazorback (talk) 01:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge per above. RandySavageFTW (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge as nominated, as evaluated by the following criterion: does the intersection reflect a distinct and significant subject of academic or popular interest? Categories such as Category:5th-century historians (5th-century history), Category:8th-century philosophers (8th-century philosophy), and Category:19th-century painters (19th-century art) all pass that threshold; Category:21st-century ice hockey players (21st-century ice hockey) does not. –Black Falcon (talk) 05:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:2010s in science and technology

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:2010s in science and technology into Category:2010s in science or Category:2010s in technology. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 20:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging to Category:2010s in science
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Not quite a duplicate but there are no other decades in science AND technology, whereas the decades in science is an established category. Tim! (talk) 11:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Create Category:2010s in technology, distribute contents and then delete. No strong preference, but science and technology are not identical.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Peterkingiron has a point. Debresser (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:2010s in architecture

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename per nominator. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:2010s in architecture to Category:2010s architecture
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Duplicate category, 2010s architecture is the standard. Tim! (talk) 11:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge per convention of Category:Architecture by decade.- choster (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge per convention. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:47, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Companies based in Ratzeburg

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I put the article in ; it's not clear from the discussion here if that should be done or not, but it can be discussed elsewhere. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * companies based in ratzeburg

Note that this category was uncategorised when i found it, and for now I placed it in, because there is no more appropriate lower-level category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OC, as small with little chance of expansion. The town of Ratzeburg (in Schleswig-Holstein, Germany) has a population of less than 14,000 (as of 2004), so is unlikely to be the base of many notable companies; it currently contains only one article, Korth. I considered suggesting that it should be renamed to Category:Companies based in Schleswig-Holstein, but although there is a I can find no other by companies-by state categories in, , or .  Maybe there should be such a set of "companies-by state in Germany" categories, and if there's consensus for that I'd support a rename.


 * Delete per nom, or better, merge to Category:Ratzeburg. Many "mittelstand" German companies are probably still more localised than their equivalents in the Anglosphere, but this sort of category should be kept to a minimum, imo. Half the infobox seems to be about the Colt gun co. Johnbod (talk) 00:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A merge to Category:Ratzeburg is fine by me. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No need to merge, since this category is not relevant to the city per se. Debresser (talk) 18:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:European sovereign states

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:European sovereign states to Category:European countries. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 20:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:European sovereign states to Category:European countries
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge, redundant. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I thought we used "country" in the category system to mean sovereign state.  The parent category Category:Sovereign states is otherwise empty (and could be deleted as empty if this category is deleted), so this category is presently unique.  postdlf (talk) 07:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. To me it looks like a kind of POV fork, since Kosovo is in the countries category but not in the sovereign states one. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 *  Keep for now . This one needs a little more attention. We do have at least two non-sovereign countries in Europe (Scotland and Wales). How many more are there? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * At least one more, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta that's sovereign, but not a country. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "Sovereign" is debatable for the SMOM. See here. I think this demonstrates one of the problems. Ultimately legal sovereignty depends not solely on claims, but also upon recognition by other sovereign entities. There are bound to be grey areas. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, though I'd come down more with Rebecca Wallace and say the SMOM is a sovereign entity, but not a country. (ANd that reference to her book ought to be cited, but I remember the book.) The Republic of Kosovo, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Transnistria, but I appear to be thinking of another way to use this distinction than it is actually being used.  So, Upmerge these, and I should be working on Category:Unrecognized or largely-unrecognized states.  That still doesn't solve the SMOM issue, though.  Bah!  Not an issue for this CFD, though. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * On balance I'd have to agree with you that it probably is sovereign at international law. But it is arguable. SMOM, why do you torment us so? Get your act together and take Malta back by force! Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it just me, or are you become more agreeable with age. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You've just finally discovered what everyone knew before—that the "good" in Good Olfactory is very, very good. Merciful, kind, just, etc. As Alansohn has said in a different context, you can just shorten it to "God Olfactory" if you like. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl's point about Scotland and Wales, also the same applies to England and Nothern Ireland. Tim! (talk) 11:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * None of the constituent parts of the UK are are categorized as countries directly and independently (neither their articles nor their eponymous categories), but rather are categorized as part of Category:United Kingdom. So I can't see the sovereign states category as having been created to address that issue.  We currently handle it the opposite way; those countries that are...less than sovereign are instead distinguished by either being grouped by their parent country (as with the UK) or in an appropriate subcategory that distinguishes them by their lesser status (Category:Asian dependencies or Category:European dependencies).  But however it's done, it needs to be done uniformly across all continents.  postdlf (talk) 17:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment -- We probably need a category for non-sovereign states, such as 4 home countries of UK, Catalonia, Gibraltar, and I expect we can find a few more. This needs tidying up, and then the merger can be done.   Peterkingiron (talk) 22:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom (changing my !vote). I think that postdlf is on the right tack, and it would be better to create a category for the fewer non-sovereign states. Though of course the idea may be too problematic for even that solution, because it poses big arguments about what constitutes sovereignty: there is a notable body of opinion in the UK which argues that because of its membership of the European Union, the United Kingdom is no longer a sovereign state. This may just be more of a can of worms than the category system can accommodate. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge per User:BrownHairedGirl. Debresser (talk) 18:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Julius Nyerere

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Count is now ten articles which seems fine and is twice as many as the five which the nominator said would have given pause to the nomination. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 20:13, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * julius nyerere


 * Nominator's rationale: This appears to be another eponymous category- none of the other Presidents of UR Tanzania have categories, and I don't see enough content here (2 articles) to change the general precedent against eponymous cats. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 06:20, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

However, if this category is deleted, then it's very important that it be deleted without prejudice to re-creating it when such articles exist, because it's only due to the sytemic bias of wikipedia towards developed nations that we don't have much more coverage of Nyerere. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC) WikiProject Tanzania notified.-- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per WP:OC, which recommends creating such a category only for collections of subarticles (see Summary style), or collections of articles on a topic about the named person. Julius Nyerere was a hugely significant figure in the history of decolonising Africa, and his significance as a political thinker extends well beyond Africa (never mind just Tanzania), so I have no doubt that many more articles could be written to populate such a category. However, those article don't yet exist, and only three of the five articles in the category actually belong there: Julius Nyerere, Arusha Declaration and Mwalimu Nyerere Museum Centre, and I don't think that's quite enough to justify a category.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions.
 * BHG, if there had been five articles in it last night, we wouldn't be here- there were only two when the nomination was submitted. With five, I would withdrawn this nom and allow it to populate naturally. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment – it reflects badly on Wikipedia that Category:Categories named after politicians has so few categories for African leaders. There were various giants who are missing - eg Kaunda, Kenyatta, Banda – and Nyerere is in the same league. I tend towards 'weak keep' while conceding that 3 articles is not very many. Occuli (talk) 22:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree that it reflects badly, but surely the problem is a lack of articles rather than of categories? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Question Is this likely ever to be better populated? If not, a navbox template might do the job better. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Tekken films

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * tekken films


 * Nominator's rationale: Yet another User:Lg16spears creation - a film category for a two film "series" that is not a series at all. Extremely excessive and unnecessary categorization. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 00:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Two films doth not a series maketh. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Thorold, Ontario

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Jafeluv (talk) 09:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming


 * Category:Thorold, Ontario to Category:Thorold
 * Category:People from Thorold, Ontario to Category:People from Thorold
 * Category:Neighbourhoods in Thorold, Ontario to Category:Neighbourhoods in Thorold
 * Nominator's rationale: no disambiguate ', Ontario' not needed as there are no other places named Thorold Mayumashu (talk) 00:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep all to match the article Thorold, Ontario. (I personally think Thorold, Ontario is preferable to Thorold as I have heard of Ontario but not of Thorold; but other Canadian places have dropped the disamb in the last year or 2 and there do seem to be no other Thorolds.) Occuli (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A move discussion on the article should really come first, following which the category can be renamed or not pro forma. Close as the wrong process for what's desired. Bearcat (talk) 05:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep all per Bearcat. The current names match the head article Thorold, Ontario, and as Bearcat notes a proposal to rename the head article should be made through Requested moves, not here. I suggest that the nominator should withdraw this nomination, without prejudice to making a new one if and when the main article is renamed. (If the article is renamed, the proposed category renaming is likely to be uncontroversial). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Addressing the comments, a change needs to be made, true enough, but a withdrawal is not necessary. I wish to amend my first proposal to Category:Thorold (city) (and keep the other two as is).     Mayumashu (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The convention is that category names should usually follow the format of article names. Your revised proposal makes even less sense than the first, because it breaks that convention in two ways rather than just one. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep all per Bearcat. Move discussion should happen on page first. -DJSasso (talk) 16:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep All to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 00:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, particularly the first. Thorold is an English surname, of a family of Lincolnshire baronets, some of whom were probably notable, but ought not to be in a category about a city.  In principle, it should match the main article, but if that was moved to Thorold (city), the others could be changed too.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


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