Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 June 24



Category:Irish-Gaelic language albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, invoking WP:SILENCE. —  ξ xplicit  04:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Irish-Gaelic language albums to Category:Irish-language albums
 * Nominator's rationale: per parent cat.s and articles —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


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Territorial Congressional districts

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (I note that the categories were not tagged for deletion with  on the main category page. This doesn't affect the outcome here, but it does mean that the discussion perhaps didn't attract as many comments as it otherwise would had. I mention it just to be thorough and to serve as a general reminder to nominators to tag the categories they nominate on the main category page, not on the category talk page.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose deletion


 * Category:Congressional districts of American Samoa
 * Category:Congressional districts of Delaware
 * Category:Congressional districts of the District of Columbia
 * Category:Congressional districts of Guam
 * Category:Congressional districts of the Northern Mariana Islands
 * Category:Congressional districts of the Philippines
 * Category:Congressional districts of Puerto Rico
 * Category:Congressional districts of the United States Virgin Islands


 * These categories are completely absurd. None of these have ever had more than 1 district, and Delaware is the only one of these with the potential for multiple ones, as it is the only state. As for the *Congressional districts of the Philippines, it has not even been part of the U.S. for 70 years or so. All of these are irrelevant, and until there is are least two districts for a given state/territory, it should not have a category titled 'Congressional districts of * insert name here* .'  Toa   Nidhiki  05  19:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:OC explicitly allows for small categories that are part of a larger scheme. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: That applies to categories with a few members; these only have 1 each, and a category should, by definition, have more than 1 member. It is common sense to delete these.  Toa   Nidhiki  05 
 * Oppose per Koavf. Deleting these categories will hinder readers who go to the main category for congressional districts. This is an international encyclopedia, and even if there is just one in the category, having them is not causing any trouble. To quible that "districts" is plural and categories should always have multiple articles sounds like a red herring. Having consistent naming structures and categories for all districts, including territories, assists readers not familiar with American government.DCmacnut &lt; &gt; 20:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:OC and DCmacnut. There are plenty of precedents for single-article categories as part of a series. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is a category called Category:At-large United States congressional districts that is intended for these. There is no need for a separate category for each of these; that assumption is ridiculous. I still se no reason to keep these.  Toa   Nidhiki  05  20:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: That category is primarily used for the dozens of defunct At-large congressional districts (though I'm surprised Delaware is the only "current" district listed). Again, the central point is that these proposed deletions are relevant categories and serve a purpose as part of the broader categoriziation of congressional districts.DCmacnut &lt; &gt; 20:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've now put them all in Category:At-large United States congressional districts. And they're not just defunct; there are many active districts.—Markles  23:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose per all. —Markles 22:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose All as these are part of a broader category navigation structure. Alansohn (talk) 00:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I think it makes more sense to have a category with only one article in it than it does to have a Category:Congressional districts of XXX for only 49 of the 50 states. — JPMcGrath (talk) 02:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest merger into Category:Congressional districts of US territories (except Delaware and DC) but perhaps Markles has achieved this already with "at large". (from an Englishman) Peterkingiron (talk) 16:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As noted above, at-large is more than just territories.—Markles 00:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Merger - Great idea.  Toa   Nidhiki  05  19:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


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UK local politicians by party

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to . —  ξ xplicit  04:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * either Category:Labour Party (UK) local politicians to Category:Labour Party (UK) councillors
 * or Category:Liberal Democrat (UK) councillors to Category:Liberal Democrat (UK) local politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: These two categories should follow the same format, so one or other of them should be renamed. My preference is to use "local politicians", since that is the format of the parent Category:Local political office-holders in the United Kingdom. However, most of the local sub-categories use the format "Councillors" in foo (eg. the sub-cats of ), although the word "councillor" may not obviously include aldermen and mayors. Since I can see a case for either format, I thought it best offer both options. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm - both name forms have their problems. "Local politicians" is a fairly meaningless concept given the old adage that "all politics are local". "Councillors" doesn't easily cover directly elected Mayors and aldermen (and separate categories will be a nightmare). How about local government politicians? Timrollpickering (talk) 20:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's inclusive, but it feels a bit verbose and clumsy. I think I'd put that as the third choice, behind the other two. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If "Local Politicians" is chosen, then candidates for office would be included. Vernon White  . . . Talk 21:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Vernon, that's a very good point. It makes more sense to me to keep these as category of office-holders, not just of candidates and activists, because as Timrollpickering points out, all politicians are local in some sense, and the defining characteristic being captured in this category is that these people are holders of elected office in local govt.  So that makes up my mind: Rename to foo councillors, and use a headnote in the category to stress that it includes aldermen and mayors. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Prefer "Councillors"; though strictly this would not include elected mayors and aldermen, most will previously have been councillors. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Census Regions of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename.  Blurpeace  05:56, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Census Regions of the United States to Category:Census regions of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Use proper title style Blurpeace  08:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This qualifies for SPEEDY RENAMING. Cgingold (talk) 08:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Converts to Rastafarianism

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Converts to Rastafarianism from Christianity; rename Category:Converts to Rastafarianism to Category:Converts to the Rastafari movement. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * converts to rastafarianism
 * converts to rastafarianism from christianity
 * Nominator's rationale: Extremely provocative / bad idea for a cat; irrelevant, personal life info (BLP) and term 'RastafarianISM' is taken as patently offensive by Rastafarians - amazing people cannot even read our articles and learn something from them! Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 02:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Query – given that we have Category:Converts from Christianity (to all of which the 'irrelevant, personal life info (BLP)' rationale would apply) is there a rename which is not 'patently offensive by Rastafarians'? (The article is Rastafari movement. Incidentally the Bob Marley article does not support his presence in 'Converts to Rastafarianism from Christianity' as there is no info that he was initially 'Christian' and there is info that he was baptised in 1980. Does the Rastafari movement consider itself necessarily non-Christian anyway?) Occuli (talk) 08:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose "Converts from Christianity to Rastafari" would be an improvement, but it is still problematic, as they are not necessarily always considered mutually exclusive by all the adherents, as you pointed out. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Could one rename Category:Converts to Rastafarianism to "Converts to Rastafari" and merge the other one into it? Or do you argue that Category:Rastafarians is sufficient and that the category system does not lend itself to encapsulating the progress of an individual from one calling to another? I expect we could find 'converts from X to Y and then Z' with a bit of digging. Occuli (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If there's nothing wrong with Category:Rastafarians and including people in it, what's wrong with including people in Category:Converts to Rastafarianism or Category:Converts to Rastafari, just the same as for other movements, etc.? If some BLP subjects don't treat their beliefs as mutually exclusive with some other religion, we need not refer to them as converts from that other faith, so I'm willing to grant that Category:Converts to Rastafarianism from Christianity is potentially weaker than Category:Converts to Rastafarianism/Category:Converts to Rastafari. The thing that matters, however, is that Rastafari is generally described as a religious movement, does happen to be described as a type of system that one converts to, and I have found plenty of Google Books sources from reliable publishers discussing "conversions to Rastafarianism" -- so long as it's a matter of WP:RS. And if it's a matter of semantics, that, too, can easily be fixed. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We have deleted some similar categories at cfd (eg Converts to Scientology) and kept others. A search for 'convert' on the invaluable page User:Good_Olfactory/CFD gives quite a few. Occuli (talk) 19:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As for Bob Marley, whenever asked when or how long he's been Rasta, he would always insist that he became a Rastafarian at the beginning of creation, and thus did not ever "convert"...! At any rate, Category:Converts to Rastafari might be okay, but then it would largely duplicate Category:Rastafarians, since as you pointed out again, it is a rather "new" movement. A few exceptions might be younger generation people like Marley's kids who were born into it. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 21:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Rename one and delete the other. Rename to maybe Category:Converts to the Rastafari movement to keep inline with the main article's name and delete the latter; technically, since Rastafari(anism) is a religious movement, someone can be both a Rasta and a Christian simultaneously (as, in fact, Bob Marley was.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, this solution sounds good and sensible to me. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 21:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Me too. Occuli (talk) 01:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


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Jacobite Rising of 1745

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. —  ξ xplicit  04:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1745 Jacobite uprising to Category:Jacobite Rising of 1745
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion to Category:Battles of the Jacobite Rising of 1745
 * Propose renaming Category:People of the Jacobite Rising of 1745-46 to Category:People of the Jacobite Rising of 1745
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Propose standardising names of this war to match main article Jacobite Rising of 1745. We don't need four different formats for different categories that relate to the same conflict. already exists in this format. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Support renames to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 02:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, uncontroversially accepted naming. East of Borschov 05:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename as per nom to match related article. MilborneOne (talk) 15:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nominator for consistency and to match title of parent article. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Civil war between the Armagnacs and the Burgundians

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ xplicit  04:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Civil war between the Armagnacs and the Burgundians to Category:Armagnac–Burgundian Civil War
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Propose renaming to match main article Armagnac–Burgundian Civil War. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 02:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Sounds fine to me.  Toa   Nidhiki  05  20:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


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