Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 2



Category:EOKA struggle

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy close Nominator agreed to close CFD so that category can be speedied. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * eoka struggle


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category, redundant since the relevant Category:EOKA also exists Constantine  ✍  23:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


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Recipients of the Victoria Cross by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Recipients of the Victoria Cross by nation to Category:Recipients of the Victoria Cross by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename, chnaging "by nation" to "by nationality" per other categories of "Fooers by nationality". -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom and custom. Occuli (talk) 10:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is the prime military bravery award in UK and dominions, but should be renamed according to the usual practice.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Might be worth having categories based on which nation issued the award- IIRC Canada, Australia, and New Zealand have their own editions of the VC; but that's not what this category does. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename:
 * Category:Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland) to Category:Albion Rovers F.C.
 * Category:Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland) managers to Category:Albion Rovers F.C. managers
 * Category:Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland) players to Category:Albion Rovers F.C. players
 * -- X damr  talk 17:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland) to Category:Albion Rovers F.C.
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all to match main article; this was previously moved from Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland) to Albion Rovers F.C. as it was considered the primary topic over the similarly named team from Wales. As there are no categories relating to the Welsh outfit the categories should follow suit as disambiguation is unnecessary.Jellyman (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Category:Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland) managers to Category:Albion Rovers F.C. managers
 * Category:Albion Rovers F.C. (Scotland) players to Category:Albion Rovers F.C. players
 * Support Renames to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Star Trek music

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. —  ξ xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * star trek music


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category was deleted a couple of years ago. Speedy declined because there were more articles placed in it but after removing articles for songs inextricably linked to Star Trek like Row, Row, Row Your Boat the category remains small with little or no growth potential and serves as a magnet for adding any song used in a Star Trek movie however peripherally. Otto4711 (talk) 18:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, at least until a better argument for deletion is presented. There are currently five articles in it that are only about Star Trek music; a sixth would also arguably fit ("Faith of the Heart", or at least a redirect for its re-working "Where My Heart Will Take Me" that was used as the theme song for Enterprise).  There are also many other franchise-specific categories in Category:Science fiction music, including Category:Doctor Who music, for example, notwithstanding the likelihood that someone will put "Voodoo Child" in it.  There aren't that many songs/music used in Star Trek films that weren't written for it, so why can't it just be policed?  How many songs except for "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" (Star Trek V) or "Magic Carpet Ride" (Star Trek: First Contact) are likely to be dumped in it inappropriately?  The alternative is to dump all five (and possibly more) articles directly in Category:Science fiction music and Category:Star Trek.  postdlf (talk) 03:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and perhaps tighten the rubric to exclude peripheral odes. It is not like Otto to favour the dumping of articles from a really-quite-well-defined subcat into an eponymous category. Occuli (talk) 16:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and remove any songs that are only tangentially related that get dropped in there. We're not bound to a three year old decision that was based on it being small. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


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Martial artists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. —  ξ xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:Martial arts practitioners to Category:Martial artists
 * Category:Martial arts practitioners by type to Category:Martial artists by type
 * Category:Martial arts practitioners by nationality to Category:Martial artists by nationality
 * Category:Martial arts practitioners by type by nationality to Category:Martial artists by type by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all. The sub-categories of all use the format "Fooian martial artists", and all but two of the first-level sub-categories of  use "martial artists" rather than "practitioners". -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin. If the consensus is to rename, then the existing soft redirect will need to be deleted before the bots get to work, because otherwise everything will end up in  a redirect. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Martial arts has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC))
 * Support simpler, shorter and well-know naming convention. jmcw (talk) 10:10, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Not quite sure why it would ever have been the other way.--Natet/c 12:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Economic, Social and Cultural Council

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 * The result of the discussion was: at today's CfD page. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Economic, Social and Cultural Council to Category:ECOSOCC
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:COMMONNAME and this discussion. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose The article is at Economic, Social, and Cultural Council, so I'd actually propose adding an extra comma to the category name, rather than going for an acronym on the parent category. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


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HIV/AIDS

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep all. —  ξ xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS researchers to Category:HIV and AIDS researchers
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS research institutes to Category:HIV and AIDS research institutes
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS prevention organizations to Category:HIV and AIDS prevention organizations
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in Africa to Category:HIV and AIDS in Africa
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in the Caribbean to Category:HIV and AIDS in the Caribbean
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in the United Kingdom to Category:HIV and AIDS in the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in the United States to Category:HIV and AIDS in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in Uganda to Category:HIV and AIDS in Uganda
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in Switzerland to Category:HIV and AIDS in Switzerland
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in South Africa to Category:HIV and AIDS in South Africa
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in India to Category:HIV and AIDS in India
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in the People's Republic of China to Category:HIV and AIDS in the People's Republic of China
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in Canada to Category:HIV and AIDS in Canada
 * Propose renaming Category:Documentary films about HIV/AIDS to Category:Documentaries about HIV and AIDS
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS in literature to Category:HIV and AIDS in literature
 * Propose renaming Category:People associated with HIV/AIDS to Category:People associated with HIV and AIDS
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS organizations to Category:HIV and AIDS organizations
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS by region to Category:HIV and AIDS by region
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS by country to Category:HIV and AIDS by country
 * Propose renaming Category:HIV/AIDS to Category:HIV and AIDS
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SLASH. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * clarification requested what is the meaning of the slash, does it equate to and or or given we have AIDS and HIV as seperate articles though HIV is the cause of AIDS one can exist without the other HIV infection has basically four stages: incubation period, acute infection, latency stage and AIDS(emphasis added). Gnangarra 06:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming to just 'HIV' (e.g. Category:HIV by region, Category:HIV in Switzerland, Category:HIV researchers etc.) because AIDS is the name for the common symptomatics of an HIV infection, meaning that 'HIV' encompasses all we want to collect in this category. We don't want to string together subsets like "HIV and AIDS and Karposi's sarcoma" (slight exaggeration of this principle) PanchoS (talk) 11:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Minor comment I'd prefer Category:Documentary films about HIV and AIDS because there's been a long standing problem imo with this category tree. Documentaries is the top-level category which can refer to film, television or radio/audio documentaries, but this category is populated with films. Anyway, it's no bid deal if renamed as nommed, it can just become a top level cat if we ever do create subcats for HIV television and radio docs, at some later date. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose HIV/AIDS is the most commonly used and recognisable descriptor available. It's even used in the name of a WHO department, a funded program by USAID, state departments, etc. This is one case where real world usage trumps Wikipedia guidelines (and they are, after all, only guidelines.) Orderinchaos 05:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Oppose. My quick google search gives about 18 million hits for "HIV/AIDS" vs. about 2.5 million for "HIV and AIDS". The current names appear to me to be far more common, despite it's apparent violation of a WP naming convention. Those who deny that HIV is the cause of AIDS would like the linkage to be destroyed, but I think we're beyond that hope right now. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Apparently HIV/AIDS is the most common name, so we should use that. Pcap ping  22:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Renames to use the most common form of the terms. Alansohn (talk) 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Olympic alpine skiers of Albania

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep  nomination withdrawn; see last comment.  (non-admin closure) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Olympic alpine skiers of Albania to Category:Albanian alpine skiers
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping contents. McMarcoP (talk) 15:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of a series per WP:OC. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as part of a series per WP:OC (namely Category:Olympic alpine skiers by country). Who can tell what future glories await Alpine skiing in Albania anyway, as even the very unalpine Ghana can do it? Occuli (talk) 17:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. Please mind that I was not suggesting to delete either category, but just to merge the two. I found unnecessary to have a category for Albanian skiers and one for Albanian Olympic skiers. I will abide with what you suggest anyway, of course. Just intended to clarify the reasoning behind my suggestion McMarcoP (talk) 09:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply. Thanks for explaining your rationale, McMarcoP; I hope you'll forgive me for explaining why the convention is to keep categories like this. There are two reasons why WP:OC recommends keeping small categories when they are part of a series:
 * To ensure completeness, so that anyone looking at can find the Albanian olympic skiers amongst the others. If the category has been upmerged, they can't get there without popping up a layer to.
 * To ensure that the Albanians remain in an Olympic category. The small category may have many parent categories, so it provides several different pathways to the articles in it.
 * By the way, merger is a form of deletion, because merging Cat:X to Cat:Y consists of taking the articles in Cat:X, recategorising them in Cat:Y, and then deleting Cat:X; the end result is that there is no more Cat:X.
 * Hope this helps. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Hi BrownHairedGirl. Your explanation is very clear and I understand that the reasoning behind my proposal was not correct. Thank you for clarifying that. Both categories need to be kept. McMarcoP (talk) 09:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


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Comedians by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and merge as nominated. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting:
 * comedians by century


 * Propose merging:
 * Category:20th-century comedians to Category:Comedians
 * Category:21st-century comedians to Category:Comedians
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete & merge, per the consensus in many recent discussions that by-century categories of people-by-occupation may be useful for the 19th century and before, but not for the 20th- and 21st-centuries. (And sorry for the 10-hour delay in completing this nomination). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge according to much recent precedent. Any categories for earlier centuries could be kept.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per my long-standing support of deletion of per-century categories. Debresser (talk) 07:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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Television personalities by century
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Note that these categories probably should have been included in Cfd February 26 discussion of, but since they were not sub-categories of I didn't spot them at the time. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge both. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging
 * Category:20th-century television personalities to Category:Television personalities
 * Category:21st-century television personalities to Category:Television personalities
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge both. There is a general consensus against 20th and 21st-century sub-categories of people-by-occupation categories, and television is another bad topic for this form of categorisation. Per the timeline of the introduction of television in countries broadcasts only began on a significant scale in the 1940s and 1950s, yet these categories set out to divide this 70-year history into two 100-year blocs. That's a really bad way of grouping articles for navigational purposes, not least because nearly all the 21st-century television personalities are also 20th-century television people. (These two categories contain only 13 articles between them. Of the 6 articles in, only one is not among the 12 in .)


 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  — Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Support nom per many similar cfds. Occuli (talk) 17:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Too overly-specific as a people by occupation and century category Mayumashu (talk) 00:45, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per my long-standing support of deletion of per-century categories. Debresser (talk) 07:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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Film directors by century
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and merge as nominated. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting


 * film directors by century
 * Propose merging

Other recent discussions of people-by-occupation-by-century categories have shown a preference for keeping some 19th-century categories, but in this case there is currently no 19th-century category. I can't see any point in creating one, because it would amount to a small and arbitrary subset of, a category which provides a much more logical grouping of the early days of film. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:20th-century film directors to Category:Film directors
 * Category:21st-century film directors to Category:Film directors
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge and delete. The first commercial films date only from the 1890s (see History of film), so occupation of film director is only 115 years old. Dividing those 115 years into three blocks of 100 years make no sense: there were few 19th-century directors, and at this early point in the current century most 21st-century directors were also active in the 20th century.


 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  — Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support nom per many similar cfds. Agree re 19th century. Occuli (talk) 17:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support -- according to much recnet precedent. No 19th century category should be permitted.  If we need a slit it should be silent/talkie, but probably better to treat silent as a subcategory.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per my long-standing support of deletion of per-century categories. Debresser (talk) 07:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:DCAU screenshots and pictures
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:DCAU screenshots and pictures to Category:DC animated universe screenshots and pictures.  --  X damr  talk 17:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:DCAU screenshots and pictures to Category:DC animated universe images
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main category and simpler name —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * Keep - Naming convention - screenshots and pictures - is consistent with sub categories and other related categories for collection of stills, promotional images, artwork, posters, etc from comics related films and television shows. There may be an argument for lengthening by spelling out "animated universe", but a tenuous one. Again, it is consistent with how long, awkward titles are treated on "back-end" categories. - J Greb (talk) 03:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Rename to Category:DC animated universe screenshots and pictures to expand abbreviation per nom, and to keep "screenshots and pictures" per J Greb. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This is probably the best option. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:ANTARA people
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:ANTARA people to Category:Antara news agency people.  --  X damr  talk 17:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:ANTARA people to Category:???
 * Nominator's rationale: This should certainly be renamed if kept (per main article and WP:ALLCAPS), but the current name implies a people group. Should this be further renamed? Maybe Category:Persons associated with Antara? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose this Indonesian organisation acronym was commonly found in caps SatuSuro 06:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

(It may be clearer to omit the brackets on the disambiguator, and just call it Category:Antara news agency people.)-- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename -- Category:Staff of Antara (news agency) to match main article, now at Antara (news agency). Peterkingiron (talk) 22:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Antara (news agency) people, per convention of other such categories. e.g., , and lots of sub-cats of.


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Category:ANAPROF
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename per nominator. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:ANAPROF to Category:Liga Panameña de Fútbol
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main. There should be some consistency to the articles within this as well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - nominators personal rationale does not coincide with the usage again - just because an acronym exists is not necessarily a reason to create the expanded words - 10 of the articles in the category have the acronym as the title - common usage is a good argument against making it the title - just one in the category with the suggested name. SatuSuro 07:03, 24 February 2010 (UTC) <hr style="width:50%;" /> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Rename – the article is Liga Panameña de Fútbol and is much more informative than ANAPROF, an acronym lacking global recognition. ('Common' usage? Where?) Occuli (talk) 10:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename – easy case: the ligue formerly known as ANAPROF is now called Liga Panameña de Fútbol. PanchoS (talk) 04:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


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Myanmar
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename:
 * Category:Ambassadors of Russia to Myanmar to Category:Ambassadors of Russia to Burma
 * Category:Ambassadors of Myanmar to Russia to Category:Ambassadors of Burma to Russia
 * Category:Ambassadors of Myanmar to Category:Ambassadors of Burma
 * Category:Government ministries of Myanmar to Category:Government ministries of Burma
 * -- X damr  talk 17:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of Russia to Myanmar to Category:Ambassadors of Russia to Burma
 * Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of Myanmar to Russia to Category:Ambassadors of Burma to Russia
 * Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of Myanmar to Category:Ambassadors of Burma
 * Propose renaming Category:Government ministries of Myanmar to Category:Government ministries of Burma
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article (Burma) and category (Category:Burma). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Occuli (talk) 10:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename all, notwithstanding the fact that the government currently self-identifies as "Myanmar". When (if) the article name changes, we could change the categories. For now, this qualifies as a speedy change. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Renames to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 22:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hold back for a bit as discussion on the parent article's talk page seems to suggest there is some controversy about the article being moved to Burma from Myanmar. Orderinchaos 14:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless someone formally proposes moving it back, I don't see a reason to wait. It's easy to rename categories, and if the article is renamed, the categories could easily be renamed too. For the time being, there not really a good reason to have most named "Burma" and these outliers named "Myanmar". Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Deprecated citation templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete.  --  X damr  talk 17:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * deprecated citation templates


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty. I am nominating this rather than using a db-tag because there may be something I'm missing here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I suppose the templates that were here were deleted at Tfd. Delete only if this is so, but repopulate if not. Debresser (talk) 06:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Whiptail lizards
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  00:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Whiptail lizards to Category:Teiidae
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge, duplicate category for a lizard family. The parent article is at Teiidae, which shows that "whiptail lizard" is not a comprehensive common term for all included species.  postdlf (talk) 04:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Merge to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 04:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:BGN/PCGN romanization
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 * The result of the discussion was: Nomination withdrawn. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:BGN/PCGN romanization to Category:BGN–PCGN romanization
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SLASH and title of main article (which I just moved.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The BGN/PCGN publication used as a source in the BGN/PCGN romanization article uses a slash, not a dash.  We should not be overwriting real-life usage with our guidelines (please do correct me if I'm wrong, though).  The main article (and its sub-articles) should be moved back for this same reason as well.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 2, 2010; 13:57 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn Sorry. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the European Greens - European Free Alliance
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Category:Members of the European Greens - European Free Alliance to Category:European Greens–European Free Alliance.  --  X damr  talk 17:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Members of the European Greens - European Free Alliance to Category:European Greens–European Free Alliance
 * Nominator's rationale: These parties are members of either the European Free Alliance or the European Green Party. However they are not themselves members of a parliamentary group such as the "European Greens - European Free Alliance", only their MPs are. So this category is both wrong and unnecessary. It can safely be merged into its parent category Category:European Greens–European Free Alliance which is enough to indicate their affiliation to a parliamentary group. PanchoS (talk) 03:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. This is an un-necessary intermediate layer. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - these are two separate groups in alliance, not a single one. European Greens are members of various international Green groups, but members of the EFA are not --MacRusgail (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

But this is not about merging the respective categories of European Greens and of EFA. This is about merging the category Category:Members of the European Greens - European Free Alliance (which is both unnesessary and wrong) to its parent category Category:European Greens–European Free Alliance. I can't see that your otherwise reasonable objections to blurring the distinction between the two alliances, were warranted. The contrary is the case: as I said, parties are only members of either the Greens or the EFA, not of the common parliamentary group. So the distinction between the two alliances rather gets clearer. PanchoS (talk) 21:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ehm, yes, certainly the two alliances are different from each other, which is why they have separate categories.


 * Delete both The main article says, "This group consists of two distinct European political parties - the European Green Party (EGP) and the European Free Alliance (EFA)". The implication is that there are two parties, which happen to work together.  The present category is a parent-only container category the members of the two parties and the main article just quoted.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:18, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Northern Irish Radio DJs
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus for this merge, ut the proposal below applies to this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Northern Irish Radio DJs to Category:Radio personalities from Northern Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. No distinction between the two categories and no need to have both available. "Radio personalities" category covers a more comprehensive range of articles. Fattonyni (talk) 02:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Or rename to Category:Radio DJs from Northern Ireland, subcat of Category:Radio personalities from Northern Ireland, per Category:British radio DJs, subcat of Category:British radio personalities. Occuli (talk) 10:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion, but rename to Category:Radio DJs from Northern Ireland per Occuli. There is no reason to delete the Northern Irish radio DJs unless the parent category Category:British radio DJs and its other subcats are also to be deleted. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


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Northern Irish xxx to xxx of Northern Ireland
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming


 * Category:Northern Irish albums to Category:Albums from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish art to Category:Art in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish atheists to Category:Atheists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Baptist ministers to Category:Baptist ministers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Baptists to Category:Baptists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish basketball teams to Category:Basketball teams in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish bloggers to Category:Bloggers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Buddhists to Category:Buddhists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Zen Buddhists to Category:Zen Buddhists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Canadians to Category:Canadians from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish cartoonists to Category:Cartoonists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Christians to Category:Christians from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish cinematographers to Category:Cinematographers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish classical musicians to Category:Classical musicians from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish composers to Category:Composers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish conductors to Category:Conductors from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish cricket clubs to Category:Cricket clubs in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish culture to Category:Culture of Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish editorial cartoonists to Category:Editorial cartoonists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Elim Pentecostals to Category:Elim Pentecostals from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish evangelicals to Category:Evangelicals from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish female field hockey players to Category:Female field hockey players from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish film producers to Category:Film producers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish football clubs to Category:Football clubs in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish harpists to Category:Harpists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish heavy metal musical groups to Category:Heavy metal musical groups from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish hockey clubs to Category:Hockey clubs in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Jews to Category:Jews from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish keyboardists to Category:Keyboardists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish laws to Category:Laws of Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish media to Category:Media in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Methodists to Category:Methodists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish multi-instrumentalists to Category:Multi-instrumentalists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish music to Category:Music in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish non-fiction literature to Category:Non-fiction literature from Northern  Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish oboists to Category:Oboists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish of Canadian descent to Category:People from Northern Ireland of Canadian descent
 * Category:Northern Irish of Scottish descent to Category:People from Northern Ireland of Scottish descent
 * Category:Northern Irish people of Italian  descent to Category:People   from Northern Ireland of Italian  descent
 * Category:Northern Irish people of Welsh descent to Category:People  from Northern Ireland of Welsh  descent
 * Category:Northern Irish people who died in prison custody to Category:People  from Northern Ireland who died in  prison custody
 * Category:Northern Irish opera singers to Category:Opera singers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish organists to Category:Organists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish paramilitaries to Category:Paramilitaries from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish people by political orientation  to Category:People  from Northern Ireland by political orientation
 * Category:Northern Irish people convicted of murder to Category:People  from Northern Ireland convicted of  murder
 * Category:Northern Irish physicists to Category:Physicists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish poetry to Category:Poetry of Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish pop musicians to Category:Pop musicians from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish pop singers to Category:Pop singers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish pottery to Category:Pottery in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Presbyterians to Category:Presbyterians from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish prisoners sentenced to life  imprisonment to Category:Prisoners  from Northern Ireland sentenced  to life imprisonment
 * Category:Northern Irish Protestants to Category:Protestants from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Quakers to Category:Quakers from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish radio to Category:Radio in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish radio programmes to Category:Radio programmes in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish rock music groups to Category:Rock music groups from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Roman Catholics to Category:Roman Catholics from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish rugby union clubs to Category:Rugby union clubs in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Salvationists to Category:Salvationists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish sports teams to Category:Sports teams in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish society to Category:Society of Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish stone circles to Category:Stone circles in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish strength athletes to Category:Strength athletes from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish Taoists to Category:Taoists from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish television producers to Category:Television producers from Northern  Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish television programmes to Category:Television programmes from Northern  Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish theatre to Category:Theatre in Northern Ireland
 * Category:Northern Irish women by occupation to Category:Women from Northern Ireland by occupation
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Mass renaming proposal in line with conventions used in main article title (Culture of  Northern Ireland and  various archived Cfd discussions including Categories  for discussion/Log/2009 June 18 and Categories  for deletion/Log/2005 September 9. Fattonyni (talk) 02:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename all per nom to avoid use of the contentious adjectival form "Northern Irish". The alternative "in Northern Ireland" carries less baggage. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I realised there's a very long list of similar categories here -- more categories now added to the proposed list -- saving for the moment, more to come. Also renamed above heading as I should have done in the first place. Fattonyni (talk) 04:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Further articles added, final bunch to come. Fattonyni (talk) 04:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * List now complete. Fattonyni (talk) 05:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename all The proposal appears logical and non-contentious. Davshul (talk) 06:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename all per previous cfds. Occuli (talk) 10:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note. While I strongly support this renaming to a more neutral terminology, it will have unfortunate effect of breaking the very clever and useful category navigation template Fooian fooers. To ensure that this template does not start generating redlinks, please recreate all the "Northern Irish fooers" category as category redirects. -14:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename all per the statement made by BrownHairedGirl. ~Asarlaí 15:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions.  -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Renames to more clearly describe the contents of the categories. Alansohn (talk) 17:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - incredibly clumsy as indicated by some of the long winded names suggested.--MacRusgail (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:British film director templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British film director templates to Category:European film director templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Mostly-overlapping with Category:English film director templates and make up an unnecessary sublevel in Category:European film director templates. Most of the entries are actually for English directors but have been misplaced because of the overlap. Categories for other British countries can be created if the number of templates is sufficient, otherwise they can be placed directly under the European category. An alternative could be to delete the English subcat and move everything to the British one, but a merge between Britain and Europe would be preferable as I see it. Smetanahue (talk) 02:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep As per many other category structures that have British then English as the layout. Most of the directors in the British category have British as the category on their article (IE - Category:British film directors), instead of English. Not everyone who describes themselves as British is English (or vice-versa) and could lead to WP:OR in moving them to the English sub-cat.  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep – it is standard to have a 'British' category with an 'English' subcat. I checked about half the British ones and not a single one is also in the 'English' subcat. At least one of the British ones is not in any way English (Vaughan, described as Scottish). Merging British to European is a bizarre notion. (The category is not tagged.) Occuli (talk) 10:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Lugnuts and Occuli. English as a subcat of British is standard practice in categorisation. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Per standard practice to distinguish British subjects. Alansohn (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Templates deprecated from November 2006
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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete as empty/emptied monthly maintenance category. Debresser (talk) 06:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * templates deprecated from november 2006


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete. No need for a CfD, just tag it with db-emptycat. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Of course. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:47, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Children
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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep.  --  X damr  talk 17:24, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Children to Category:People who became notable as children
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The bulk of sub-categories here involve people who became notable as children rather than current children. PatGallacher (talk) 00:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Cautious support Since everyone who is an adult was at one time a child, this category is basically redundant to Category:People. That having been said, I'm not 100% on the proposed name. I don't have a better one though, so unless I have a flash of brilliance, I'll support this. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * NB An exception as a subcat is Category:Military brats but this was resoundingly deleted in July 2006 and should perhaps be revisited. I join Koavf in offering guarded support. Occuli (talk) 01:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are just a handful of subcats where the issues are slightly different, if this cat is renamed we will have to consider what to do with them. PatGallacher (talk) 11:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I don't know—I think that what is being proposed goes without saying for all categories. People are only categorized by their defining characteristics. Just because someone spent some time as a reporter we don't categorize them as reporters. We only categorize them in if it's defining for them. This principle is fairly widely misunderstood and misapplied. We could partly solve the problem by naming the category, but I think doing so is not the way to promote the idea of proper categorization. The same principles apply here, I think. Also, and probably more significantly—the category contains more than just bio articles about people who were notable as children. It contains articles such as Advertising to children, Juvenile delinquency, Witchcraft and children, etc. Renaming would create problems for inclusion of articles like this. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Besides the arguments already raised, this change could widen the category, by including people who were notable as children but are now adults. Maurreen (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that misunderstands the issue. Effectively, this category already does mostly consist of people who were notable as children but are now adults.  The name should be changed to reflect this. PatGallacher (talk) 23:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I see your point. I'm changing my !vote to other rename to Category:People notable as children. It accomplishes your goal, but is less wordy. Maurreen (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Delete Ridiculous category. At one point every single person on Wiki was a child, so in theory everybody could go in this category. Djln--Djln (talk) 19:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: at this timestamp, category is not tagged. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also a rather substantial subcategory structure of Category:Children by nationality to deal with in addition to the various child topic subcategories. postdlf (talk) 04:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now. I can see what the nominator is trying to do (i.e. to avoid having an article on an adult tagged as "Children") and it's a reasonable goal, because I can see some editors removing such a category on the grounds that (for example) Charlotte Church or Aled Jones have not been children for a long time. However, there are two problems with this proposal:
 * Good Olfactory's point about the categorisation of articles such as Advertising to children. I think that this can be resolved by categorising those articles under, and leaving this category tree for individual children (or groups of children) rather than for topics-relating-to-children.
 * A more subtle problem. The current scope of the category is not actually "people who became notable as children"; it is the more subtle "people notable in relation to their childhood", because in many cases the notability arose many years after the events to which it relates. One example is abuse cases: such as Michael O'Brien, who was unknown as a child, low-profile notable in adulthood as mayor or a town, but shot to national prominence in Ireland more than 40 years later after his graphic account on television of the abuse he had received as a child in the "care" of a religious order. We do not appear to be categorising child-abuse victims (were those categories deleted?), but there are other similar categories such as . Those children were nearly all unknown until well after their death.
 * So I am opposing this nomination unless we can resolve these issues. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:21, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. Beyond those issues with the rename being inapplicable to many of the contents, I think this is largely a solution in search of a problem, because I don't see any sign that this is in danger of being misused.  Many of the subcategories are clearly based upon the relationship of some other fact to the subject's age, such as Category:Child actors, that remain applicable even once the subject is no longer a child, and so Category:Children is at a minimum a useful parent category.  Even if an article is placed in a more general category such as Category:American children, it serves as a useful sorting bin for subjects who presently are children (or who died as children) until it can be sorted to a more specific category.  And such a general child category would obviously be removed (and easy to detect as inapplicable from year of birth categories) once the subject is no longer a child.  So unless it can be shown that there is a marked tendency for Category:Children to be inappropriately added to every biographical article (as everyone was once a child), I don't see a problem here that would outweigh its functionality.  postdlf (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose and Comment - I don't see any more sign of misuse of this category than I did when I clarified the head note 2 years ago. In other words, the vast majority of editors "get" that it's for people whose notability dates to their childhood, regardless of their current age. As far as I can see, there are just a few misplaced articles that should be moved to Category:Childhood. I've seen lots of categories that are in much worse shape than this one. All in all, I think we can probably live with the current name, which has the virtue of simplicity. However, if an additional bit of clarity is deemed desirable, I would prefer Maurreen's suggestion of Category:People notable as children, which is both more concise and inclusive of the kinds of individuals that BGH mentioned. Cgingold (talk) 13:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment -- A better rename might be Category:People notable while children. A headnote should explain the scope of the category, with a cut-off of perhaps age 12, any one older being in a "youth" category.  It should be limited to those who achieved something while a child and are now adults.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


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Football competitions in the Republic of Ireland
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest renaming or deleting the following categories


 * Category:Football competitions in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Association football competitions in the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Defunct football competitions in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Defunct association football competitions in the Republic of Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: Current categories are populated by articles about association football or soccer, so it should be renamed to disambiguate from other football codes in Ireland. The category could not even be accurately populated with other articles about other football codes in Ireland as they are organised on an All-Ireland basis. Djln--Djln (talk) 15:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator, but note that as with the category below, Category:Defunct football competitions in the Republic of Ireland had its parent categories removed and was twice depopulated out-of-process by the nominator. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * REname to distinguish from Gaelic football. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


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League of Ireland Shield
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest deleting the following category


 * Category:League of Ireland Shield
 * Nominator's rationale: Pointless having a category about this defunct competition. Very unlikely to be populated by anything other then article of same name. Djln --Djln (talk) 15:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, but note that the nominator has twice depopulated the category out-of-process (on 27 Feb and 1 March), and twice removed the parent category (on 27 Feb and 1 March), despite being warned in between (here, on 28 Feb to use CFD for deleting categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I cannot see how this subject is likely to be expanded to have more articles than its main one. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


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