Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 9



Category:Songs where title is the only lyrics

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete.  --  X damr  talk 20:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * songs where title is the only lyrics


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Seems to be the exact opposite of, which was deleted here. Equally as trivial and non-defining. — ξ xplicit  23:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. And both created by the same editor?? The relationship of a song's title to its lyrics is not a defining characteristic. It's a trivial factoid. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment, By the same author, so what? See what I have put below, this IS a characteristic of a song in my honest opinion.  --Cexycy (talk) 00:00, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I just thought you might have thought twice about creating it after the previous one was deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well you thought wrong. This has got nothing to do with the other category other than they were both started by me.  Any idiot can tell the difference.  Despite the flack I got from the last category, I bounced back with another idea.  I think you should commend people like that instead of making silly jokes about their efforts.  Don't forget, many Wikipedians like myself do not get paid for this work.  --Cexycy (talk) 23:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you need to calm down and/or lighten up. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I am calm thank you. There is a time and a place for this sort of thing and here is not it.  --Cexycy (talk) 10:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Suggesting that other users might be "idiots" suggested to me a bit of an upset writer. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggested nothing of the sort, just that you should be focusing on the category in question and not something which has been and gone. A couple of people saying that they thought I would not bother again is just absurd.  Can't someone come up with another idea, especially if their first ones were bad?  There's no rules about stopping them here.  --Cexycy (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "This has got nothing to do with the other category other than they were both started by me. Any idiot can tell the difference." To me this seems at least like "something" of the sort. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I used the term idiots loosely, okay replace "idiot" with "person". Any person can tell the difference.  --Cexycy (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, your comments below using the term seem to be a bit more tightly focused, and I'd suggest you avoid suggesting other users are idiots. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. We just need for the complete set of trivia. Occuli (talk) 01:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooooh no, that'd be far from complete. You've forgotten, , , , etc. (Now ... where is WP:BEANS)? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:18, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What about ? Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. And there's also the socially-important . -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
 * There is no need for this childish drivel. Just state your cases for keeping or deleting the category, that's what the discussion is for!  You should all be ashamed of yourselves!  --Cexycy (talk) 23:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as trivial trivia. But it does remind me of the song Lloyd George knew my father. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:18, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Total trivia. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Om! Delete as above.  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * How is it trivia? When you think about it for some of these songs to go to number one despite only using the words in the title, is quite a bit of an achievement.  --Cexycy (talk) 23:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Okay it may sound a little dry for a category, but I honestly believe in this case that this is a notable feature of a song. Two out of the three songs currently in the category made the UK number 1.  Not bad for a song which is very lyrically challeged or lyrically limited.  This categeory really does focus on quite an important part of the songs concerned.  After all, would they be as popular if they did not have this characteristic?  Btw, Lloyd George knew my father would not count as the second line is NOT the title and so on.  It would also be nice if you could take this discussion a little seriously and state why or why not the category should be kept instead of coming up with silly suggestions.  The two I came up with may not be brilliant, but at least the content of them could be easily and clearly determined as being suitable or not, as opposed to silly ones like "Songs whose lyrics I can never remember" and "Songs whose lyrics are only ever remembered by drunk people who can't sing but do".  Come on folks, I never had a dig at you lot!--Cexycy (talk) 23:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Yes, there was a failure of WP:AGF here, but I have to admit I had to bite my knuckles, not to make my own inane suggestion, too, but so soon after the last CfD was closed? You were opening up yourself. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:48, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone with a brain would know that the two categories have nothing really in common (apart from the creator). As I said before just try and appreciate what unpaid work Wikipedians do despite the flack instead of making silly jokes.  I have already stated a reason why this category should be kept, so really you all should challenge this arguement or just shut up.  --Cexycy (talk) 23:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I would complained to Jimbo if you were paid more than me! The arguments against this cat are the same as for your previous creation, but much more so. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see that and I think its very pathetic and immature. This is a discussion on the category itself and not for silly comments about nothing.  --Cexycy (talk) 10:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. This is getting to be Cexycycual harrassment.  Instead of deleting this obviously useful category, why not think of more songs to add.  The Fish (Schindleria Praematurus) probably qualifies, although we might have to change the name to .  And what about Barmy Army (song)?  Oh dear no article for that one.  Sussexonian (talk) 00:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said before, why can't you come up with reasons why the category should be removed instead of absurd comments? --Cexycy (talk) 10:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's the summary of the closure of your last category that was nominated, "The result of the discussion was: delete. While interesting, consensus is that this is trivial, not a defining characteristic, and overcategorization of unrelated subjects by a shared naming characteristic," I suspect the summary will be pretty much the same this time. I think there's your reasons already. Whereas I had a little sympathy for the other category, I have none at all for this one, after all, as every songwriter is taught, "hooks are for hammering" and listing songs where they have done that is trivia to the nth degree. Reason enough for you? --Richhoncho (talk) 10:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well any idiot can write a song of this nature, but it is not any idiot who can make quite successful songs out of doing so! Which is what this category is about.  As mentioned before this category is about such songs which became notable enough to have an article.  --Cexycy (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No more idiotic than the person who continues to fight the battle that is already lost. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't be as idiotic as someone who thinks that adding stupid comments consitutes a reasonable arguement! For your information many songs have the "hooks" hammered frequently, some not at all and very few hammer them all the time, which is what the category is about.  --Cexycy (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's (everyone) stop suggesting that anyone else is an idiot or acting idiotically. Please. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that absurd categories tend to generate absurd comments. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I have already provided a reason why the category should be kept. If you can prove otherwise, please do so, but silly comments do not prove anything.  --Cexycy (talk) 10:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Cexycy, the overwhelming consensus is that the category captures a trivial aspect of a song, just like your previous category based on the relationship between the title and the lyrics. There are many aspects of a song which we could in theory categorise by, but trying to accommodate them all in the category system would cause massive category clutter on articles, as well as becoming a maintenance nightmare. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As I have already stated, for a song to be successful (and therefore notable enough to have its own article) with only the lyrics in the title is quite an achievement and therefore quite a notable feature, thus warrenting a category as such. There's not really that many songs to put in it anyway.  How can you say it is NOT a defining feature?  If the songs contained did NOT have this feature, they would be totally different.  If anything it is MORE defining that being written by someone or the year it was released!  --Cexycy (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I think that I can see where this heading. Please do not follow this by creating Category:Songs which would be totally different if they had different lyrics. Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you REALLY see where this is going? All I can see is this forum being filled up with more and more stupid comments (and not by me).  I have already stated my reasons for this category.  No-one has to agree with me, but no-one has to be funny about it either.   --Cexycy (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as trivial. Debresser (talk) 22:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as a trivial characteristic. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 08:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you read what I've said about it? How can it be trivial?  If anything it is quite notable.  --Cexycy (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I read every word you wrote in this discussion. We don't make categories for every feature of our articles- notice that Category:Redheads is a, well, red link despite most people agreeing hair colour is an important feature of a person.  This should be mentioned in the individual songs articles, not used as a category. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Songs written by Tetsu (musician)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Songs written by Tetsu (musician) to Category:Songs written by Tetsuya (musician).  --  X damr  talk 20:01, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Songs written by Tetsu (musician) to Category:Songs written by Tetsuya (musician)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match name in article, Tetsuya (musician). Richhoncho (talk) 20:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 02:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Songs by a musician that changed his name two times in a decade. Eh... that's actually not unique, is it?  Rename per nom to match the parent, then. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 08:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom to Category:Songs written by Tetsuya (musician), but re-create the old category name as a category redirect, in case people are looking under the old name. Include a headnote in the category to the effect that Tetsuya  was previously known as Tetsu and as TETSU69, or by his birth name of Tetsuya Ogawa. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Munich sports

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge'. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Munich sports to Category:Sport in Munich
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. Svick (talk) 12:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom as duplicate. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom as duplicate. Kingjeff (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the Revolutionary Cells (RZ)

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 * The result of the discussion was: No Consensus.  --  X damr  talk 20:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Members of the Revolutionary Cells (RZ) to Category:Revolutionary Cells (RZ)
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessarily fine division. This category's equivalent on the German Wikipedia has five articles in it, so it's unlikely this category will ever have more than that. Prezbo (talk) 08:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Tend to keep: The RZ had hundreds of members, so proceeding converage may lead to maybe ten articles in this category. The German Wikipedia is not the measure of all things either. While deleting it now and maybe recreating it in a few years wouldn't hurt much, I don't see the necessity. Rather it should be renamed along with its parent category. PanchoS (talk) 11:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess the necessity is that right now Category:Revolutionary Cells (RZ) only contains one article and this category, so it's irritating to navigate. You may be right though.  It probably should be renamed but I'm not sure to what.Prezbo (talk) 12:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:History merge for speedy deletion

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:History merge for speedy deletion to Category:Candidates for history merging.  --  X damr  talk 20:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:History merge for speedy deletion to Category:Candidates for history merging
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match - more followup for Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 28. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:28, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that Category:Candidates for history merges would be clearer, but either option would be an improvement upon the current name. - Eureka Lott 04:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Use "Wikipedia" in the naming, since this is a maintenance category, not a content category. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 04:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nominator. Do not include the word Wikipedia, because that could make it seem that the category is solely for the Wikipedia namespace, which it isn't. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * According to naming guidelines for categories, there is no such requirement that maintenance categories include the word "Wikipedia", only where such is needed to avoid confusion. Debresser (talk) 22:11, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Martin Scorsese Presents the Blues albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * martin scorsese presents the blues albums


 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization of an album "series" with two albums. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, and per WP:OC. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Joujouka

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 * The result of the discussion was: at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 17. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Joujouka to Category:Jajouka
 * Nominator's rationale: Confusing to relate, so please just see Jajouka (which is an article), Category:Jajouka (the parent of this category), and Joujouka (a dab page.) Simply put, there is too much overlap and the names are confusingly similar. Since they're tranlisterated from Arabic, there is every chance that they are actually identical anyway. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They are the same indeed and it is a long story (see user:FayssalF/JK)! I'd suggest you contact user:Catalpa and user:BKLisenbee as they may have something to say. -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  14:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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