Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 May 19



Category:20th-century fiction writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:20th-century fiction writers to Category:20th-century writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Currently a single entry category where the proposed target is the only valid parent category. The others are redlinked.  I'm not convinced that we currently need this category. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. Given its single entry and redlinks, upmerge.  Mayumashu (talk) 20:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:Non-fiction writers by century needs to be upmerged too - I will nominate this tree in the upcoming days Mayumashu (talk) 23:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:20th-century women writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. —  ξ xplicit  02:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:20th-century women writers to Category:20th-century writers and Category:20th-century women and Category:Women writers (modern period)
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. I think this is another of the by century categories that can be deleted with the contents being moved to other categories. I think that we may be better served in the long run if we don't upmerge to Category:20th-century women, but I have included that as a recommended target. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See other discussions 1, 2, 3, 4. While not the same, they are in my opinion similar enough. Being part of a series was not an impediment for deletion or upmerging.Vegaswikian (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of the established tree Category:Women writers by century Mayumashu (talk) 20:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The plan to make Category:20th-century women a "container" category implies the few and major subcats there would be kept. There isn't any reason I see to remove Category:20th-century women writers. User talk:Carlaude 04:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep to go with the 18th, 19th & 21st century categories in Women Writers (modern period) Hugo999 (talk) 01:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Latin writers

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 May 29. —  ξ xplicit  02:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming

(other sub-cats can be done speedily, by precedent, should this nomination go through)
 * Category:Latin writers to Category:Writers in Latin
 * Category:Latin writers by era to Category:Writers by Latin by era (??? "in" Latin surely?? Delete this if changed)
 * Category:Old Latin writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin (Old Latin)
 * Category:Classical Latin writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin (Classical Latin)
 * ***Category:Modern Latin writers to Category:Writers in Modern Latin (Modern Latin redirects to New Latin however, perhaps should be merged into Category:Writers of New Latin)
 * Category:Late antique Latin writers to Category:Writers in Late Antique Latin ('Late Antique' being, I think, the proper adjective for 'Late Antiquity' - Late Antique Latin)
 * Category:Medieval Latin writers to Category:Writers in Medieval Latin (Medieval Latin)
 * Category:Renaissance Latin writers to Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin (Renaissance Latin)
 * Category:New Latin writers to Category:Writers in New Latin (New Latin)
 * Category:19th-century Latin writers to Category:19th-century writers in Latin
 * Category:18th-century Latin writers to Category:18th-century writers in Latin
 * Category:17th-century Latin writers to Category:17th-century writers in Latin
 * Category:16th-century Latin writers to Category:16th-century writers in Latin


 * Nominator's rationale: current name lacks clarity somewhat - rename adds clarity and remains brief Mayumashu (talk) 19:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Question on why you are not suggesting that all of the new categories use New Latin? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * On that any Latin of these centuries was (by default) New Latin, I assume. I didn t create them so I m not certain. Mayumashu (talk) 19:55, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm leaning to just upmerge all of the Category:xxth-century Latin writers to Category:Writers in New Latin. Given the rest of this structure, I'm not convinced that we need by century in that one area. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I didn t get the top of the tree - expanding this nomination now to include all top branches Mayumashu (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And, I notice now that Category:Writers by language (which wasn t linked to Category:Latin writers - I ve linked it) follow are Category:English-language writers and not Category:Writers in English etc., so the other viable alternative, perhaps more so, would be Category:Latin-language writers, Category:Classical Latin-language writers etc. I would say. I d support either pattern. Mayumashu (talk) 20:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * What is the point of this name change? Is there any evidence that anybody has actually misunderstood the meaning of these categories?  What exactly *is* the 'lack of clarity' that is being targeted by this renaming? RandomCritic (talk) 21:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Writers about Latin (history, culture, language); writers who are Latin (Latin American, Latin European, Roman) or writers who write whatever in Latin. That the writers are the third type is my first guess, but it is a guess Mayumashu (talk) 23:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Latin" by itself doesn't have any of those meanings; it refers solely and distinctively to the language. Therefore no guesswork is necessary. RandomCritic (talk) 13:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * comment. I'm confused by the very existence of "cat:Latin writers" for Middle Ages and up to the 19th century. Latin was the recognized language of science, a mandatory part of university programs (or even the language of universities, not to mention the Church), so properly populating these categories will inflate them to an unmanageable size. Is it possible to draw the line between "writing in Latin" = defining feature and "writing in Latin" = following corporate standard? East of Borschov (talk) 06:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:People from Las Vegas, Nevada

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ xplicit  02:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Las Vegas, Nevada to Category:People from the Las Vegas metropolitan area
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The contents are mostly not from the City of Las Vegas. They are people from the metro area.  Once this is moved, I'll recreate the category and move back in the few articles that can be clearly identified as having come from the city or notable for something in the city.  Note that having a Las Vegas mailing address does not mean that you live in the city.  Further note that news sources and GPSs do not distinguish between the city and the surrounding communities instead dumping everything into Las Vegas.  Vegaswikian (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support nom. and welcome ones of this nature for the American context - I suspect there are more Mayumashu (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The biggest part of making this happen on a broader basis is that someone may need to know specifics about where the person is actually from. In parts of the country where everything is incorporated and a specific citation is available, then this type of change can happen.  That is especially true if you have subcategories that can be included.  While a good idea, it may not gain general traction. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, where the sources are vague, by metro area needs to be the first priority, as is the basis of this nom. Up till now we ve tended to cat people in the States by metro area but werent calling it that in the naming of our cat pages.  Then where we have the specifics, as we have them, go with them.  A big one is where counties are within a metro area and people are listed by those counties, then we can have appropriate sub-catting Mayumashu (talk) 00:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you need a headache, look at Category:People from Los Angeles County, California, Category:People from the Greater Los Angeles Area and Category:People from Los Angeles, California. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


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Sub-cats of 19th-century newspaper publishers (people)

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 May 29. —  ξ xplicit  02:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging the following:


 * Category:19th-century British newspaper publishers (people)
 * Category:19th-century Canadian newspaper publishers (people)
 * Category:19th-century Italian newspaper publishers (people)
 * Category:19th-century Russian newspaper publishers (people)

to and respectively
 * Category:19th-century newspaper publishers (people)
 * Category:British newspaper publishers (people) and Category:19th-century British people
 * Category:Canadian newspaper publishers (people) ('Canada the country' only existed from 1867)
 * Category:Italian newspaper publishers (people) and Category:19th-century Italian people
 * Category:Russian newspaper publishers (people) and Category:19th-century Russian people


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC as it stands - such detailed category trees don t exist presently Mayumashu (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * comment. Should Category:British newspaper publishers (people) of the 18th century belong here too or, if not, what's the rationale for keeping it? Same Q for Category:American newspaper publishers (people) of the 17th century, Category:American newspaper publishers (people) of the 18th century. East of Borschov (talk) 07:30, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'm not supporting by-century grading at all. Is Napoleon a man of the 18th century or of the 19th? Both? what a mess. East of Borschov (talk) 07:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:19th-century American businesspeople

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 May 29. —  ξ xplicit  02:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging the following


 * Category:19th-century American newspaper founders
 * Category:19th-century American railroad executives
 * Category:19th-century American newspaper publishers (people)

to ... and respectively
 * Category:19th-century American businesspeople
 * Category:American newspaper founders
 * Category:American railroad executives
 * Category:American newspaper publishers (people)


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:Overcategorization as per nom. below however suggest starting Category:19th-century American businesspeople as there were a lot of prominent, notable businesspeople then as the world of business was opening up, especially in the U.S. - 250 odd railway execs alone and over 140 paper publishers.  Mayumashu (talk) 16:08, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hold on with publishers. Are you confident that they all qualify primarily as businesspeople, rather than editors, men of letters etc.? Should L. Frank Baum be labelled a businessman? That is, upmerge and thoroughly clean it up. East of Borschov (talk) 07:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:19th-century German philosophers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. —  ξ xplicit  02:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:19th-century German philosophers to Category:19th-century philosophers,Category:German philosophers, and Category:19th-century German people (omitted at first)
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC - no precedent for this particular triple intersection of century, nationality, and occupation (no Category:German philosophers by century, Category:19th-century German people by century and Category:19th-century philosophers by nationality) and there probably doesnt need to be, at least at this point Mayumashu (talk) 13:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Upmerge, but also to Category:19th-century German people (there is Category:German people by century). Occuli (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * True enough - support Mayumashu (talk) 14:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


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Lists of settlements

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename both. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of settlements to Category:Lists of populated places
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of settlements in Greece to Category:Lists of populated places in Greece
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Following lots of "populated places" renames.--Mike Selinker (talk) 05:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support nom. as per recent overhaul Mayumashu (talk) 19:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Blues Brothers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all; the new name of is . עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Blues Brothers images to Category:The Blues Brothers images
 * Propose renaming Category:Blues Brothers to Category:The Blues Brothers
 * Propose renaming Category:Blues Brothers songs to Category:The Blues Brothers songs
 * Propose renaming Category:Blues Brothers albums to Category:The Blues Brothers albums
 * Nominator's rationale: per main article, The Blues Brothers. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support except it should be Category:Images of The Blues Brothers per Category:Images of musical groups (recent cfd). Occuli (talk) 01:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support nom. and Occuli's amendment Mayumashu (talk) 19:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


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