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Category:Military history of the FARC-EP

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Courcelles (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Military history of the FARC-EP to Category:Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia
 * Nominator's rationale: This category does not facilitate navigation between related articles. There is no pressing need to subdivide Category:Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, which contains only 37 articles, and merging the two articles in this category (one of which already is in the parent too) will not change that. As for the other parent, Category:Military history of Colombia, I note that it serves as a parent to Category:Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia also. If there is no consensus to merge, then rename to expand the abbreviation. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Image-Class articles

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 July 3 by . —  ξ xplicit  20:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Image-Class articles to Category:File-Class articles
 * Nominator's rationale: The Image: namespace was renamed to File: more than a year ago, and it is only natural that this namespace-based assessment be updated (also, these categories may contain multiple types of media and are not limited to images only, so 'File-Class' is more encompassing and more accurate). If there is consensus in this discussion to merge, then I will write a follow-up speedy renaming nomination for the 712 subcategories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment shouldn't File class be split into Image, Sound, Video, etc? (Perhaps this should be a proposal at Village Pump / WikiProject Council ... for additional classes) 76.66.193.224 (talk) 05:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Discussion of that idea at a more general venue might be useful, but I don't think there is a need for such splitting (at least in the context of general project assessments). A WikiProject dedicated to improving, finding, or creating images, sounds and/or videos may find it useful to tag only certain types of files, but I don't think general projects would have a need to do this. -- Black Falcon (talk) 07:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I should point out my nomination of this same category in the past. — ξ xplicit  01:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for linking to the previous discussion. It seems that there was general support for the nomination, but moderated by three concerns: unforseen factors (BrownHairedGirl); flexibility for WikiProjects (Martin, Optigan13); and proper follow-through (Happy-melon, Martin, Optigan13). I think it would be worthwhile (for the benefit of the closer and anyone else who participates) to re-address each concern in light of the discussion at the previous CfD:
 * To the best of my knowledge, the Image-Class categories are not functionally different than the File-Class categories (there may or may not be one or two exceptions). The comments in the 23 February discussion appear to reinforce this belief, as does the lack of objections at the discussion which you initiated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council.
 * Any WikiProject which wishes to separate categorization of images and other files can do so by one of several means: creating Image-Class as a subcategory of File-Class; using unique sort keys for certain types of files so that they are grouped together at the beginning or end of a general category for files; or creating specialized, project-specific categories such as Category:WikiProject Foo sounds or Category:Foo audio files.
 * If there is consensus to change Image-Class to File-Class, I think proper follow-through will involve three steps: speedy renaming the subcategories (Cydebot will create the categories and a change to WPBannerMeta will take care of the rest); updating incoming links to avoid disruption to WikiProjects; and handling any exceptions that come to light. I am prepared to implement each step; as you did, I nominated only the parent category so that I wouldn't needlessly tag 700+ categories only to discover that there is no consensus for the change. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and the previous discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


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History of association football by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all as nominated. —  ξ xplicit  06:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:History of Danish football to Category:History of football in Denmark
 * Category:History of Dutch football to Category:History of football in the Netherlands
 * Category:History of English football to Category:History of football in England
 * Category:History of German football to Category:History of football in Germany
 * Category:History of Israeli football to Category:History of football in Israel
 * Category:History of Italian football to Category:History of football in Italy
 * Category:History of Malaysian football to Category:History of football in Malaysia
 * Category:History of Maltese football to Category:History of football in Malta
 * Category:History of Scottish football to Category:History of football in Scotland
 * Category:History of Turkish football to Category:History of football in Turkey
 * Category:History of Welsh football to Category:History of football in Wales
 * Category:History of Irish football to Category:History of association football in Ireland or Category:History of association football in the Republic of Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: To clarify that Fooian football is not a unique variant of football (cf. American football, Australian rules football). For all of the involved countries, with the exception of Ireland, the top-level association football category is Category:Football in Foo. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Use 'association football' instead of 'football', yeilding Category:History of association football in Denmark or Category:History of (association) football in Denmark etc.  Category page naming does not follow WP:Common name, otherwise Category:Canadian ice hockey players would be Category:Canadian hockey players and Category:English field hockey players would be Category:English hockey players.   As for the Ireland category, rename to Category:History of association football in Ireland yielding a supracategory for the island as a whole - Category:History of association football in Northern Ireland and Category:History of association football in the Republic of Ireland can be created later and added as supcats Mayumashu (talk) 23:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There may be merit to the idea of using association football, but it involves a change that should be carried out for the entire national category tree or not at all. It would be natural to have as a subcategory of  or  as a subcategory of, but it is counterintuitive to have  as a subcategory of . -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right - a move to go with 'assocation football' across the board needs to be from the parents down - support rename Mayumashu (talk) 01:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Use whatever is used in the other parent: eg it is Category:Football in Scotland so use Category:History of football in Scotland. Occuli (talk) 02:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The usages are mixed up and down the category trees, certainly for Scotland, my main interest. "... football in Scotland" implies a geographical unity, which isn't the case when one considers Berwick Rangers F.C. - geographically in England but playing in the SFL. Note also the article Scotch Professors, again disturbing the geographical focus. Welsh football is probably no clearer, with Cardiff City F.C. and Llanelli A.F.C. in different league systems. AllyD (talk) 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename as nom. There is no need to add "association" except in countries where another form of football is played, so that the plain "football" is ambiguous.  This is an old argument, which we have had many times.  In Ireland, they also play Gaelic football; in Australia, Australian rules football; and in USA, football primarily means American football.  As the categories are currently set up it sounds as if English, Danish, and Maltese football are different sports (which they are not).  An "in England" category may (not quite logically) include the exploits of the England team abroad or of foreign teams playing in England, but I doubt that matters.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Organized crime associates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The subcategories- none of which will become orphans by this deletion- would need to be nominated separately. Courcelles (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * organized crime associates


 * Nominator's rationale: BLP issues. This is the kind of description that's OK in an article, where it can be explained how someone is associated with organised crime and supported with references, but dangerous as a category. 'Associates' is too vague: it could mean a very strong connection, or a weak one. It seems too easy to imply illegal activity by adding someone to this category. I advise deleting it and its subcategories and merging its members (when it is uncontroversial that they are involved in organised crime) into better defined categories. Robofish (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As an example, take one of the people in a subcategory of this one: Giulio Andreotti. Read his article, and tell me, does he belong in this category or not? I think that shows the basic problem with it. Robofish (talk) 20:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the article has citations showing he was very much associated with the Mafia until he changed his mind went against it. Hmains (talk) 02:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - "associates" is far too weak a term to be a defining characteristic and instead runs the danger of serving as biographical taint. AllyD (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. The subcategories need to be tagged. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've often thought these categories are vague and too imprecise to be of worth. The subcategories are still not tagged, but they should be properly nominated and deleted, IMO. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Internet albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —  ξ xplicit  06:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Internet albums to Category:???
 * Nominator's rationale: There has to be a better name than this. Category:Albums distributed digitally is somewhat better, but a bit cumbersome and it has the same ambiguity that the current name has&mdash;hundreds of thousands of albums have been released digitally/through the Internet. As the inclusion criteria listed in the category's introduction makes clear, this is intended only for albums that were primarily released via the Internet, but Category:Albums released primarily through the Internet is even more awkward. Thoughts? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Does this category even need to exist? This could be every album in a couple of years. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 03:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Right now it seems to be largely a parent category for albums available only over the Internet (which is, of course, different from albums distributed digitally, which every CD is an example of, being a digital, rather than analog, format). "Internet-only albums" might be a better title or maybe "Albums legally available only via download."  More important than the title, though, is the fact that many of the individual entries should be in Category:Albums free for download by copyright owner, but are wrongly- or double-listed.  For example, Machina is double-listed, while U2.COMmunication seems to be a physical CD with a bonus CD-ROM that is activated over the Internet, hardly what's meant by the category.  Reorganization should be just as much a priority as renaming.  If we get to a point where online distribution of notable albums without physical distribution is common, this can be recategorized according to time period. Calbaer (talk) 23:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. Based on Such albums can be sold online in the introduction.  While it may be possible to create some kind of a category in this area, the scope and focus needs to be clearly defined.  I'm not sure that keeping the existing category will save much effort since the current criteria unbounded.  Since every album is sold online (look at amazon and e-bay) it effectively makes the category pointless. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Electronic music compilation albums

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 June 11. —  ξ xplicit  06:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Electronic music compilation albums to Category:Electronic compilation albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Per parent, Category:Electronic albums, not Category:Electronic music albums. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

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 * Comment The name "Electronic music" covers a diversity of musics, which is reflected in the existence of the Electronic music (disambiguation) page. The content of the Category:Electronic music compilation albums is rather lacking on the Stockhausens and Orams; maybe this category should be named to follow one of the more specific pages referenced from the Disambiguation page - Electronic dance music or Electronica? AllyD (talk) 22:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


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Category:Dance music by sub-genre
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Dance music by sub-genre to Category:Dance music by subgenre
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Subgenre is not hyphenated. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles (talk) 05:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities to Category:National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities members
 * Nominator's rationale: The category title is unclear. Currently the category is used for members of the NAICU, the category title should reflect that. If necessary, a new NAICU category can be created for articles directly related to the NAICU. TorriTorri(talk/contribs) 17:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I created the category and agree with the nominator's rationale. - Masonpatriot (talk) 19:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Comics article redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 June 11. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  06:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * comics article redirects (and subcategories)


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Hopelessly over-categorised redirects. Merge to normal redriect category structure Rich Farmbrough, 14:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC).


 * Query – what is wrong with (say) Category:Comics redirects to sections and where does the nom propose that it should be merged? And how is Gifted (comics) (say) over-categorised? Occuli (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment isn't this redundant with ? 76.66.193.224 (talk) 03:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Syringogastridae
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 * The result of the discussion was: Already deleted under CSD G7. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * syringogastridae


 * Nominator's rationale: I built this category yesterday, but was only able to find one valid article. Article has been moved back to parent category. Dawynn (talk) 10:24, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Qualifies for speedy deletion under CSD G7. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:32, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Simian characters in comics
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  06:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Simian characters in comics to Category:Gorilla characters in comics
 * Nominator's rationale: The main article is Gorillas in comics, and nearly all the many articles there in are already gorillas (mostly modified with a human-level mind). Even the so-called Monkeyman and O'Brien and Grease Monkey are really about gorillas, not monkeys. This will also let it fit under Category:Gorillas and Category:Fictional apes much better. (Monkeys are not apes.) User talk:Carlaude 22:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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 * Comments – we have Category:Fictional non-human primates which suggests the subcat Category:Fictional non-human primates in comics (there is no Category:Simians). Quite a few of the articles seem to me to be about monkeys rather than gorillas, eg Beppo (comics). There is no Category:Fictional gorillas either. Certainly the parent categories are mostly wrong and the structure is a mess, so I agree that something needs to be done. Occuli (talk) 15:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * While Category:Fictional non-human primates in comics would be a little bit better that the current name, there are only 2 or 3 monkeys/non-gorillas out of 28 in the category, so making it for "non-human primates" would make it less useful than just "gorillas."
 * Also, it would seem a Category:Fictional gorillas, could be rather useful too, as most of the items in Category:Fictional apes (that aren't in a sub-category there of) are in fact gorillas. (Fictional chimpanzees have there own category, and there are only about two fictional orangutans and zero gibbons with there own articles). User talk:Carlaude 17:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support If we need more categories to create an appropriate tree, let's create them. "Simian" may be a correct biological term, but it is not a common English adjective.  The common word is gorilla.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia content guidelines
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to take any action. A subsequent nomination can be made if needed. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  20:15, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia content guidelines to Category:Wikipedia article content guidelines
 * Nominator's rationale: Dab to avoid confusion with Wikipedia project content  such as user pages ,templates and categories Gnevin (talk) 10:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC) Gnevin (talk) 10:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * But many of the pages in that category are about project content. For example, Non-free content and User pages. If you really want to rename the category you will have to move such pages into another category first. Gurch (talk) 14:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:Wikipedia project content guidelines. I've removed what I think is project content Gnevin (talk) 18:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see that category being confused with Wikipedia Project guidelines such as MILHIST and getting polluted; a better name would have been Category:Wikipedia non-article guidelines or some such. An I don't understand Spam only in that category, as it applies to all pages. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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Category:Portal:24
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  A merge can be considered in a further nomination, should anyone wish to pursue it.  Courcelles (talk) 05:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Portal:24 to Category:24 portal
 * Nominator's rationale: To match other portal categories, such as Category:Chess portal. Wouldn't oppose merging into Category:Television portals. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Template:Swiss populations data
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles (talk) 05:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Template:Swiss populations data to Category:Swiss populations data templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Avoid double prefix, "Category:Template". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with this. The category only exists to collect the templates and isn't used in any articles. Tobyc75 (talk) 13:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


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