Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 October 4



Category:Texts related to the history of the internet

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Texts related to the history of the Internet. Consensus is there for the spelling.  While there appears to be a consensus that there is a better name, no name is emerging.  A follow on rename to replace 'texts' can be made. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Texts related to the history of the internet to [ [:Category:Books relating to the history of the Internet]] something else. see discussion
 * Nominator's rationale: Upper case on "Internet" appears to be the convention. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support for consistency. &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 20:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoa there with the "Texts" -> "Books". Category presently contains several things that aren't books, so this would be a change of scope, and at first blush not a helpful one, I don't think. &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. How about "Literature"? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I like "texts", really. :) Literature is an awfully loaded word, and "texts" does a lot less inviting of POV-heavy fractiousness. &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 20:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Upper case on Internet. Agree with chaos5023 that "books" is not appropriate. How about documents? -Classicfilms (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Peabody Conservatory of Music alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 14:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Peabody Conservatory of Music alumni to Category:Peabody Institute alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Category title should match that of the parent article Peabody Institute. Alansohn (talk) 19:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support -- The alumni category should use the institution's official name. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Sieges involving Rome

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 14:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sieges involving Rome to Category:Sieges involving ancient Rome
 * Nominator's rationale: Only being used for ancient, not medieval or modern Rome. Including "ancient" would make it consistent with e.g. Category:Military history of ancient Rome. TheGrappler (talk) 14:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  20:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Battles involving Rome

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 14:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles involving Rome to Category:Battles involving ancient Rome
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is currently only being used for ancient Rome (not medieval or indeed modern Rome). Adding "ancient" would be consistent with e.g. Category:Military of ancient Rome, Military history of ancient Rome. TheGrappler (talk) 14:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  20:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


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Tennis tournaments in the United States: Virginia Slims series

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and modify articles.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

The following four categories with only one 1985 article each for WTA women’s tournaments in various states and Washington DC should be merged into the existing categories with the full name Virginia Slims instead of VS, which have the majority of articles for these and other states for the Virginia Slims tournaments. These 1985 articles should also be in Category:1985 Virginia Slims World Championship Series and the article titles altered fron VS to Virginia Slims (requiring some infoboxes to be amended).
 * Propose merging
 * Category:VS of Dallas to Category:Virginia Slims of Dallas
 * Category:VS of Florida to Category:Virginia Slims of Florida
 * Category:VS of Pennsylvania to Category:Virginia Slims of Pennsylvania
 * Category:VS of Washington to Category:Virginia Slims of Washington
 * they are all subcategories of Category:Tennis tournaments in the United States Hugo999 (talk) 10:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Renames to match titles used in articles. Alansohn (talk) 19:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Cricketers who committed suicide

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Dana boomer (talk) 14:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * cricketers who committed suicide


 * Nominator's rationale: This seems like one of those "random intersection" type of categories. Take two random facts that all these individuals have in common and categorize them by it. I don't think this cat is particularly useful for navigating, and seems to imply a connection where none has been established. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. I can't really disagree with what the nominator has said, but isn't this a more broad problem involving and indeed, the entire  tree? Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Previous CFD ("keep") is here - and I'd suggest same result again. No superior category scheme has been suggested. Strangely, I was using this category a few weeks ago while researching rates of suicide in different sports - cricket is well-known to have a very high suicide rate, several times greater than for the general male population, which is the subject of ongoing research. Several books have been published on the subject, most famously Silence of the Heart: Cricket Suicides by David Frith. It's possible that some of the causes of death/occupation intersections are genuinely random, but suicide by occupation is a known research area, and suicide by cricketers has been subject to research notable in its own right (have no doubt that at least one WP article will be produced on it at some point - and possibly several, since there may be room for an overview article on the phenomenon, a separate list of victims, and articles for the critically-reviewed books on the subject). TheGrappler (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep defining and part of the wider scheme of Category:Sportspeople who committed suicide.  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:28, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It is hard to believe that the category would be so large, but there are more than enough articles here to make this an effective aid to navigation. Alansohn (talk) 19:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per TheGrappler, doesn't seem like this intersection is as random as it might appear. &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 20:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Question Is sportspeople and suicide a notable intersection, particualrly where the suicide is long after retirement from sport. If not we should not only delete this, but fell the whole tree.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Telephone history

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk)
 * Propose renaming Category:Telephone history to Category:History of the telephone
 * Nominator's rationale: To follow convention. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support to pass in the "History of ..." muster. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  20:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Telecommunications history

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk)
 * Propose renaming Category:Telecommunications history to Category:History of telecommunications
 * Nominator's rationale: To follow convention. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support to pass in the "History of ..." muster. Armbrust  Talk  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  20:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Police officers convicted of armed robbery
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 14:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Police officers convicted of armed robbery to Category:Police officers convicted of robbery
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. In some criminal jurisdictions, "armed robbery" is a subtype of the crime of "robbery". Some jurisdictions have no subtype called "armed robbery"--in these jurisdictions, if a weapon is used, that is what makes the crime "robbery" as opposed to "theft" or "burglary". I see no reason to make this category more specific than it needs to be to cover the basic idea and renaming it would expand its coverage to include those committed of "robbery" but not "armed robbery". Note that armed robbery redirects to robbery. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename as nom. In my country "robbery" involves violence or a threat of it.  However the distinction between robberies with a weapon and those without is too fine to be useful.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


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Upmerge suggestion
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  01:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

* Category:People from Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania
 * Category:People from Luzerne County, Pennsylvania
 * Category:People from Scranton, Pennsylvania
 * Category:People from Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
 * Category:People from Wyoming County, Pennsylvania
 * UPMERGE above constituents parts to all-encompassing Category:People from the Scranton–Wilkes-Barre metropolitan area
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge constituent parts into all-encompassing category. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 00:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep all as part of, a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, which is an exception to WP:OC. Oh, and none of the categories are tagged as required. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  00:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. Sorry. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 00:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * GOOD-FAITH SUGGESTION ON UPMERGING WITHDRAWN. It seemed like a good idea at the time but I am persuaded by ξ''' <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit 's argument(s). Thank you. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 00:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


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