Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 20



Category:E4 original characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * e4 original characters


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Intended to include fictional characters that appear on shows produced for British TV channel E4. This is not a meaningful categorization. Pichpich (talk) 22:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete A precedent for creating categories of original characters of NBC would be established and every other television network if we were to let this one exist.Curb Chain (talk) 11:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete this very specific identifying of exactly where characters were originally created doew not seem useful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:46, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


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Category:"Dual Olympics"

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dual Olympics competitors to "Category:To be decided"
 * Propose renaming Category:Dual Olympics medalists to "Category:To be decided"
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The semantics aren't clear - it looks to mean "competitors in the 'Dual Olympics', whatever the 'Dual Olympics' are. The intended meaning is a category for individuals who have competed in both the Summer and Winter Olympics.  Rename to Category:Competitors in both the Summer and Winter Olympics? (Is it clear from this name that the minimum for inclusion (just) is having competed in one summer one and one winter one?)  Mayumashu (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:People who have competed at both the Summer and Winter Olympics.  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to include "both the Summer and Winter Olympics" – the present name might include people who have competed in 2 different disciplines. Occuli (talk) 10:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Like Lugnuts alternative. Although probably should be named Athletes who have competed.... Globalwheels (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete This seems to be a trivial intersection. We categorize people by specific olympic competitions they were in and specific olympics they were in.  I do not see the need for this intersection category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:24, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per John. I don't see the need for this intersection category. Each bio article of a "dual" Olympics competitor can be adequately categorized within our existing structure, and the fact they've been in a winter and summer game should be mentioned in the article. That's sufficient.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Change from rename to delete Agree with John and Shawn - this probably isn't best suited to a category at all.  Lugnuts  (talk) 06:59, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Germanic Romans

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting germanic romans


 * Nominator's rationale: Confusing category, its content is well covered by Category:Ancient Germanic people, where there is a big room. Brand meister  t   18:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete The ancient Germanic category works. This category is not needed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:25, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge Since the only ancient Germans we know about are from Roman records, Category:Ancient Germanic people is all we need. Johnbod (talk) 04:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Ecological cycles

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2D. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ecological cycles to Category:Biogeochemical cycle
 * Nominator's rationale: to match the main article. The category page itself has nothing in the way of explaining the entry criteria.Curb Chain (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


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Category Battles of Russian Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2D. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of Russian Civil War to Category:Battles of the Russian Civil War
 * Nominator's rationale: The definite article (the) is required in the title. Hugo999 (talk) 14:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename – true. Occuli (talk) 14:53, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename. There is the subcategory Category:Battles of the Russian Civil War involving the United States. -DePiep (talk) 17:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per nom. Tim! (talk) 08:02, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, could be a speedy. Just language. Hugo999, it's yours. -DePiep (talk) 10:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


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Categories User Latn and User Latn-N

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:User Latn and Category:User Latn-N
 * Nominators rationale: These are categories in a series filled automatically by Userboxes on script knowledge (see also for example Category:User Cyrl). This being the English Wikipedia, categorising Users with knowledge of Latin script is overdone. Therefor, when using the Userbox with "Latn" it is exempted from categorisation. So the reasonable logic is coded in the template: I'd call that consensus. The category should not exist. Still, two users are in this category. One has used the wrong Userbox, the other one has hardcoded this category in their userpage. These two users would end up with a red Category link. -DePiep (talk) 11:16, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


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Category:People from San Antonio

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People from San Antonio to Category:People from San Antonio, Chile
 * Nominator's rationale: Confusing with San Antonio, Texas. Already corrected those from Texas who were erroneously listed there. But category needs to be more geographic specific Maile66 (talk) 22:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure if this worked correctly, but there is an existing Category:People from San Antonio that is not specific enough. It seems to have been set up for the San Antonio in Chile.Maile66 (talk) 22:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Amd there are many other places called San Antonio. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename – and make Category:People from San Antonio into a dab category (eg Category:People from Birmingham, which invariably has an occupant or 2). Occuli (talk) 09:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Alternative rename to Category:People from San Antonio, San Antonio Province, and have a dab cat, as suggested by User:Occuli. The convention is not to disambiguate with the name of the country when the name of the state, county, provinice, etc. will work (as seen on Category:People from Birmingham dab cat.) - there is only one San Antonio Province worldwide.  Mayumashu (talk) 19:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A good idea, but the problem is that some people will see the "San Antonio, San Antonio" and still assume it's their local San Antonio. Not everyone will understand about "Province" with the same name. Especially if they're using Hot Cat to add the category.Maile66 (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * the goal of disambiguating is not to make things dumb-proof, nor is our job here to try to anticipate what dumb or careless people with do Mayumashu (talk) 23:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * But the name of this city is San Antonio, Chile. Occuli (talk) 00:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And the article page for Birmingham, West Midlands is at Birmingham - article pages and cat pages can have different names, as WP:Commonname, in practice, is more applicable to article naming than cat naming. Mayumashu (talk) 13:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * But Birmingham is ambiguous (except in England and Alabama) whereas San Antonio, Chile is not. Occuli (talk) 08:00, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is very surprising that San Antonio is the Texas one; this considerably over-estimates the global fame of the place. Occuli (talk) 11:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename as nominated. I'd prefer to match this to the article name San Antonio, Chile. Perhaps there is a legitimate argument for renaming the article? Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC)'''
 * Rename per nom. San Antonio, Texas has 1.33 million people, San Antonio, Chile has less than 100,000 people.  This is the English-language wikipedia, so we would expect places in English-speaking countries to be the ones designated first by a name.  However, I doubt any other San Antonio has nearly the international recognition of San Antonio, Texas.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


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