Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 December 24



Foo in film and television

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 * The result of the discussion was: Split. Timrollpickering (talk) 02:20, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Vampires in film and television to Category:Vampires in film and Category:Vampires in television
 * Propose splitting Category:Werewolves in film and television to Category:Werewolves in film and Category:Werewolves in television
 * Nominator's rationale: Split. The other categories are split into separate television and film categories. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:United States Navy submarine chasers

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. This will clearly not be the only USN ships category with a different format.--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy submarine chasers to Category:Submarine chasers of the United States Navy
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a previous objected speedy. The objection was three-parted: one, "submarine chaser" was a strictly U.S. term, two, the "Y X" format was preferred, and three, that "Submarine chasers of Foo" was confusing in that people might think it was "chasers that are submarines". The third objection fails WP:COMMONSENSE, this is now the only remaining ships-by-navy-and-type subcategory (that I know of, at least) of Category:Ships by navy that is not "X of Y" format, and as for the first, I have since found other navies using subchasers, with both the Japanese and Soviet Navies expliticly using the term to refer to their own home-built ships (vs. transferred USN ships). Bottom line: there's no reason for this category not to be X of Y like all of the rest. The Bushranger One ping only 20:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename – I never followed the objections to this sort of rename. Occuli (talk) 20:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:United States ships involved in the siege of Fort Fisher N.C.

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 04:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * united states ships involved in the siege of fort fisher n.c.


 * Nominator's rationale: Wow, this seems overly specific. If kept, it should be renamed as Category:Ships of the Union Navy involved in the siege of Fort Fisher, N.C.. But I don't see any categories like this anywhere.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - clear WP:OC. This would make a nice list, but is hardly defining as a category. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:United States Navy ships transferred to other navies

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy ships transferred to other navies to Category:Ships transferred from the United States Navy to other navies
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy ships transferred to the United States Coast Guard to Category:Ships transferred from the United States Navy to the United States Coast Guard
 * Nominator's rationale: Per nominations like this, all US Navy categories now are of the "(X) of the United States Navy" format. I think this suggested format has a better sequence, as it no longer suggests that the ships in question remain USN ships. There are lots of subcategories, which can get speedily renamed if this passes.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:08, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support for clarity. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support the change but I still find it hard to know why the category is of any use it doesnt appear to be used for any other Navy. MilborneOne (talk) 15:26, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably because there's a stupendous number of former USN ships transferred, and many fewer for other navies. (But it probably should be listified at some point, regardless.) - The Bushranger One ping only 20:53, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support for clarity. —Stepheng3 (talk) 05:08, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Rio Grande basin

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rio Grande basin to Category:Drainage basins of the Rio Grande
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match parent category Category:Drainage basins of the Gulf of Mexico. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak objection: "Rio Grande basin" would be the WP:COMMONNAME, I believe. But is there a reason this category should even be kept? - The Bushranger One ping only 23:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep of the other basins that are so designated, virtually all are named with basin, I think there might be one other named as a drainage basin. Much more common is watershed, but if we think that all should change from basin to watershed, we should at least discuss all the basins at once, so I will not make any comment on that issue at the present.  It would be heldful if someone made a parent article on Rio Grande basin.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of Philippines

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of Philippines to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of the Philippines
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. to match Wikipedia requested photographs in the Philippines naming convention. Traveler100 (talk) 11:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Annie albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Annie albums to Category:Annie (Norwegian singer) albums and Category:Annie songs to Category:Annie (Norwegian singer) songs.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:38, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Convert the following categories to article Annie discography:


 * Category:Annie albums
 * Category:Annie songs
 * Nominator's rationale: Convert. The primary topic, Annie (Norwegian singer), has multiple articles (some are individual articles dedicated to questionably notable releases), two low-population categories, and a dedicated navbox; all of which cross-reference each other and contain the same information. This seems redundant and excessive for an artist that is notable only in a very small slice of electronic music subgenres. The heart of my proposal(s) are to keep the main article Annie (Norwegian singer), then merge all of the individual song articles and the two categories (Category:Annie songs and Category:Annie albums), into the discography article:Annie discography. — bllix (talk) 11:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * comment if kept these should be renamed, since Annie (singer) has multiple values, and Annie has many things that can have songs and albums (particularly the Annie Musical, which is the most obvious usage for categories by these names) 76.65.128.132 (talk) 11:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Annie albums to Category:Annie (Norwegian singer) albums and Category:Annie songs to Category:Annie (Norwegian singer) songs per much precedent. (Don't Stop (Annie album) looks like a perfectly acceptable article to me, indeed one of the better articles on an album; and there are 7 or 8 songs, several apparently well-sourced.) Occuli (talk) 17:21, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per Occuli. The current name is too ambiguous.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:19, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Healthcare in Afghanistan

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose upmerging Category:Healthcare in Afghanistan to Category:Health in Afghanistan


 * Category:Healthcare in Algeria to Category:Health in Algeria
 * Category:Healthcare in Argentina to Category:Health in Argentina


 * Nominator's rationale: Most Healthcare in country categories are poorly distinguished from Health in Country, and articles are arbitrarily placed in either. With the exception of Italy and Cuba, no countries have topic articles covering both health and healthcare. Although the category structure is somewhat useful for sorting subcategories and large categories such as that of the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom, the arbitrary nature of article placement in either Healthcare in country or Health in Country makes it harder for the reader to find what s/he needs. 125.25.210.222 (talk) 06:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. It is quite unclear where the boundary of one scheme ends and the other begins.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:47, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Why not the other way around - merge health into healthcare? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 18:05, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Heathcare and health are two very distinct topics. Healthcare categories largely include institutions related to treatments. I have no problem with two separate categories, but if there was to be a merger, I would support Piotrus's proposal of merging the other way, as 'health' is a more vague term than 'helthcare'. Arsenikk (talk)  12:26, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose healthcare is specifically for articles about treatments in the country. Health can be about a broader subject which would include articles that can not be categorized under healthcare.  A close review of articles in every category to make sure that they are placed in the right one of these two categories makes sence, but there is no reason to merge them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:22, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Naturalized citizens of Iceland

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete CSD G7. - Eureka Lott 01:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Naturalized citizens of Iceland to Category:Naturalised citizens of Iceland
 * Nominator's rationale: Created in error (by me, apologies). Duplicates alternate spelling Fiddle Faddle (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


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