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Category:Zagreb mayor candidates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge per nom. Ruslik_ Zero 15:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Zagreb mayor candidates to Category:Croatian politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: In Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_11, we deleted a mayoral candidate category. This seems like it should go too. I'm open to a different target if people think there's a better place to put these people.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 07:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support merge. This category seems to be cutting things a little too fine. Zagreb is not one of the 200 biggest cities, I don't think, so that enters into it too - it might be allowable to have this category for London or New York or whatever (although as noted even that was disallowed), but even if we did Zagreb would probably be below whatever line we drew. Herostratus (talk) 17:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. I nominated New York and see no reason for any city category.--TM 03:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Croatian politicians/Category:Zagreb politicians, whichever is deemed to make more sense. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 07:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Toronto mayoral candidates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Toronto mayoral candidates to Category:Ontario municipal politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: In Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_11, we deleted a mayoral candidate category. This seems like it should go too. I'm open to a different target if people think there's a better place to put these people.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 07:15, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support merge per comment immediately above. However, Toronto is much bigger than Zagreb - it is probably one of the 50 largest cities in the world, I think. Nevertheless, while large, it is not not New York or Seoul or Mexico City, and wouldn't make any reasonable "cut" if we did allow this category for the very largest cities, in my opinion. Herostratus (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support merge per comments above.--TM 03:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:American actors of European descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge all. Courcelles 04:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * american actors of european descent


 * Category:American actors of English descent
 * Category:American actors of Welsh descent
 * Category:American actors of Scottish descent
 * Category:American actors of Russian descent
 * Category:American actors of Ukrainian descent
 * Category:American actors of Greek descent
 * Category:American actors of Norwegian descent
 * Category:American actors of Swedish descent
 * Category:American actors of Armenian descent
 * Category:American actors of French descent
 * Category:American actors of Italian descent
 * Category:American actors of German descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. I'm nominating this batch as an irrelevant intersection per WP:OCAT. Tina Fey already has three on her article, and yet it would appear all three are utterly irrelevant to her career. It's very rare to be "typecast" per your European heritage and there's no evidence that these actors ever have been.   Bull dog123  06:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:American people of English descent etc. It is an irrelevant intersection: Clint Eastwood's Englishness is not apparent to the casual viewer. Category:American people of English descent by occupation should all be upmerged. Occuli (talk) 10:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I agree that this is way overdoing it and creates categories that are fairly meaningless in the real world. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:46, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all, per nom. Jayjg (talk) 01:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:American people of Slovak descent etc. I disagree & can see the usefulness of pointing out actors of Slovak descent.  I've read that both Angelina Jolie and Paul Newman have/had Slovak descent.  I can see a youngish person, teens or so, finding this encouraging because both Jolie & Newman are/were considered drop-dead gorgeous & talented. Stjulienlepauvre (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC).
 * Upmerge per Occuli. -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Upmerge. One's descent has little to nothing to do with their acting career in most cases. I can see a case for actors of Italian descent, as they are often typecast in certain roles but it is not so for most ethnicities.--TM 03:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Upmerge. It is not the sole purpose of categorisation to inform our readers about the nature of the article itself. It is my understanding that categories "should be useful for readers to find and navigate sets of related articles" and whether or not they are relevant to individual actor's careers is not the point. Ben   Mac  Dui  19:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Child dance musicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * child dance musicians


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary, underpopulated category (2 entries and 2 user pages). Unclear criteria for inclusion. What exactly is a Child dance musician? AussieLegend (talk) 04:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Author's rationale: Well, this article is in the category "Child musicains", so maybe that will give you a hint on what it means.
 * Actually, it's in both Category:Child musicians and Category:Dance musicians. The parent categories explain the criteria for inclusion in them, but this does not and the criteria for the parent categories does not explain the criteria for this category. Is it a child under 18 who performs dance music, a child who is a musician that dances, a dance musician who performs for children? It's not clear and, as there are only 3 articles in the category it is underpopulated. Wikilinking every word in your response doesn't help either. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a child under 18 who performs dance music. And I will contribute more articles to it. MickWithoutGlasses (talk) 01:06, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. I don't see why being under 18 and making dance music is something that should be categorized. There isn't as far as I know any great difference in the way that people under 18 make dance music and the way that people over 18 do. I Want My GayTV (talk) 01:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Not clear why this intersection is notable. Also awkward title that would not have any external sources substantiating it. Bull dog123  07:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:American Roman Catholic writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:American Roman Catholic religious writers and prune. I'm not qualified to do the pruning, though, so I'll ask the commenters to do so.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * american roman catholic writers


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. As it stands right now, this cat is an Irrelevant intersection of a religion and an occupation. I think it may have initially started off as a category for writers who also write about Roman Catholic theology but has since spun out of control and included people like Cormac McCarthy. Jack Kerouac, and Chuck Klosterman... none of whom are notable for writing any type of Roman Catholic-oriented religious writings or essays or w/e. Right now this cat is the only remaining occupation/religion category in the Category:American Roman Catholics that doesn't have to do with theology. Another option is to prune the list and rename it something like Category:Roman Catholic religious writers. Bull dog123  04:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree with the nom. In fact a grand-parent is Category:American religious writers so I'd go with prune and rename to Category:American Roman Catholic religious writers. Occuli (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree with the principle - rename and prune, perhaps to Category:American writers on Roman Catholicism. Writers who happen to be Roman Catholics is a trivial intersection, unless their religion has a significant influence on the way they write.  Divorcing Graham Greene or G K Chesterton (not Americans of course) from their religion would hardly be appropriate.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename and prune to Category:American Roman Catholic religious writers per Occuli. Nominate parent Category:American Christian writers for renaming as Category:American Christian religious writers to match; likewise the sister-cat for LDS. I think this is a more useful category than Peterkingiron's suggestion which could also include (i) Protestant writers on Catholicism and (ii) authors of novels with a Catholic cultural setting. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Congo basin

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Congo basin to Category:Congo drainage basin
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basins is ambiguous. While the Congo basin might be clear to many as to what is intended, renaming to follow all of the other drainage basins seems reasonable. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:05, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename as per nom. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-name per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Continental basins of the North Sea

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Drainage basins of the North Sea.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Continental basins of the North Sea to Category:Continental drainage basins of the North Sea or Category:Drainage basins of the North Sea
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basins is ambiguous. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Continental drainage basins of the North Sea, to complement Category:British basins of the North Sea (which is about to be renamed in the next section). Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-name to Category:Drainage basins of the North Sea. The British basins of the North Sea coast would become a sub-cat of this cat. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Or create Category:Drainage basins of the North Sea and have as sub-cats both Category:British basins of the North Sea and Category:Continental basins of the North Sea (or whatever they are renamed as - see below). Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


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Atlantic European basins

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename first three as nominated, and latter two as Category:Drainage basins of the Tartessian coast and Category:Drainage basins of the Atlantic coast of Iberia. These last two could be renominated if people think there are better names.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Baltic Sea basins to Category:Drainage basins of the Baltic Sea
 * Category:Black sea basins to Category:Drainage basins of the Black Sea
 * Category:British basins of the North Sea to Category:British drainage basins of the North Sea
 * Category:Tartessian coast basins to Category:Tartessian coast drainage basins
 * Category:Atlantic Iberic coast basins to Category:Iberian Peninsula drainage basins or Category:Atlantic Iberian Peninsula coast drainage basins
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Besides the obvious basins is ambiguous, these renames would follow the other categories that drain into the various seas. Did you know that we also have oil and gas basin articles on the wiki?  Vegaswikian (talk) 01:16, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename as per nom with last one to Category:Atlantic Iberian Peninsula coast drainage basins, although do we actually need Peninsula in there?. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The main article uses Iberian Peninsula and we generally try to match that. Vegaswikian (talk) 09:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-name per nom except for the following:
 * Category:Drainage basins of the North Sea coast of Britain
 * Category:Drainage basins of the Tartessian coast
 * Category:Drainage basins of the Atlantic coast of Iberia. No other Iberia has an Atlantic coast so peninsula is not needed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Basins of China

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Basins of China to Category:Drainage basins of China
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basins is ambiguous and these appear to be drainage related from reading the articles. I guess trees like this make the point about doing away with the generic basins categories since that would 'force' editors to do a better job of identifying the type of basin the article is about. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename as per nom. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-name per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Basins of France

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Basins of France to Category:Drainage basins of France
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basins is ambiguous. The categories seem to all be about drainage while the articles do not.  So if this rename happens, then the articles can simply be deleted from this category since they are already in Category:Sedimentary basins of Europe.  We could also create Category:Sedimentary basins of France for these articles and then remove them from Category:Sedimentary basins of Europe. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename as per nom; and delete the two articles. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:09, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename as per nom; and delete the two articles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


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