Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 12



Category:Kings in the British Isles

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Kings in the British Isles to Category:Monarchs in the British Isles


 * Nominator's rationale. Contain almost identical articles or have the potential to do so. Started to populate it myself but then said, "what's the point?". The overlap is almost perfect. Only regnant queens seperates the two categories and so the more general of the two cats should remain. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge?? The two categories certainly seem to cover the same ground but I am unhappy with the name. There is no such thing in recent times as a King of Britain. It is King of England (and also King of Scotland etc). The articles appear to be covering pre-1066 kingdoms when there were King of the Britons. A rename needed?? Twiceuponatime (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge – there have undoubtedly been 'monarchs in the British Isles', most of them kings. (What, no objection to 'British Isles' in 2 days? Must be a record.) Occuli (talk) 10:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge - The target is better because it includes queens regnant. The kings of England were Lord of Ireland from John to Henry VIII and then Kings of Ireland until the Act of Union, when they became kings of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.  I therefore think the name is appropriate.  I appreciate that the issue of Ireland being part of "Britain" is a sensitive one, but this solution avoids the difficulty, as well as including the monarchs of the Isle of Man, which is part of British Isles, but not of Great Britain or Ireland.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge but use of not in ie rename category to Category:Monarchs of the British Isles. Most of its subcategories use of, as do subcategories of Category:Kings. Hugo999 (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge using in. The British Isles is not a kingdom. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Former components of the DJIA

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename  to Category:Former components of the Dow Jones Industrial Average.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Former components of the DJIA to Category:Former components of the Dow Jones Industrial Average
 * Nominator's rationale: Spell out abbreviation. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Support rename per nom. I created the category based upon how the main category was then named.  Renaming seems appropriate given current naming of main category. OccamzRazor (talk) 21:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- abbreviations need expansion. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


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Category:2010 in Lombardy

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The single article is in Category:2010 elections in Italy, not Category:2010 in Italy, and would be redundantly categorized if merged there.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 2010 in lombardy


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Can be covered by Category:2010 in France Category:2010 in Italy. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment – Category:2010 in Italy might be even better. Occuli (talk) 19:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * oops... -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete – the single article is already in a subcat of Category:2010 in Italy. Occuli (talk) 20:44, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:2010 in Italy. Yes, I now that the single article is already in both categs, but merger is always preferable in cases like this, because other articles may be added to the Lombardy categ before this nom is closed, and if the categ is simply deleted then they will not be moved to Category:2010 in Italy. OTOH, merger will do no harm at all if the categs are already dual-categorised. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Kamma people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * kamma people


 * Nominator's rationale: We've had this discussion before of not categorizing people on the basis of caste here on the Wikiproject India board. The problems are manifold as for most of these there's no sourcing and more importantly it's really just overcategorization. The BLP issues are also problematic as many entries tend to be "claims" and aren't reliably sourced and can not be policed. The list articles are also problematic, but not as much as the categories. We've had a few of these come up here and get deleted, this is one example. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. My understanding is that the consensus has been not to categorize people by Indian caste. This seems like a reasonable decision and I support it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Caste claims are mostly unsourced and lead to edit wars.--Sodabottle (talk) 11:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom: the previous cfd on Nair people is convincing. Occuli (talk) 10:14, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Clarification: There are duplicate nominations for this cat. Can they be merged? RevelationDirect (talk) 00:53, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note to closer. I closed the duplicate discussion, which was here. I suppose the opinions expressed there should be considered when closing this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I also thought that the policy was not to categorise Indian people by caste. However I note that Category:Indian castes has no less than 22 subcategories, of which a few are actually "clans", rather than castes.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The "not categorizing by caste" applies only to people, not to topics. e.g. and sub categories are used to categorize the different topics related to Brahmins ranging from caste specific diet to specific subsects, all reasonable uses of the category. While people occasionally creep in to most of these categories, we do try to remove them regularly. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Omaha

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. I've added a headnote to minimize confusion with Category:People from Omaha, Nebraska.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Omaha to Category:Omaha people
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match main article; Omaha redirects to Omaha, Nebraska. Tassedethe (talk) 02:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Counter-offer. If the intent is to conform to the main article then it should be re-named to Category:Omaha, Nebraska people. However, I'd favour Category:People from Omaha, Nebraska. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Revised offer I've just realised that my proferred solution already exists. So the solution should now be to merge Category:Omaha into :People from Omaha, Nebraska. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Main article is Omaha people, not Omaha, Nebraska. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Offers withdrawn. The way the rationale was worded, I took it that the main article was indeed "Omaha, Nebraska". Apologies. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * rename per nom to match main article and to match other categories for Native American peoples. Hmains (talk) 03:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This category relates to the Native American nation referred to as Omaha people, not the city of Omaha, Nebraska. After renaming, re-create Category:Omaha as a disambiguation category using category ambiguous. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 14:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Rolling Stone magazine

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Rolling Stone.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rolling Stone magazine to Category:Rolling Stone or Category:Rolling Stone (magazine)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The article is at Rolling Stone. Now, if disambiguation is wanted, that's fine, but then the "magazine" part should be in parentheses, since it's not part of the proper name of the publication. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Support – just as the nom says. Might lean towards Category:Rolling Stone (magazine). Occuli (talk) 09:33, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom with preference for the simpler name. "Rolling Stone" and "The Rolling Stones" are different enough. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 05:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Rolling Stone (magazine), to reflect the name of the mag but add a disambiguator. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Rename to Category:Rolling Stone to match title of parent article and reduce confusion of having the article and category titles not matching each other. Alansohn (talk) 02:17, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Rolling Stone to match main article. Article does not seem to need a dab, the same should be true for the category. jonkerz♠ 17:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


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Category:People from Berkeley

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename .--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Berkeley to Category:People from Berkeley, Gloucestershire
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match main article; Berkeley is ambiguous. Tassedethe (talk) 00:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. As there are, , , a disamb category might be a good idea. Occuli (talk) 01:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and Occuli. Even though I'm from the UK, the first Berkeley I thought of was the one in California.  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename and dab per Occuli. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Rename to match title of parent article and reduce ambiguity. Alansohn (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename -- categories often need a disambiguator when the article does not to prevent the category for the original place in England collecting articles for places elsewhere. For Example, the article is Birmingham but the categories are at Birmingham, England, because Birmingham, AL is also a large city.  Support re-creation as a dab category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Phoenix

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Phoenix to Category:Phoenix (plant)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match main article; Phoenix is ambiguous. Tassedethe (talk) 00:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename and convert into a disambiguation category for this and the categories for the cities. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename and dab per Good Ol’factory. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Rename to match title of parent article and reduce ambiguity. Alansohn (talk) 14:36, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename One of the articles most likely to be confused that I've seen. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support rename -- The plant should not even be the primary subject - that should be the legendary bird. However, re-create as a dab category for the present one and the items listed at the top.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


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