Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 25



Category:Media events by type

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * media events by type


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete as another tenuous and ill-conceived grouping by User:Stefanomione. Sub-cat Category:Media bias controversies is already well-categorized under Category:Media and entertainment controversies and the third sub-cat, Category:Propaganda is not an "event." The articles collected in this category are already adequately categorized -- under Category:Media issues, primarily. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Redundant and poorly organized. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:River regulation

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. A clarification and clean-up to make the category clearer would be useful. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * river regulation


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. A redundant category filled with a mixture of different articles. The criteria for this category is vague and encompasses 1000s of articles. Category:Water management already serves the nom'd category's purpose; irrigation and flood control.NortyNort (Holla) 21:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I created this to categorise those managed river systems in which reservoirs are used to store water for later release rather than store water for  an immediate and local use (e.h water supply or hydro electricity generation). Specifically it includes those river systems where upland reservoirs release water so that the water may be abstracted in the lower reaches of the river - effectively using the river as an aqueduct. It also relates to rivers where upland or upstream reservoirs store water in time of heavy rainfall to mitigate flooding downstream. Without this category it is impossible to differentiate those system  which have reservoirs which have an immediate and local use from those that regulate the flow of the river - hence River regulation. As somebody who has been professionally involved in the water  industry and water environment industry and has been closely involved with the management of a number of regulated rivers, I know how difficult it is to find related information in Wikipedia, hence the creation of this category. It is self evident that the category Water Management  provides no help whatsoever here. I am at a loss to understand why there would be a wish to delete the category.  Velella  Velella Talk  22:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand the intended purpose better now but this is too much for one category. Putting all of these articles into this category doesn't help readers understand the specifics. Every dam effects the flow of a river and most large dams have a greater purpose (among others) to regulate the flow. This can be in addition to local benefits. I'd say most of the dam articles on Wikipedia relate to those dams which are part of a regulated basin and serve to provide regimented flows downstream for a few seasons or years. The multi-purpose aspect of dams make this categorization difficult. Flows are even regulated for environmental purposes. Right now, we don't have a Category:Dams by purpose -- just by type, location and hydroelectric categories. I can only think to suggest renaming this to Category:Regulated rivers. From there, a reader can select a river and the article should list infrastructure for them. I also support major rivers have their own category for which dams can be added to, such as Category:Yellow River. Being that water is managed in one way or another here, I see such a category falling under Category:Water management or Category:Water resources management among others.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Taking a local view for the moment, in the UK there are only a few systems where upstream reservoirs are specifically designed and operated to regulate the downstream flow. All reservoirs will make continuous releases of a maintenance flow and many will absorb winter rainfall but not with any engineered intention of preventing floods - these would not be categorised as River regulation. My clear intention was to categorise only those systems where reservoirs store water for release into the river for later abstraction downstream. Neither hydro schemes, nor direct water supply schemes, nor canal feeder schemes nor winter storage for summer release (flow balancing) schemes would be so categorised. Maybe such schemes are very common in the USA, but in Europe they are much less common and categorizing those that do occur would be of benefit.   Velella  Velella Talk  21:15, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I know nothing about this topic. We have an article River engineering without a corresponding category. Dsp13 (talk) 01:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just because we have an article on something does not mean it is a broad or large enough topic to justify a category. Categories are meant to include multiple articles when they are the best way to navigate amoung related topics.  Not every thing that can have an article needs a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. In this case there are, as noted above, several river systems in the UK which are regulated in this way and both the reservoirs performing the regulation and the rivers systems themselves are part of a river regulation system. So for the case of the UK alone, there would be more than 12 entries which suggests maybe 100 or so across the world.  Velella  Velella Talk 09:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: It actually appears like it has potential to be a useful category, but some of the articles have been misplaced into here. Also under the scope of this category I'm guessing Rio Grande Project fits here? Shannon  +    º    !   05:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. This really is rather subjective inclusion criteria and represents numerous intersections which we tend to avoid in categories.  If deleted, a recreation with a clearer name about the purpose of the category along with clear inclusion guidelines should be allowed. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


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Category:World Heritage Sites in danger

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:World Heritage Sites in danger to Category:World Heritage in Danger
 * Nominator's rationale: UNESCO is the designating body of World Heritage Sites and also places threatened sites on the List of World Heritage in Danger. As far as I am aware, UNESCO never uses the phrase "World Heritage Site in Danger" (or similar combinations such as "Sites in Danger", etc) but always refers to it as "World Heritage in Danger" or "List of World Heritage in Danger" (i.e. without "Site(s)" in the name). The category's name should follow the official naming convention (which is without "Site(s)"). bamse (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Beauty Pageant winners by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: No rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:Beauty pageant winners by nationality to Category:Beauty pageant winners by country
 * Rename Category:Afghan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pegeants of Afghanistan
 * Rename Category:Beauty pageant winners from Georgia (country) to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Georgia (country)
 * Rename Category:American beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of the United States
 * Rename Category:Angolan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Angola
 * Rename Category:Argentine beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Argentina
 * Rename Category:Australian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Australia
 * Merge Category:Balinese beauty pageant winners and Category:Indonesian beauty pageant winners into Category:Winners of beauty pageants in Indonesia
 * Rename Category:Belarusian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Belarus
 * Rename Category:Belgian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Belgium
 * Reanme Category:Brazilian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Brazil
 * Reanme Category:British beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of the United Kingdom
 * Rename Category:English beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageant of England
 * Rename Category:Scottish beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageant of Scotland
 * Rename Category:Welsh beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Wales
 * Rename Category:German beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Germany
 * Rename Category:Ghanaian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Ghana
 * Rename Category:Gibraltarian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Gibraltar
 * Rename Category:Canadian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Canada
 * Rename Category:Chilean beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Chile
 * Rename Category:Chinese beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of China
 * Rename Category:Colombian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Colombia
 * Rename Category:Costa Rican beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Costa Rica
 * Rename Category:Cypriot beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Cyprus
 * Rename Category:Czech beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of the Czech Republic
 * Rename Category:Dominican Republic beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of the Dominican Republic
 * Rename Category:Dutch beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of the Netherlands
 * Rename Category:Ecuadorian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Ecuador
 * Rename Category:Ethiopian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Ethiopia
 * Rename Category:French beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of France
 * Rename Category:Finnish beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Finland
 * Rename Category:Martiniquais beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Martinique
 * Rename Category:Greek beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Greece
 * Rename Category:Guam beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Guam
 * Rename Category:Guyanan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Guyana
 * Rename Category:Indian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of India
 * Reanme Category:Puerto Rican beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Puerto Rico
 * Rename Category:Irish beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of the Republic of Ireland however see my comment below.
 * Rename Category:Israeli beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Israel
 * Rename Category:Italian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Italy
 * Rename Category:Jamaican beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Jamaica
 * Rename Category:Japanese beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Japan
 * Rename Category:Kosovar beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Kosovo
 * Rename Category:Lebanese beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Lebanon
 * Rename Category:Lithuanian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Lithuania
 * Rename Category:Malaysian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Malaysia
 * Rename Category:Maltese beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Malta
 * Rename Category:Mauritian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Mauritius
 * Rename Category:Mexican beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Mexico
 * Rename Category:Nepalese beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Nepal
 * Rename Category:New Zealand beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of New Zealand
 * Rename Category:Nicaraguan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Nicaragua
 * Rename Category:Nigerian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Nigeria
 * Rename Category:Pakistani beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Pakistan
 * Rename Category:Panamanian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Panama
 * Rename Category:Paraguayan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Paraguay
 * Rename Category:Peruvian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Peru
 * Rename Category:Polish beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Poland
 * Rename Category:Romanian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants in Romania
 * Rename Category:Russian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Russia
 * Rename Category:Salvadoran beauty pageant winners to Category;Winners of beauty pageants of El Salvador
 * Rename Category:Serbian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Serbia
 * Rename Category:Sierra Leonean beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Sierre Leone
 * Rename Category:Singaporean beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Singapore
 * Rename Category:Slovak beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beaty pegeants of Slovakia
 * Rename Category:Slovenian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Slovenia
 * Rename Category:South African beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of South Africa
 * Rename Category:Swiss beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Switzerland
 * Rename Category:South Korean beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of South Korea
 * Reanme Category:Spanish beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Spain
 * Rename Category:Sri Lankan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Sri Lanka
 * Rename Category:Surinamese beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Surinam
 * Rename Category:Swedish beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Sweden
 * Rename Category:Tanzanian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Tanzania
 * Rename Category:Thai beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Thailand
 * Rename Category:Trinidad and Tobago beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Trinidad and Tobago
 * Rename Category:Turkish beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Turkey
 * Rename Category:Ukrainian beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Ukraine
 * Rename Category:Uruguayan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Uruguay
 * Rename Category:Vietnamese beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Vietnam
 * Rename Category:Venezuelan beauty pageant winners to Category:Winners of beauty pageants of Venezuela
 * Nominators rationale The main reason to do this is to reflect the iedas brought up in the discussion of Category:Beauty peageant winners in the Phillipines. The goal here is to categorize together people who won beauty pegeants located/sponsored in specific countries.  The sub-cats tend to be for winners of specific competitions.  We are going for the same gender category system we have in Category:1993 establishments by country and its related categories.  The general theory of affiliation is what we see in Category:Alumni by university or college where it is the location of the college, and not the nationality of the people that matters.  Here it is the location of the pegeant won (or maybe sponsorship, if it is the Miss Iceland competition, but they held it in Spain because they wanted a warm location, just as a hypothetical, then it is still under Iceland).  After trying out various names I decided that "Winners of beauty pageants of Foo" is the best format.  So I am even nominating the Phillipines one although that just got changed.  It is the affiliation and not the location of a beauty pegeant that matters.  I am not sure there are really many cases like the hypothtical one I presented, but there might be.  It matters where the pageant is for, not where it is actually held.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment the American category has the most competition specific subcats. I think this one of all makes it msot clear these are being used as holding cats for winners of specific competitions, so the question is not the nationality of the people involved but the nation/county to which the competition itself is affiliated.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think these are primarily for winners from the countries in question, not winners in the countries in question. For example, Miss Universe winners are in these categories, yet the contests could be anywhere in the world (or, technically, the universe). The subcategories are very often country-specific (e.g., Category:Miss USA winners), but even in those cases, all winners are from the named country. As this nomination is still in progress, we should see what that produces, or combine it with this one.--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. It appears to me that Zallascht Sadat really should be in the German category, not the "Afgan" (sic) category.  The contest she wond seems to have been in Germany organized by people in Germany, and despite the fact that she was born in Kabul she seems to have been "from Germany" at the time she won it.  I would be sure of this if we had the new names of categories, with the current names I am factng the fact that the article just says altogether too little about her.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment the current name makes it unclear if the nationality identifier is modifying the pegeant or the contestant. Considering such precedents as Category:German crime victims it seems like it should be construed to be modifying the pageant.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The vast majority of people in these categories were not winners of international beauty pageants, but only contestants in them. They only won nation-level beauty pageants.  Thus the miss universe contestants are such because they have won specific beauty pageants at a lower level.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment while this is under discussion we should consider a few other issues. I wonder if it makes sense to have these as subcats of various people x by occupation cats.  We do not put alumni of a given university into occupation cats on the theory that they were students.  So is being a beauty pageant winner an "occupation"?  Also, do we want to have the Balinese cat.  I would say no.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * When I came across them, I always removed occupation categories, as winning a pageant is closer to an award than a career.   Mbinebri   talk &larr; 02:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: As the creator of many (if not most) of these categories, although not the earliest ones, I did so with the idea that the "nationality identifier" was modifying the contestant. My rationale was that contestants are often most notable for representing a particular country on a global scale (this was before people started creating articles for every contestant in human history), so they're defined by the country they're from, not the location of the pageant, which is irrelevant for the global pageants. I knew there might be some confusion, but I assumed winners of non-global pageants held in a particular country were so often from that country anyway, due to common residency/citizenship requirements, that the issue was minor. That said, I'm not completely against changing things depending on what subsequent participants here say.  Mbinebri   talk &larr; 02:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said before the vast majority of these people were only winners of their national contests. They are beauty pageant winners by virtue of winning their national contest and then becoming delegates to international contests.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I would actually support staying with the Ireland name, but until I rememoved it the Miss Northern Ireland category was placed here. That is clearly not how we want things, so I thought maybe we need to be explicit in creating exclusive domains for the UK and Ireland cats. I would have assumed Ireland would be understood to mean the current country, but it was not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The names used for Irish articles are a complicated matter that has fortunately so far not really come up on CFD. In general the "Ireland" categories contain pre-partion and post-partition all-Ireland subjects with sub-categories for "Republic of Ireland" and "Northern Ireland", with the latter also sitting in the relevant UK categories. This arrangement has generally worked quite well. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Laura Herring is an example of someone who is currently only in one of the cats that is part of this system largely because people are applying this category as you have to win a contest of the country in question. If we interpreted this as a straight nationality system she would go into Category:Mexican beauty pageant winners even thought the only beauty pageant she has won was Miss USA.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In order to assess whether to rename or not, one needs to know what we're trying to categorize: if a French woman wins a beauty contest in Germany where are we trying to put her? If it's in the French category, no rename. If it's in the German category, the rename is proper. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Born 1992

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * born 1992


 * Nominator's rationale: *Delete. WP does not need a collection of categories that list the birth date of Wikipedians. Lets nip this in the bud. It is a poorly construed page name as well. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete not necessary, unhelpful to wikipediaCurb Chain (talk) 10:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Highschool of the Dead

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * highschool of the dead


 * Nominator's rationale: Category contains four articles which are already interlinked with one another. Little possibility of expansion. —Farix (t &#124; c) 14:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete seems to be an example of overcat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Mayors of places in Norway subcats

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:


 * Category:Mayors of Akershus municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Akershus
 * Category:Mayors of Aust-Agder municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Aust-Agder
 * Category:Mayors of Buskerud municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Buskerud
 * Category:Mayors of Finnmark municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Finnmark
 * Category:Mayors of Hedmark municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Hedmark
 * Category:Mayors of Hordaland municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Hordaland
 * Category:Mayors of Møre og Romsdal municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Møre og Romsdal
 * Category:Mayors of Nord-Trøndelag municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Nord-Trøndelag
 * Category:Mayors of Nordland municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Nordland
 * Category:Mayors of Oppland municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Oppland
 * Category:Mayors of Rogaland municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Rogaland
 * Category:Mayors of Sogn og Fjordane municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Sogn og Fjordane
 * Category:Mayors of Sør-Trøndelag municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Sør-Trøndelag
 * Category:Mayors of Telemark municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Telemark
 * Category:Mayors of Troms municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Troms
 * Category:Mayors of Vest-Agder municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Vest-Agder
 * Category:Mayors of Vestfold municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Vestfold
 * Category:Mayors of Østfold municipalities to Category:Mayors of places in Østfold


 * Rationalle: Rename - per other similar categories, including of sub-national categories such as states of the United States and provinces of Canada. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Born September

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * born september


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete User category that is unlikely to foster collaboration. Pichpich (talk) 09:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete encyclopedically unhelpful categoryCurb Chain (talk) 09:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete'. See also Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_July_25 -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:South Sudanese cabinet ministers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy merge as G7. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:South Sudanese cabinet ministers to Category:Government ministers of South Sudan
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge to respect the convention of Category:Government ministers by country. Pichpich (talk) 08:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy merge. Category creator blanked category page, so I think unless they appear here and argue otherwise, this can just be speedily merged. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge. I created the category. Was not aware that another similarly worded one exists. No objection to merger. Thanks. Fsmatovu (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Nuclear sector

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * nuclear sector


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Guidelines of this category says: Here you find a list of all large companies which are active in the Nuclear sector, all along the nuclear chain, from uranium mining, -processing and -enrichment, to the actual operating of nuclear power plant and waste processing. However, this category in its current form does not fit into the current categorization tree of different type of nuclear companies and it represents WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION. Beagel (talk) 07:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete excessively broad categoryCurb Chain (talk) 09:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Paedophile priests

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Priests convicted of child sexual abuse and prune to see it is strictly limited to those with convictions. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * paedophile priests


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. I think we should rename this Category:Priests convicted of child sexual abuse because it is more technical and would fit under Category:People convicted of child sexual abuse. This also creates a rigid standard for whom to include (whether or not they are convicted of this crime) whereas the current name risks people randomly labelling priest articles with name-calling perhaps based on suspicions. Naming the crime also separates it from the psychiatric diagnosis which may not be present in all cases. Plus we avoid squabbles over how to spell (ped/paed). AweCo (talk) 06:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. This category has been problematic in the past. Shortly after it was created, I removed a bunch of articles about priests who had been accused of sexual abuse but in each case there was no criminal conviction and in each case the priest had denied the allegation. There are therefore significant BLP risks with this category that are not merely theoretical. The suggested rename is a good idea, I think. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename impossible to verify pedophilia or proveCurb Chain (talk) 09:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support with reservations I agree that the suggested conviction-specific name is better than current. However while the priests have been a major controvery in recent years, is it really appropriate to intersect occupation and conviction in this way? No such intersection category has been established for other "people in positions of trust" (teachers, youth group leaders, etc.); and even if an occupation category is felt desirable, this naming is even specific to one religious group (as a subcategory of Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal). AllyD (talk) 20:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. AllyD, there are other crimes that are specific to the clergy which have categories such as Category:Members of the clergy with criminal convictions (now super-cat of the one in question). Note that what does or does not exist is not relevant in these discussion. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename Absolutely no issue with labeling child sex abusers, but it should be verifiable they have been convicted of a crime. --Henriettapussycat (talk) 01:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. One issue that needs to be kept in mind is that Pedophilia is not a crime.  Pedophilia is a desire, crimes are based on actions.  Beyond this, the technical definition of pedophilia is about pre-puberscent children, but most accusations, convictions and lawsuits relate to sexual abuse of post-pubescent minors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think in more colloquial parlance using the term "pedophilia" or calling someone a "pedophile" carries the connotation that illegal sexual abuse has occurred. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename, checking membership, for the reasons suggested by the nom. Deletion on the grounds that it is arbitrary over-categorization seems to ignore the extent of public interest in the general topic of child sex abuse by priests. On the other hand, we need objectively definable categories - especially for topics which arouse strong emotions like this one.Dsp13 (talk) 02:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment is this meant to be limited to Roman Catholic Church priests, or do we put in say Anglican priests as well?John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Buildings and structures in the Americas

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * buildings and structures in the americas


 * bridges in the americas


 * palaces in the america


 * skyscrapers in the americas


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. I don't think we need to have container categories for buildings and structures in the Americas, since in every case the sole contents will be subcategories for North America and South America. WP categorization treats North and South America as separate continents, so there is no need for this extra layer. (Note: there is a typo in the name of the third category listed.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. Categorising as Nth or Sth America is sufficient. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Non-UN member states and entities United Nations General Assembly permanent observers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Non-UN member states and entities United Nations General Assembly permanent observers to Category:United Nations General Assembly observers
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. This is indeed an official "sub-type" of UNGA observer (see here), but given that it only consists of the Holy see and the Palestinian National Authority, is it worthwhile having a subcategory for it? I don't really think so and think that this could just as happily be returned to its parent, which is the general category for all UNGA observers. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason why I've created this sub-category was UN division, what you acctually gave as well. Holy See and Palestine Authority need to be categorised seperatly, becouse their status is not equal to GUAM or Interpol. Putting HS and PA togheter with other organisations is not fair. The status of the European Union is also very unique. Soon other supernatural organisations might get similar to EU status. Although I think that name of the category is not succesful. Maybe othe proposals?--Spacejam2 (talk) 07:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * They are placed in a different subsection of observers, but for practical purposes there is not much difference. The most significant feature is whether the entity gets a vote or not in committees or in the General Assembly, and members of neither group get to vote. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


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