Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 June 10



Category:Tortallan characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: result. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * tortallan characters


 * Nominator's rationale: Category is now empty--the previous inhabitants have all been redirected (they were fictional characters, not independently notable, in unverified articles). Drmies (talk) 21:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Regression software

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Regression software to Category:Regression and curve fitting software
 * Nominator's rationale: I'd like to add several more programs to this category and I think the proposed name (the same as in dmoz.org) is more suitable. Another solution would be to create a new category "Curve fitting software", but although there are separate articles for Regression analysis and Curve fitting, regression software means almost the same as curve-fitting software, so IMO it would be better to have one cat with longer name.  Wojdyr (talk) 17:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Well, curve fitting is not necessarily performed through regression (eg Spline curve) and, in general, multiple regression does not relate to curve fitting. Despite this, many packages perform both types of activity. Whether a combined category would be useful, I am not too sure. I feel the dmoz Open Directory category was a poor choice but I agree it offers a precedent. Thincat (talk) 10:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't mind a separate category for "Curve fitting software", but I suppose it would have a large overlap with the "Regression software" category. Wojdyr (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Linux graph plotting software

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Linux graph plotting software to Category:Plotting software
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't know what's the general policy for intersections of software domain and operating systems (I don't have much experience in editing wikipedia). In this case there are probably no Linux-only apps in this cat. Several entries that I know are programs that run on all major platforms (Windows, OSX as well as Linux). Since these entries are missing from the parent cat (Plotting Software) it may be confusing for someone who is looking for Windows software. I propose to move all entries to either the parent Category:Plotting software or to sibling Category:Free plotting software. Wojdyr (talk) 14:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Special articles

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete.  Frank  &#124;  talk  01:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * special articles


 * Nominator's rationale: Nonsensical category JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 09:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. No way this category can be given a meaningful definition. Favonian (talk) 10:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Can't be meaningful, and more eyes needed on this editor, maybe a mentor. Dougweller (talk) 10:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Creator does not know what he/she is doing and how categorization works here.Jasper Deng (talk) 17:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Lunar eclipse of 2010 December 21

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 * The result of the discussion was: Transwiki images to commons:Category:Lunar eclipse of 2010 December 21 and delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lunar eclipse of 2010 December 21 to Category:December 2010 lunar eclipse
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Key article is at December 2010 lunar eclipse and the current name is clumsy. It's also impossible to get two lunar eclipses in one month, so the exact date is unnecessary. If it's named this way for sorting purposes, well, that's what piping's for. Grutness...wha?  07:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - extremely unlikely that there will ever be any more material other than the single article on the eclipse along with some associated images which are included in, and thus accessible through, the article itself. The category serves no purpose. Harley Hudson (talk) 15:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Transwiki images to commons:Category:Lunar eclipse of 2010 December 21 then delete category. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Move to Commons and delete per Fayenatic. These are all freely licensed files and should be hosted Commons so that other projects can use them as well. Jafeluv (talk) 07:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Cities in the Imperial Valley

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * cities in the imperial valley


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category is completely, 100% duplicative of the category Category:Cities in Imperial County, California. MelanieN (talk) 07:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment As per this map, Imperial Valley is not the same as Imperial County.  Unscintillating (talk) 04:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed, they are not totally contiguous. But according to the article Imperial Valley (California), "Locally, the terms "Imperial Valley" and "Imperial County" are used synonymously." In any case, with regard to this category, there do not appear to be any cities in the one that are not also in the other. --MelanieN (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I found a CDP (Census Designated Place) called Palo Verde population 117 that appears to be in Imperial County and not in Imperial Valley. I'm not satisfied that an argument has been made for deletion.  I don't think anyone is claiming that there are cities missing in one or the other.  I don't know why we have the list of cities in Imperial Valley in the first place, and being a duplicate of the list of cities in Imperial County doesn't tell me that I don't also want a separate list of cities in Imperial Valley, if only to see that the list is the same.  Unscintillating (talk) 19:10, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. One place being in Imperial County but not in Imperial Valley is not reason for the cat.  We do not even sub-categorize the places in Los Angeles county, when there are way more of them and multiple valleys to subcategorize them in.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Cities in San Diego–Imperial, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv (talk) 08:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * cities in san diego–imperial, california


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Unnecessary duplication of the existing categories "Cities in San Diego County, California" and "Cities in Imperial County, California". In fact those two subcategories are the only content to this category. All cities are in either one county or the other, there are no cities in both! MelanieN (talk) 07:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete As a matter of opinion, where this is being used, I'd rather see two separate entries, "Cities in San Diego County, California" and "Cities in Imperial County, California".  However, it probably should be kept until it is an orphan, as a straight-out delete is wrong for the encyclopedia.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:San Diego–Imperial, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * san diego–imperial, california


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category is an unnecessary duplication of the existing categories "San Diego County, California" and "Imperial County, California". There are virtually no articles about the combination of the two counties; they pretty much all involve either one county or the other; so there is no need for this category. MelanieN (talk) 07:00, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep This category is in use at Southern Border region, but also water districts are reasonably in this bi-county category as these counties share water from the Colorado River.  As the old article at San Diego-Imperial, California available in the edit history showed, there are other commonalities.  Any unnecessary duplication can be removed by editing.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment There is currently just that one article covering this subject - Southern Border region. As far as I can tell there are no bi-county water districts, and no other subjects or pages relating to "San Diego-Imperial". Aside from the one article, and a couple of sub-categories which are up for possible deletion here, everything else in this category properly belongs in either Category:San Diego County, California or Category:Imperial County, California --MelanieN (talk) 14:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This Google search ["San Diego" "Colorado River" water Imperial] gives an idea of the interest of these two counties in Colorado River water. This npr article states, with dateline December 15, 2003, "After eight years of negotiation, a portion of the Colorado River that used to flow into the farms of California's Imperial Valley is now finding its way to San Diego." There is nothing that requires a water district to be a bi-county water district. This ref states that the IID service area includes parts of San Diego county.  Unscintillating (talk) 20:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course they share a common source of water (along with all of southern California). They also share highways and air traffic control and the same time zone. There are even overlapping congressional districts (as there are with other adjacent counties). But there are no Wikipedia articles about the links between these two counties on those subjects. In order to have a category, there have to be sufficient articles to make the category useful. --MelanieN (talk) 02:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I added the San Diego and Arizona Eastern Railway which in spite of its name runs from San Diego County to Imperial County. Unscintillating (talk) 04:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is a dual-county category that just does not have reason to exist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Just" is not a really a reason in and of itself. Unscintillating (talk) 23:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Martians

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Jafeluv (talk) 08:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional Martians to Category:Martians
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article, also all Martians are fictional. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - keep as is per the parent Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters. Just because we don't know of any non-fictional Martians now doesn't mean that there can't be, especially once we colonize the place. Harley Hudson (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * that seems like a bit premature but hey, why not keep it consistent? HominidMachinae (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There's also the various finds of (disputed) "bacteria" from Mars that could be called Martians. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 06:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Response Those would be Category:Martian life forms, but not "Martians". Are bacteria that are in the United States Americans? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They are Terran bacteria. American is a citizenship issue, "Martian" is not a citizenship descriptor. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 07:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as is à la, and so forth. The fictional tree generally includes "fictional" or "in fiction" in the descriptors, even if there are no "real life" examples of the thing. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:People from San Diego–Imperial, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv (talk) 08:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * people from san diego–imperial, california


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category is an unnecessary duplication of two existing categories, "People from San Diego County, California" and "People from Imperial County, California". In fact those two (sub)categories are the only content in this category. Everybody is from one county or the other, nobody is from "San Diego-Imperial", so there is no purpose for this category. MelanieN (talk) 06:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete San Diego-Imperial is not a place with people in the sense that someone would say, "I live in 'San Diego County-Imperial County, California' ".  Unscintillating (talk) 11:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Australian people

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Jafeluv (talk) 08:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Australian people to Category:Australians
 * Nominator's rationale: per main article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep – per the convention in Category:People by nationality. We spent some time uprooting Poles and Swedes. Occuli (talk) 09:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. per Occuli. Let's not go back on this. It took about 3 years to establish the convention in and it seems to be working fine. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Python programming language

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 08:05, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Python programming language to Category:Python (programming language)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, standard naming practice. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good, but I have corrected an obvious typo ("langauge") in the disambiguator. Hans Adler 17:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Civil law

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 08:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Civil law to Category:Civil law (common law)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Civil law/Civil law (common law) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator to match parent category - it is a bit cumbersome but also necessary for clarity. Neutralitytalk 18:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename. The current name is creating obvious confusions. I removed from this category, when it obviously belonged in, not here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename; not inherently pleasing, but seems necessary. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv (talk) 07:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * jay and silent bob strike back


 * Nominator's rationale: Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was a minor film. Currently the category holds three articles, with no possibility for expansion. Finally, there is a Category:View Askewniverse films which at least groups this film with its progenitor. Speciate (talk) 06:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. I've added another article and 2 files, just to be a pain and so I could say I did the impossible. No opinion on whether the category should be deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Your addition of Because I Got High (song) was undone by User:Harley Hudson with the edit summary songs aren't categorized by the films that include them. Speciate (talk) 20:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It was the "theme song" of the movie, not just included in it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - small category which, despite GOf's best efforts, is unlikely ever to be anything other than a small category. Harley Hudson (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is an example of overcategorization.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Humor
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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Jafeluv (talk) 07:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Humor to Category:Humour
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the one redirects to the other and there's diversity amongst the sub-categories. Changing the name serves no purpose and a year from now someone will suggest putting it back the other way. Harley Hudson (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * oppose per style guide. It is only appropriate to change from American to British spelling when the topic is intimately tied to the country in question. HominidMachinae (talk) 23:37, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you read the MOS (WP:MOS:ENGVAR) you will see that WP does not prefer one variant over another. Ephebi (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. Categories should follow the parent article in terminology and spelling.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Leave it, it's not that funny. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Conformance with the spelling of the main article should take precedence over the principle of preserving the original version. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support change to match article. If there's a problem with the spelling of the main article, then debate it there. Ephebi (talk) 12:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This is ridiculous. That British spelling is one of the few, but it keeps hanging on. I say rename the main article "humor" and be done with this one-going issue.Greg Bard (talk) 19:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - There is no reason here to favor the spelling currently used in the article over the one in the category. This is a pure debate of different spellings.  There is no logic behind one spelling over the other.  Renaming the category would be showing a favortism towards one way of spelling.  In this case it boils down to we have discrepancy, and until we decide standard ways of spelling throughout wikipedia, there is no reason to change this category name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:The Divine Comedy (Dante)
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:The Divine Comedy (Dante) to Category:Divine Comedy
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support, no need to dab category. Axem Titanium (talk) 08:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – The Divine Comedy (disambiguation) suggests that there is a need to dab. Categories should be completely unambiguous. Occuli (talk) 10:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - as there is also Category:The Divine Comedy for a band. How about withdrawing this, and nominating the latter instead for renaming as Category:The Divine Comedy (band), following their lead article The Divine Comedy (band)? - Fayenatic (talk) 20:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename, there's no reason for the category to not match the article title here. It's a clear case of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and remember that standard article naming conventions also apply to category names. I've nominated the band category for renaming here. Jafeluv (talk) 07:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article naming rules do not apply to category names.  Categories need to be more precise so people will not inadvertently link to them.  Occuli is right, and we should not rename this category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:Category names says that standard article naming conventions apply to categories, but it only gives the example of non-capitalisation; it does not say that PRIMARYTOPIC applies to categories, or even that category names should generally match the lead article. Although there is not much at stake here, I'm still inclined to keep the unambiguous version. - Fayenatic (talk) 12:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Ships by name
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv (talk) 07:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * ships named nautilus


 * ships named valiant


 * ships named enterprise


 * ships by name (added 13 June)
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. These categories are acting as inappropriate disambiguation pages and are violating the guideline which says to avoid categorizing things by shared name. What these categories accomplish is already accomplished by disambiguation pages, such as here, here, here, and here. (Perhaps rather than having the Enterprise ones broken down in this way these could be listified into single DAB pages that list all ships that go by that name?) Note that these were discussed in 2004. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Listify Valiant and Enterprise are missing list articles for the various ships of that name. Nautilus does have such a list though... Ships named Nautilus. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 06:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * (nods) Listification seems a sensible move. Certainly we don't need the cats, but some form of reference is a good idea. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as clear-cut overcategorization by shared name. Listify if desired but not as a pre-requisite for deletion. Harley Hudson (talk) 15:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Lists, categories...it's like tomAYto, toMAHto. Different ways to arrive at a similarly useful conclusion. The point here is to improve the encyclopedia; having both categories and lists certainly does that. Frank  &#124;  talk  01:14, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not tomayto and tomahto at all - more apples and oranges. They achieve different purposes by the amount of information in them. Which makes more sense for ships named Enterprise - to present them alphabetically with no extra information in a category, or to present them in some other order, such as chronologically, with a line or so of info about each in a list? Which makes it clear which articles are missing, a category which presents all currentl;y-existing articles, or a list which also presents red links? Given that having both simply doubles up information, I'd say a list is far and a away the better option. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  02:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, perhaps I should have said peach and nectarine. Feel free to disregard the analogy...the main point is that there is no reason to need exactly one of the two. Having both does no harm, and, indeed, helps make the encyclopedia a place more people can interact with meaningfully. Frank  &#124;  talk  02:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Listify, as a list can provide more information, and I see no harm in having an informative list as well as a disambiguation page. As for categories parallel to lists: occasionally these can be useful, e.g. to index by a different part of the article title, but there is a consensus that a shared name does not justify a category. Note that there was no consensus when this was discussed at Categories for deletion/Ships by name in 2004 (!); and that I have added the head category Category:Ships by name, which would become redundant without these sub-cats. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Ships. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Category for items linked by nothing more than name seems contrary to the purpose of Categories for me. Listing not needed - eg lists of ships called Enterprise (or Enterprize) are already covered by Enterprise_(disambiguation) and the ship index pages HMS Enterprise (20 ships) and USS Enterprise (9 ships and a certain famous spaceship). Valiant listed at HMS Valiant GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, do not listify, per se. Ship index pages (an expanded form of DAB pages) exist for this purpose.  --J Clear (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Change opinion from listify to delete as the ship indexes are indeed adequate already. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:16, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete these are really disambiguation pages masquerading as categories. Things should not be categoriezed based on what their name is, but what they are.  These are classic examples of categories that should not be.  really no different than Category:People named John Smith.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: if deleted, I suggest a follow up nomination to delete the sub-cat Category:Enterprise ships (Star Trek), for which there is already a navbox. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Shaft
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to . עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Shaft to Category:John Shaft or Category:Shaft (franchise) or other
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. I think that this category does need to be renamed, since "Shaft" is quite ambiguous, but I'm not too sure what it should be renamed to. The article about the character is John Shaft, so it could be renamed that. But since the character is more commonly recognizable by the name "Shaft", so might be appropriate? Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:Shaft (franchise). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:John Shaft (franchise). 65.94.47.63 (talk) 06:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha—that seems to adopt the worst of both worlds! The more-unrecognized "John Shaft" and the necessary parenthetical ... I think one or the other would be enough. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Shaft (franchise). Occuli (talk) 10:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * rename to Shaft (franchise), can you dig it? HominidMachinae (talk) 23:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Shaft (franchise); I have added it to category:Media franchises, which contains a few other categories using that word as a qualifier. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Shaft albums
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Shaft albums to Category:Shaft (New Zealand band) albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. I suggest renaming to match Shaft (New Zealand band). There is a British band of the same name and Shaft is otherwise ambiguous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:56, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Occuli (talk) 10:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:BAFTA Award for Best Actor in a Supporting Role templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 08:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:BAFTA Award for Best Actor in a Supporting Role templates to Category:BAFTA Award for Best Supporting Actor templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Seeking naming consistency with Category:BAFTA Award for Best Supporting Actress templates, Category:Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor templates and Category:Golden Globe Award for Best Supporting Actor templates TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename; short, clear and consistent. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


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