Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 June 11



Category:Dwight D. Eisenhower namesakes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete as the list has already been created. Jafeluv (talk) 07:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * dwight d. eisenhower namesakes


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Guidelines state that we don't categorize things by its name alone, such as "churches named for St. Dunstan". This is another example of this. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:57, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest we upmerge to Category:Dwight D. Eisenhower. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete for now as there are only three entries, two of which are redirects, and Category:Dwight D. Eisenhower is not unreasonably large. In the future, those roads, parks, or other structures dedicated specifically to the memory of a person would properly be termed memorials, regardless of their name, but we don't even have Category:George Washington memorials yet.- choster (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Upmerge/delete. Neutralitytalk 15:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Listify like List of places named for George Washington; there are more to be added, see Special:Search/intitle:Eisenhower. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:16, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * List and delete Ephebi (talk) 08:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Now listified as List of places named for Dwight D. Eisenhower so ready for deletion. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Immigration Control Stations in Hong Kong

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Immigration Control Stations in Hong Kong to Category:Immigration control points of Hong Kong
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Found doing cleanup as an incomplete nomination. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment at this point. I'm not convinced that we need to categorize these when we already have a list and a template.  The problem is this seems to be including buildings that contain a customs and immigration station.  I don't believe that these are mentioned, except in passing at most airports.  So why is this group so important and defining to need a category? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per my concerns above. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Companies based in Hiroshima

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Companies based in Hiroshima to Category:Companies based in Hiroshima Prefecture
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Found as incomplete doing cleanup Vegaswikian (talk) 18:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename - seems like simple housekeeping matter. --Neutralitytalk 15:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Hong Kong Land

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 07:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Hong Kong Land to Category:Hongkong Land
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Fixing incomplete nomination. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Islam infobox templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Islam infobox templates. Jafeluv (talk) 07:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Islam infobox templates to Category:Islamic infobox templates
 * Nominator's rationale: They appear to be redundant. The "Islamic" category is older than the "Islam" one, but I'm not actually sure which category name is better. Mu Mind (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge to Category:Islam infobox templates, as it is more usual to use a noun-modifier than an adjective when naming categories; the infobox templates are not (necessarily/particularly) Islamic; and the head category is Islam templates. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Pakistan Members

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Pakistan Members to Category:WikiProject Pakistan members.
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary capitalisation of the letter "M" in "members." Mar4d (talk) 11:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename This is very straightforward. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename. Neutralitytalk 15:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename, just do it. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:British rhythm and blues boom musicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: No rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British rhythm and blues boom musicians to Category:British rhythm and blues musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There is no need to subdivide British rhythm and blues musicians into a loosely defined "boom" period for British rhythm and blues. We have no article about the boom in particular, nor can its dates be defined with precision. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Whilst agreeing that the period of the boom is hard to define it would not be as simple just to merge with the Category:British rhythm and blues musicians as many in Category:British rhythm and blues boom musicians are not British but were part of the boom.--Egghead06 (talk) 09:11, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If that is the case then obviously we have an ambiguity problem, since it's unclear in the category name whether the "British" refers to the musicians or to the boom, or to both. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose I created the separate category to distinguish those musicians that specifically emerged from the 60s boom. The term is very common in the literature and is easily defined by the decade of the 60s. It is in fact much easier to define than other accepted categories such as Category:British Invasion artists. The category British rhythm and blues musicians is different in two important ways. First, British R&B tends to be used only for musicians that are or have remained primarily R&B, probably because it suggests a current or primary categorisation, whereas this category catches the very large number of significant musicians that emerged from the scene and then moved on to other genres. For example, few would tend to think of Mick Jagger as British R&B musician, but he was clearly a vital part of the British R&B boom. The existing category also cannot include musicians that were not British but nationality but part of the boom, such as Geno Washington and Jimmy James (singer). I submit that this category does what categories are meant to do, allowing readers to pursue connections without resort to reading large amounts of text or the creation of endless list article. There is no detriment to the project in having both categories, even if editors use the British R&B musicians, which does have only a small number of entries.-- SabreBD  (talk)  09:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Defines those R&B musicians who came to prominence in the boom period in Britain defined to be the 1960s as opposed to R&B musicians in general.--Egghead06 (talk) 15:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I notice that Category: British rhythm and blues musical groups contains some R&B groups, but also soul and modern R&B groups, suggesting that a time period limit might be needed to be explicit as those are not meaningfully linked genres. It also might be worth considering merging that category with Category:British rhythm and blues musicians whatever the outcome here.-- SabreBD  (talk)  16:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Category system may be unwieldy but something like this is needed, because this little culture, time and place is important in its field. A few early 60s London clubs like Klook's Kleek and Eel Pie Island, where less-known figures like Ian Stewart, Alexis Korner and Cyril Davies were hugely influential, gave a home to John Lee Hooker, Sonny Boy Williamson and Jimi Hendrix, and bred The Yardbirds, The Rolling Stones, Manfred Mann, The Pretty Things, David Bowie, Cream, Led Zeppelin. Yet the period is vague in most American web accounts of the "British Invasion" and the connections with jazz and folk that were to give rise to progressive and other later forms are only dimly appreciated. Wiki coverage needs improving, not pulling apart. While we have musical pseudo-categories like Category:British Invasion (yes, capital "I"!) classed as a "British style of music" - while, that is, we got the facts from 50 years and 5000 miles away - this category is not a redundancy but your only hope of accuracy. Redheylin (talk) 01:23, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia Valued picture contributors

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * wikipedia valued picture contributors


 * Nominator's rationale: Un-needed category of a project that was shut down following an MFD in December 2010 Acather96 (talk) 06:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support deletion. The category should be subject to the same fate as Valued pictures.  Perhaps listify to a new section at Wikipedia talk:Valued pictures.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I have not perused the links, but I assume that this was an "Esperanza" movement.Curb Chain (talk) 11:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, not really. It was a fair idea that failed to flourish.  Something similar exists at commons, Valued_pictures.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Categories named after modern countries

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Categories named after countries. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Categories named after modern countries to Category:Modern countries
 * Nominator's rationale: An unwieldy title. "Modern countries", "Recognised counties" or suchlike is more appealing to the reader. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Why keep this at all?  Modern seems rather subjective.  Vegaswikian (talk) 05:10, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see a need for a category that has all countries that are recognised. I agree that "modern" is subjective but there is a set of countries that are generally accepted as such. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Simply merge to . There is no reason to separate out current countries. This is essentially a "current" category., , , and are not included, even though they solely existed during the "modern" period. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to . Occuli (talk) 20:10, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename Unwieldingly confusingCurb Chain (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * reconsider. Category:Categories named after modern countries includes only countries that currently exist.  Category:Categories named after countries contains only countries that do not currently exist.  Each deserves a a properly named category to help navigation and reader understand.  They should not be merged, which would only muddle things up.  Hmains (talk) 03:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why would this muddle things up? It's not like this page would be the one used to figure out what countries currently exist and what ones do not. If everything is alphabetized, there is no muddling. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not for the knowing to figure out, but for the knowing to document for the unknowing reader so the latter can use the category to see which are current countries and which are not--without having to read the article texts to find out. This is a proper and help navigation use for which categories exist. Both the 'current countries' and 'non-current countries' categories would be proper subcats of Category:Categories named after countries Hmains (talk) 02:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't even categorize articles about countries by current status, so I'm not sure why we would attempt to work categories in this way. It's also not a clear-cut issue, as there could be reasonable debate over whether, , , and for example, are "current countries". Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that countries are differentiated in this way with an entire Category:Former countries category tree to handle those that no longer exist. A few countries in transistion does not change the overall argument that currently existing countries are, and should continue to be, separated from no longer existing countries. Hmains (talk) 04:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a former country category, but there is no . The nominated category categorizes current countries, not former countries. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * upmerge to Category:Categories named after countries, as there is already a sub-cat Category:Categories named after former countries which achieves the required split. Alternatively, split by continent to Category:Categories named after countries by continent to match the categories in Category:Countries by continent, as there is no category which holds all articles for countries. - Fayenatic (talk) 12:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Proper Records albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Jafeluv (talk) 07:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * proper records albums


 * Nominator's rationale: Article Proper Records was deleted. No article, no category. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 03:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why was the article deleted? I would not be offended if the category were deemed unnecessary--I just created it because I felt there were enough albums to be grouped together. If, however, the label could be notable then why delete? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The rationale for the Prod looks flawed: "Reissue-only label. Fails WP:CORP, no non-trivial sources." Proper Records has a substantial catalogue of reissues, but has a significant roster of first-issue artistes (as were visible in the deleted article) and in the referenced BBC News article which also pointed to the label's awards. I'm minded to get the Prod reversed, in which case the category removal would be premature. AllyD (talk) 16:07, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No reason to the delete the category as long as the article for the record label exists. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose as the Proper Records article has now been restored. (Obviously, if it next gets taken to AfD and deleted, then the associated category would then be in question again.) AllyD (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


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