Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 June 8



Category:Violinists who died in the Holocaust

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Violinists who died in the Holocaust to Category:Musicians who died in the Holocaust
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Both categories were recently nominated for deletion and inexplicably kept despite there being no evidence in the historical record that any of the people so categorized were killed because of their occupations. However, even the most ardent supporter of this poor scheme acknowledges that sub-dividing musicians who died in the Holocaust on the basis of what instrument they played is trivial. Per his suggestion in the previous CFD, merge. Harley Hudson (talk) 18:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator SOXROX (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Occuli (talk) 21:28, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Constantine  ✍  21:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support fair enough. Looking at the categories involved there's a real mess here. Category:Holocaust victims by occupation has various near-empty categories apart from one huge sub-category, Category:Nazi concentration camp victims by occupation. Category:Historians who died in Nazi concentration camps is for some reason inside the former and not the latter. What's going on with this? Bienfuxia (talk) 04:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support merge. Too fine a categorisation, very unlikely to be of much meaning.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if people would avoid going on tirades against other editors. That is what the opening with the whole "inexplicably kept" blabbing constitutes.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Presbyterian churches built in the 19th century

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn in favor of a new nomination removing established from the other categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Presbyterian churches built in the 19th century to Category:Presbyterian church buildings established in the 19th century
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the parent building category Category:Church buildings established in the 19th century. I have been creating some sub categpries that match the parent and this is different. Now, having said that, I wonder which form is better since we have names like Category:Anglican church buildings established in the 19th century, Category:Presbyterian churches built in the 19th century, Category:Church buildings by century consecrated and Category:19th-century Eastern Orthodox church buildings. I'm not sure that I have a preference, but I wonder which is the best choice here.  Once a consensus is determined, that we can change to whatever form is determined to be best. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * One other comment on possible names, these are all somehow under Category:Religious buildings. So maybe we should use that name further down into the category structure.  I think it would be logical to group mosques, synagogues, churches, monasteries and chapels built in the 19th century into one category. Say Category:19th-century ... religious buildings. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * A building isn't "established," a congregation is— buildings might be designed, approved, started, consecrated, occupied, etc. but in the English I speak, organizations are established, objects are not. The wholesale move of "churches" to "church buildings" was roughly equivalent to moving Category:Parliaments to Category:Parliament halls, was overall incredibly ill-conceived and is to be resisted.- choster (talk) 20:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no objection if all of the other categories are renamed to match this one or the Eastern Orthodox one. However when I started in this tree the proposed name was the most common.  I'll note that synagogues follow the Eastern Orthodox naming format at the century level. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jafeluv (talk) 11:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)




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Category:Greek military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Greek military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence to Category:Greek military personnel of the Greco-Turkish War of 1919–1922
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The "Turkish War of Independence" is a term used for a much wider conflict than the Greco-Turkish War of 1919–1922. Creator has indicated his agreement. Constantine  ✍  10:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * For me it's not serious problem. It's just like Category:British military personnel of the American Revolutionary War, Category:British military personnel of the Russian Civil War etc. But if you want you can change. What do you think of Category:Armenian military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence and Category:French military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence ? Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * For the other categories, I'd say use Turkish–Armenian War and Franco-Turkish War. All these can of course remain subcategories of Category:Military personnel of the Turkish War of Independence. Constantine  ✍  10:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The proposal sounds reasonable, support per CP. rational.Alexikoua (talk) 17:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. The war in question is the Greco-Turkish War of 1919-1922.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:SSTO

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 * The result of the discussion was: category not tagged. Relisted on June 27. - Eureka Lott 23:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:SSTO to category:single stage to orbit spaceplanes, or category:SSTO spaceplanes differentiate from the category:Single stage to orbit which covers all single stage to orbit (SSTO) spacecraft. GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:National and Kapodistrian University of Athens faculty

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:National and Kapodistrian University of Athens faculty to Category:University of Athens faculty
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. The main category is at University of Athens, and the alumni category likewise. Alternatively we will have to rename those two to the full official name of the university. Constantine  ✍  09:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. This is an unusual case where I would ignore the main article (National and Kapodistrian University of Athens) as the article on anyone who studied or worked there will say 'University of Athens'. Occuli (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge. I have changed it so the article is also at University of Athens.  In several foriegn languages the article was under this more commonly used name and there is no clear reason to use the long name that virtually never shows up in other references to the university.  This is not like the University of Madrid, University of Berlin or University of Rome that are at least somewhat ambiguous.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your move of the main article. While I agree with the move, cut-and-paste moves are incorrect practice because it messes up the article history. Please initiate a move request at the talk page. Constantine  ✍  08:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Financial crisis of 2007–2010

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to match main article, currently at Late-2000s financial crisis, with explicit mandate to immediately rename again per this CFD if & when the main article title is made permanent. Discussion on the article title has gone sluggish now so it's best to close the CFD and any further change can be done easily. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Financial crisis of 2007–2010 to Category:Late-2000s financial crisis
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per main article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. The main article name is unstable. A move discussion was held, and it was just moved to Financial crisis (2007–present) and now a complaint has been made on the talk page that it was moved. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hold. Place this discussion on hold until discussion on page move stabilizes. Neutralitytalk 15:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment the current name implies the financial crises is over. Is this an agreed upon fact?John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


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