Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 November 24



Various speediable Chinese dynasty categories

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename all except without the "the" before circuit names. In the case of jiedushi, this word is almost never capitalized on Wikipedia. The disambiguations to match the article titles are clearly speediable as well. However, the definite article in front of the circuit names is not supported by any articles on Wikipedia. See for example this search for Zhangyi Circuit and this one for Zhongyi Circuit. So I'm proceeding with these in a manner that doesn't use the "the" in those cases.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Batch #1: Nominated only to decapitalize "jiedushi" per C2A
 * Category:Kuangguo Jiedushi to Category:Kuangguo jiedushi
 * Category:Lingnan Jiedushi to Category:Lingnan jiedushi
 * Category:Lulong Jiedushi to Category:Lulong jiedushi
 * Category:Ningguo Jiedushi to Category:Ningguo jiedushi
 * Category:Pinglu Jiedushi to Category:Pinglu jiedushi
 * Category:Shannan Dongdao Jiedushi to Category:Shannan Dongdao jiedushi
 * Category:Song Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Song Dynasty jiedushi
 * Category:Tianping Jiedushi to Category:Tianping jiedushi
 * Category:Weiwu Jiedushi to Category:Weiwu jiedushi
 * Category:Wu'an Jiedushi to Category:Wu'an jiedushi
 * Category:Wuchang Jiedushi to Category:Wuchang jiedushi
 * Category:Wuxin Jiedushi to Category:Wuxin jiedushi
 * Category:Xichuan Jiedushi to Category:Xichuan jiedushi
 * Category:Xuanwu Jiedushi to Category:Xuanwu jiedushi
 * Category:Yicheng Jiedushi to Category:Yicheng jiedushi
 * Category:Zhaoyi Jiedushi to Category:Zhaoyi jiedushi
 * Category:Zhendong Jiedushi to Category:Zhendong jiedushi
 * Category:Zhenhai Jiedushi to Category:Zhenhai jiedushi
 * Category:Zhennan Jiedushi to Category:Zhennan jiedushi
 * Category:Zhongwu Jiedushi to Category:Zhongwu jiedushi
 * Category:Chengde Jiedushi to Category:Chengde jiedushi
 * Category:Dongchuan Jiedushi to Category:Dongchuan jiedushi
 * Category:Fengxiang Jiedushi to Category:Fengxiang jiedushi
 * Category:Hedong Jiedushi to Category:Hedong jiedushi
 * Category:Henghai Jiedushi to Category:Henghai jiedushi
 * Category:Heyang Jiedushi to Category:Heyang jiedushi
 * Category:Huainan Jiedushi to Category:Huainan jiedushi
 * Category:Anguo Jiedushi to Category:Anguo jiedushi
 * Category:Baisheng Jiedushi to Category:Baisheng jiedushi
 * Category:Baoyi Jiedushi to Category:Baoyi jiedushi
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi
 * Category:Later Liang Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi
 * Category:Former Shu Jiedushi to Category:Former Shu jiedushi
 * Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Jiedushi to Category:Five Dynasties of Ten Kingdoms jiedushi

Batch #2: Nominated (1) to decapitalize "jiedushi" per C2A and (2) to add the missing English word "the" per C2A
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Baoyi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Baoyi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Dongchuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dongchuan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Kuangguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Kuangguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lingnan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fulong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Ningguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Ningguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shannan East Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shannan East Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Anxi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Anxi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Binning Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Binning Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Chengde Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Chengde Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Datong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Datong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Dingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dingnan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fengcheng Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengcheng Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fengxiang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengxiang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fufang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fufang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hedong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hedong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hexi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hexi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hezhong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hezhong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Huainan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Huainan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jinghai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinghai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingnan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jingyuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingyuan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jinshang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinshang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lingnan West Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lingnan West Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Longyou Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Longyou Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Qianzhong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Qianzhong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Rongzhao Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Rongzhao Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shannan West Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shannan West Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shuofang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shuofang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Taining Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Taining Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Tianping Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Tianping Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Weibo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weibo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuding Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuding Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuning Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuning Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuzhen Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuzhen Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xiasui Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xiasui Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xingming Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xingming Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Yongping Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Yongping Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Youguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Youguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhaoyi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhaoyi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhendong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhendong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhennan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhennan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhongwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhongwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wu'an Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wu'an Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuchang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuchang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wutai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wutai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuxin Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuxin Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xichuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xichuan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Yicheng Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Yicheng Circuit
 * Category:Former Shu Jiedushi of Wuxin Circuit to Category:Former Shu jiedushi of the Wuxin Circuit

Batch #3: Nominated (1) to decapitalize "jiedushi" per C2A, (2) to add the missing English word "the" per C2A, and (3) to match category names to the parent category Category:Later Liang Dynasty per C2B
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhongwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhongwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhenguo Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenguo Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhendong Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhendong Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhaoyi Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhaoyi Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Xuanyi Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanyi Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wushun Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wushun Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wuchang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuchang Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wu'an Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wu'an Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Qinghai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Qinghai Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Ningyuan Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Ningyuan Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Kuangguo Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Kuangguo Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Jingjiang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingjiang Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Jinghai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinghai Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Huainan Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Huainan Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Baisheng Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Baisheng Circuit

Batch #4: Nominated (1) to decapitalize "jiedushi" per C2A, (2) to add the missing English word "the" per C2A, and (3) to match category names to the parent category Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) per C2B
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Anguo Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Anguo Circuit
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Hedong Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Hedong Circuit
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Lulong Circuit

Batch #5: Nominated (1) to decapitalize "jiedushi" per C2A, (2) to add the missing English word "the" per C2A, and (3) to match category names to the parent category/article Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms)/Wu (Ten Kingdoms)
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Baisheng Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Baisheng Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Ningguo Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Ningguo Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhennan Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhennan Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhongyi Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhongyi Circuit

Batch #6: Nominated (1) to decapitalize "jiedushi" per C2A, (2) to add the missing English word "the" per C2A, and (3) to match category names to the parent category/article Category:Qi (Five Dynasties)/Qi (Five Dynasties) per C2D
 * Category:Qi Jiedushi to Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) jiedushi
 * Category:Qi Jiedushi of Zhangyi Circuit to Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Zhangyi Circuit

Batch #7: Nominated (1) to decapitalize "jiedushi" per C2A, (2) to add the missing English word "the" per C2A, and (3) to match category names to the parent article Later Tang Dynasty per C2D
 * Category:Later Tang to Category:Later Tang Dynasty
 * Category:Later Tang emperors to Category:Later Tang Dynasty emperors
 * Category:Later Tang people to Category:Later Tang Dynasty people
 * Category:Later Tang empresses dowager to Category:Later Tang Dynasty empresses dowager
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Chengde Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Chengde Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Dongchuan Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dongchuan Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Fengxiang Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengxiang Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lulong Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Tianping Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Tianping Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Xichuan Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xichuan Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit

Batch #8: Nominated only to match category names to the parent article Min (Ten Kingdoms) per C2D
 * Category:Min to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms)
 * Category:Min Buddhists to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) Buddhists
 * Category:Min people to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) people
 * Category:Min rulers to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) rulers

Batch #9: Nominated only to match category names to the parent article Later Zhou Dynasty per C2D
 * Category:Later Zhou to Category:Later Zhou Dynasty
 * Category:Later Zhou people to Category:Later Zhou Dynasty people
 * Category:Later Zhou emperors to Category:Later Zhou Dynasty emperors

Batch #10: Nominated only to match category names to the parent article Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) per C2D
 * Category:Later Jin Dynasty to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties)
 * Category:Later Jin emperors to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperors
 * Category:Later Jin Dynasty people to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) people

Batch #11: Nominated only to match category names to the parent article Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) per C2D
 * Category:Later Han to Category:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties)
 * Category:Later Han emperors to Category:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperors
 * Category:Later Han people to Category:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) people


 * Category:Kuangguo Jiedushi to Category:Kuangguo jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Lingnan Jiedushi to Category:Lingnan jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Lulong Jiedushi to Category:Lulong jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Ningguo Jiedushi to Category:Ningguo jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Pinglu Jiedushi to Category:Pinglu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Shannan Dongdao Jiedushi to Category:Shannan Dongdao jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Song Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Song Dynasty jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Tianping Jiedushi to Category:Tianping jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Weiwu Jiedushi to Category:Weiwu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Wu'an Jiedushi to Category:Wu'an jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Wuchang Jiedushi to Category:Wuchang jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Wuxin Jiedushi to Category:Wuxin jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Xichuan Jiedushi to Category:Xichuan jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Xuanwu Jiedushi to Category:Xuanwu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Yicheng Jiedushi to Category:Yicheng jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Zhaoyi Jiedushi to Category:Zhaoyi jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Zhendong Jiedushi to Category:Zhendong jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Zhenhai Jiedushi to Category:Zhenhai jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Zhennan Jiedushi to Category:Zhennan jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Zhongwu Jiedushi to Category:Zhongwu jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Chengde Jiedushi to Category:Chengde jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Dongchuan Jiedushi to Category:Dongchuan jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Fengxiang Jiedushi to Category:Fengxiang jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Hedong Jiedushi to Category:Hedong jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Henghai Jiedushi to Category:Henghai jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Heyang Jiedushi to Category:Heyang jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Huainan Jiedushi to Category:Huainan jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Anguo Jiedushi to Category:Anguo jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi – C2A (caps) (and adding the word "the" to those below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Baoyi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Baoyi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Dongchuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dongchuan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Kuangguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Kuangguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lingnan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fulong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Ningguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Ningguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shannan East Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shannan East Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Anxi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Anxi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Binning Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Binning Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Chengde Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Chengde Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Datong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Datong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Dingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dingnan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fengcheng Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengcheng Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fengxiang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengxiang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fufang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fufang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hedong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hedong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hexi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hexi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hezhong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hezhong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Huainan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Huainan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jinghai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinghai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingnan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jingyuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingyuan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jinshang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinshang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lingnan West Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lingnan West Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Longyou Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Longyou Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Qianzhong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Qianzhong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Rongzhao Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Rongzhao Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shannan West Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shannan West Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shuofang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shuofang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Taining Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Taining Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Tianping Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Tianping Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Weibo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weibo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuding Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuding Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuning Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuning Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuzhen Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuzhen Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xiasui Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xiasui Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xingming Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xingming Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Yongping Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Yongping Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Youguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Youguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhaoyi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhaoyi Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhendong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhendong Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenguo Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhennan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhennan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhongwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhongwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wu'an Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wu'an Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuchang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuchang Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wutai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wutai Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuxin Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuxin Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xichuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xichuan Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
 * Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Yicheng Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Yicheng Circuit
 * Category:Baisheng Jiedushi to Category:Baisheng jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Baoyi Jiedushi to Category:Baoyi jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi – C2A (caps)/C2B per and  (also adding the word "the" to those below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Anguo Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Anguo Circuit
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Hedong Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Hedong Circuit
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
 * Category:Jin Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Lulong Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi – C2A (caps and adding the word "the" to those below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhongwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhongwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhenguo Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenguo Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhendong Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhendong Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhaoyi Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhaoyi Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Xuanyi Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanyi Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wushun Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wushun Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wuchang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuchang Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wu'an Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wu'an Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Qinghai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Qinghai Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Ningyuan Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Ningyuan Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Kuangguo Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Kuangguo Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Jingjiang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingjiang Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Jinghai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinghai Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Huainan Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Huainan Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
 * Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Baisheng Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Baisheng Circuit
 * Category:Former Shu Jiedushi to Category:Former Shu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Former Shu Jiedushi of Wuxin Circuit to Category:Former Shu jiedushi of the Wuxin Circuit – C2A (caps and adding the word "the") Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Jiedushi to Category:Five Dynasties of Ten Kingdoms jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:42, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As to all of the "Jiedushi" categories listed up to this point, I believe that they should not be decapitalized becauseJiedushi is a completely unanglicized Chinese noun that, if uncapitalized, will be mistaken for an English one. (I translate it as "military governor," which is also used by a number of scholastic sources, but, believing "military governor" to be an incomplete translation, decided to leave the category names as Jiedushi when I created the categories.)  As for several other groupings below, I also have additional objections in addition to this one.  --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree. We don't capitalize a foreign-language word just because it is a foreign-language word. It's a common noun like any other. The article Jiedushi correctly reflects this—it does not capitalize the term. It's similar to thedaimyo of Japan. Notice that in the subcategories of the word is not capitalized, as with . Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So...is that an actual objection up there (and on the ones below) or just a query? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure. They could go to a full discussion, but I think they'd probably be accepted by the community at large as routine (indeed, "speediable") changes. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, count it as an actual objection then. I do think that uncapitalizing "Jiedushi" looks jarring, if nothing else.  Let's see if there's consensus on this issue.  --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * One additional objection: I think the article "the" is unnecessary and cumbersome. --Nlu (talk) 17:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi – C2A (caps)/C2B per and  (also adding the word "the" on the ones below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Baisheng Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Baisheng Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Ningguo Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Ningguo Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhennan Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhennan Circuit
 * Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhongyi Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhongyi Circuit
 * "Wu" itself needed a "(Ten Kingdoms)" disambiguator because there are other states named Wu in Chinese history. However, this is the only one that was in the time period in which the title of Jiedushi existed; adding "(Ten Kingdoms)" disambiguator seems unnecessary to me.  --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See C2B, above. We match to the article/parent category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Objection. I don't think C2B is talking about the same thing.  C2B is talking about making sure that thecategories are unambiguous, which they already are without adding "(Ten Kingdoms)" given what I explained above.  C2B also refers to, of course, enforcing Wikipedia naming conventions, but the naming conventions do not require (and in fact, call against) referring to "Wu" as "Wu (Ten Kingdoms)" in the text.  Wu is to be referred to Wu in the text as much as possible, adding the disambiguator only when necessary.  (I will say that I tried to call for a move to "Southern Wu" or "Yang Wu" a while ago; I could not get consensus to do so.)  --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Qi Jiedushi to Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) jiedushi – C2A (caps)/C2B per and  Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Qi Jiedushi of Zhangyi Circuit to Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Zhangyi Circuit (also adding the word "the" here)
 * Same as "Wu" above. --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See C2B, above. We match to the article/parent category name.
 * Category:Min to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) – C2D per Min (Ten Kingdoms) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Min Buddhists to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) Buddhists
 * Category:Min people to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) people
 * Category:Min rulers to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) rulers
 * Same as "Wu" above, and it should be further noted that there was no other "Min" in Chinese history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlu (talk • contribs)
 * See C2B above. We match to the article/parent category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See my objection as to Wu above. --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Zhou to Category:Later Zhou Dynasty – C2D per Later Zhou Dynasty Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Zhou people to Category:Later Zhou Dynasty people
 * Category:Later Zhou emperors to Category:Later Zhou Dynasty emperors
 * Category:Later Tang to Category:Later Tang Dynasty – C2D per Later Tang Dynasty Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Tang emperors to Category:Later Tang Dynasty emperors
 * Category:Later Tang people to Category:Later Tang Dynasty people
 * Category:Later Tang empresses dowager to Category:Later Tang Dynasty empresses dowager
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi (C2A (caps) also and adding the word "the" to those below)
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Chengde Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Chengde Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Dongchuan Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dongchuan Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Fengxiang Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengxiang Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lulong Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Tianping Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Tianping Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Xichuan Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xichuan Circuit
 * Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
 * The current article title for the dynasty is Later Tang Dynasty, which I am not moving for lack of a consensus, but unlike the situation with Later Liang Dynasty and Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties), for example, there is no ambiguity as to what "Later Tang" would refer to. Given that, I don't think "Dynasty" needs to be in the category titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlu (talk • contribs)
 * See C2B above. We match to the article/parent category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Objection. See Wu above.  I think you're reading more into C2B than what is actually there.  --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Jin Dynasty to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) – C2D per Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) Good Ol’factory (talk)01:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Jin emperors to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperors
 * Category:Later Jin Dynasty people to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) people
 * I understand the rationale here and am not going to oppose these hard. But it should be noted that while a disambiguation is necessary for the article title, the categorizations for the second "Later Jin Dynasty" can be easily done by combining into various "Qing Dynasty" categories.  --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See C2B above. We match to the article/parent category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Han to Category:Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) Category:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) – C2D per Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Later Han emperors to Category:Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperors Category:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperors
 * Category:Later Han people to Category:Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) people Category:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) people
 * By current naming convention, "D" should be capitalized. (Note that there is a current discussion on this topic, which seems to be yielding no consensus to change.)  --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The article name determines what the categories are called. That is currently Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties). If that changes, then the categories can follow. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll move the article to match the other Five Dynasties articles. If there is consensus to re-uncapitalize it later, it can be moved back later.  --Nlu (talk) 21:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Just so you know, the overall trend is to decapitalize "dynasty" in dynasty articles for non-Chinese dynasties. The Chinese ones seem to be the odd ones out in this regard. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That is why there is an ongoing discussion in WP:NC-ZH on this. Again, there is a split in opinions, due to the issue of whether "Dynasty" is to be considered part of the proper noun or not.  I wouldn't say that my own opinion (against decapitalization) is the majority (it clearly isn't) but there is also no real consensus to change.  --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Consensus doesn't have to be unanimity. It looks to me that there is enough of a consensus there to proceed with decapitalization. Two or three editors can't stubbornly refuse to hold up the train just because they disagree. Combine the discussion with the overwhelming practice in other areas of WP for other dynasties, and I think it's a little retro not to just go forward make the change. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Nominators rationale: Rename all. All of these categories for nominated for speedy renaming but were opposed by the categories' creator. I have set out the speediable grounds for each batch in the drop down box. I'll try to summarize the user's basic arguments against the changes and my responses:
 * Decapitalizing "jiedushi (C2A)": The user argued that "they should not be decapitalized because Jiedushi is a completely unanglicized Chinese noun that, if uncapitalized, will be mistaken for an English one." Response : We don't capitalize a foreign-language word just because it is a foreign-language word. It's a common noun like any other. The article Jiedushi correctly reflects this—it does not capitalize the term. It's similar to the daimyo of Japan. Notice that in the subcategories of the word is not capitalized, as with . Counter response against : user responded that "uncapitalizing 'Jiedushi' looks jarring, if nothing else". Counter-counter response in favour : I don't think aesthetics is the central issue. I still believe that this is a straightforward capitalization issue per C2D.
 * Adding the word "the" to the circuit categories (C2A): The user argued that "the article 'the' is unnecessary and cumbersome." Response : I disagree. In English, we would say "FOO of the BARian Circuit", not "FOO of BARian Circuit". That's just the way standard English works.
 * Matching subcategory names to parent category names, when the parent category is disambiguated (C2B): For instance, the user stated that "'Wu' itself needed a '(Ten Kingdoms)' disambiguator [in ] because there are other states named Wu in Chinese history. However, this is the only one that was in the time period in which the title of Jiedushi existed; adding '(Ten Kingdoms)' disambiguator [to ] seems unnecessary to me." Response : This is a specific issue that has been debated ad nauseum—especially involving the subcategories of, , and , and the conclusion was finally reached that C2B is to be applied across the board and a disambiguator is to be added to all categories when the parent category is disambiguated. This avoids having repeated protracted battles about when we need to disambiguate a category and when we don't need to. There's no reason for these categories to be treated any differently. The user suggested I was reading too much in to C2B, but that is how it is always applied.
 * I've tried to make this as short as possible. I see it as a fairly clear-cut issue on all counts that would regularly be easily resolvable by the usual procedures of the speedy category rename system. — Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose; my arguments are the ones that Good Ol'factory summarized well, and I largely see no need to repeat them, other than that, as to "the," we are speaking in hypotheticals of how modern English speakers would have referred to an ancient Chinese circuit had they been present in time to speak modern English about them. But if we are to speak in such hypothetical terms, It should be noted that it will be extremely rarely for "Guangdong Province" to be referred to as "The Guangdong Province."  I've also never heard of "The Washington State" as opposed to "Washington State."  (I do concede on, for example, "The Irish State" or "The Czech Republic.")  I still think that "the" is unnecessary.  --Nlu (talk) 23:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah! But we're not taking about a "FOO province" or a "FOO state" or a "FOO republic" —we're talking about a "FOO circuit". And I've never heard anyone in English ever say "of FOO Circuit", except in these categories. It's always "of the FOO Circuit". Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You've actually heard anyone say, in an English conversation, "he was the jiedushi of the Shannan East Circuit"? If so, I'm impressed.  But I have to say I would have to imagine that it did not actually happen.  And I've just realized why "The Irish State" and "The Czech Republic" are used; "Irish" and "Czech" are adjective forms, whereas "Washington" and "Guangdong" are not.  Given that parallel, I would say that circuit names like "Chengde" and "Heyang" and "Xuanwu" are definitely not adjectives as such, and therefore should be used without the "the" article, much like all provincial names in modern China, particularly because they, like the provinces of doing, were first-order divisions under the state.  (The only arguable ones would be "Shannan East," "Shannan West," "Lingnan East," and "Lingnan West," I think.)  --Nlu (talk) 23:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I was talking about the generic name format "of the FOO Circuit", which is quite commonly used in English. The format "of FOO Circuit" is not commonly used in English. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're thinking of "the 1st Circuit," "the 9th Circuit," &c., note that those are ordinal adjectives. --Nlu (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, actually I was thinking of some sporting ones, but it doesn't really matter—I can't think of an instance in English where "the" is not used in the context. To me, leaving it out makes it sound like it was translated from Chinese who does not have a very firm grasp of English. (It makes me think of how 60 years ago Hollywood films used to stereotype the ways Chinese or Japanese people speak English as a second language: "Me ... go ... to ... store ... now," "He ... jiedushi ... of ... Chenge ... Circuit ...".) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, adding "the" just seems to be awkward English to me. Again, circuits were, and provinces are, first-order divisions in China.  It would be poor English to speak of "the Shanxi Province," "the Liaoning Province," &c.  Would you say, "I am going to attend a speech by the Governor of the Guangdong Province?"  --Nlu (talk) 02:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (1) and (3) (there is no chance of 'jiedushi' being confused with any English word I have ever met). I am not sure about the 'the': Wang Chongying reads fine to my eye without a 'the' in the various circuits (it would help to know what a Circuit is in this context); and I find this book. Occuli (talk) 00:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (1) and (3), neutral on (2) pending further evidence. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:22, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Aviation accidents in major metropolitan areas

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting aviation accidents in major metropolitan areas


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC - don't especially see how this is a useful categorisation by intersection. Major airports tend to be located in major metropolitian areas; crashes at them will, by definition, occur in the metropolitian area. Unless a specific city has an unusual number of crashes, going "finer" than by-state shouldn't be necessary. The Bushranger One ping only 20:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - dont see anything special about major metropolitan areas with regard to accidents. MilborneOne (talk) 20:13, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - begs the question of how to define "major metropolitan area" in non-arbitrary terms. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Too vague - Which are and are not "major"? Peterkingiron (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:HC Slovan players

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy renamed (C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 00:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:HC Slovan players to Category:HC Slovan Ústečtí Lvi players
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the main article name and differentiate from . Darwinek (talk) 17:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:LPGA Futures Tour

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per no objections. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:LPGA Futures Tour to Category:Futures Tour
 * Nominator's rationale: According to Tewapack: The "Futures Tour" was had several names over the years but the Futures Tour part has been constant. Also no other subcategory of this uses the full name. Armbrust Talk to me  about my editsreview  13:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


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Imperial House of Japan

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename the first one per nom. Delete the second one. All articles in the Category:Japanese Imperial Family are members of other subcategories of Category:Yamato line. So, there is nothing to merge. Ruslik_ Zero 18:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Yamato line to Category:Imperial House of Japan
 * Then proposing upmerging Category:Japanese Imperial Family to Category:Imperial House of Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename/upmerge. The main article for these categories is Imperial House of Japan. (As of this nomination starting, there wasn't even a redirect on Yamato line.) The second listed category is essentially a category grouping living members of the Imperial House of Japan. As a current/living category—which for bio articles are strongly discouraged—I'm suggesting that it simply be upmerged into the parent category, which I propose be renamed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Partial oppose. Rename "Yamato line" into "Imperial House of Japan", leave the "Japanese Imperial Family" alone, see British Royal Family for example. Gryffindor (talk) 09:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * How is the article British Royal Family relevant? Category:British Royal Family does not exist, and categories that categorise current/active/living groups are discouraged. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly—that is an article, not a category. We're talking about categories here, and besides, there is no Japanese Royal Family equivalent—it just redirects to Imperial House of Japan. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So what? Just leave it alone. Gryffindor (talk) 20:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So: what User:The Bushranger said is correct: I don't see how the invocation of British Royal Family is relevant, and the category referred to appears to go against standard practices for categories. Thus, the upmerge should be made; hence the nomination. It would probably be OK to have an article about the living members of the Japanese imperial family, but we don't generally categorize such topics of living groups of individuals. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - and I agree with the above, list, si, cat, no, when it comes to active/living. (One of these days I'll tackle the "Active ships..." tree...) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – current/living categories are hardly ever kept. Occuli (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Buildings used to confine animals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both into a new  Category:Buildings and structures used to confine animals. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings used to confine animals to Category:Structures used to confine animals
 * Nominator's rationale: These two categories have the same focus. One should be merged to the other; I am proposing to merge the less-populated one to the more populated one.   Blue Rasberry    (talk)   03:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Well, buildings and structures are not the same thing.  While the focus may be the same purpose, is the merge really needed? Vegaswikian (talk) 07:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Buildings and structures used to confine animals (subcat of Category:Buildings and structures). Occuli (talk) 16:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge per Occuli. "Buildings and structures" is a longstanding category naming scheme. - Eureka Lott 06:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


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United States Navy ships by namesake

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_ Zero 19:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy territory-related ships to Category:Territory-related ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy state-related ships to Category:State-related ships of the United States Navy
 * Nominator's rationale: See below.--Mike Selinker (talk) 02:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly not too sure about these two. Are they really useful categorisations? I'm leaning torwards a weak delete pending arguments that they are. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:35, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * They have fully developed category trees, so I'm not inclined to mess with them, other than converting them to "X of the Y" format.--Mike Selinker (talk) 05:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Neutral tending torwards support then. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment just a comment but I had no idea until i browsed the cat that it was actually about ships named for places in different states and territories, something not obvious from either cat title. Also most of the ships in state-related cats have nothing to do with the state they are just named after for/after locations in those states, well it confused me. MilborneOne (talk) 19:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, if these are kept, something along the lines of "United States Navy ships with names related to Foo" might be needed? - The Bushranger One ping only 20:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 *  Delete  – this is WP:OC. The name of a ship is incidental to the ship. Occuli (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I agree it would be unsatisfactory to delete the innocent container categories. However the whole scheme should go. In the meantime rename is a good idea. Occuli (talk) 10:29, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete in principle, but.... I'm inclined to agree with Occuli that this is essentially an example of WP:OC. But it is an extensive scheme at this stage, and the subcategories are not nominated. I would support a rename if it needs to be done pending a broader nomination for all of these. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am definitely against deleting these two categories until the subcategories are considered as well. It was not my intent as the nominator to put these up for a deletion discussion, though certainly it's fair to have one. But if people want to have that debate, then the subcategories must be considered.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


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More United States Navy categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all, without prejudice to further discussion on galleys. (Non-admin closure.) – Fayenatic (talk) 08:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy yawls to Category:Yawls of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy torpedo boats to Category:Torpedo boats of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy steamships to Category:Steamships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy sloops to Category:Sloops of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy Q-ships to Category:Q-ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy row galleys to Category:Row galleys of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy rams to Category:Rams of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy experimental nuclear submarines to Category:Experimental nuclear submarines of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy littoral combat ships to Category:Littoral combat ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy high speed vessels to Category:High speed vessels of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy experimental ships to Category:Experimental ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy galleys to Category:Galleys of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy proposed ships to Category:Proposed ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy canceled ships to Category:Canceled ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy airships to Category:Airships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy rigid airships to Category:Rigid airships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy oceanographic research ships to Category:Oceanographic research ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy vehicle landing ships to Category:Vehicle landing ships of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Navy gasoline tankers to Category:Gasoline tankers of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional United States Navy submarines to Category:Fictional submarines of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional United States Navy aircraft carriers to Category:Fictional aircraft carriers of the United States Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional United States Navy ships to Category:Fictional ships of the United States Navy

Plus also these outliers:
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Army hospital ships to Category:Hospital ships of the United States Army
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Army transport ships to Category:Transport ships of the United States Army
 * Propose renaming Category:Continental Navy cutters to Category:Cutters of the Continental Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian Forces hydrofoils to Category:Hydrofoils of the Canadian Forces
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian Forces proposed ships to Category:Proposed ships of the Canadian Forces
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian Forces support ships to Category:Support ships of the Canadian Forces
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian Forces training ships to Category:Training ships of the Canadian Forces
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy armed merchant cruisers to Category:Armed merchant cruisers of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy armed yachts to Category:Armed yachts of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy auxiliary ships to Category:Auxiliary ships of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy hydrofoils to Category:Hydrofoils of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy icebreakers to Category:Icebreakers of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy sloops to Category:Sloops of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy support ships to Category:Support ships of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy torpedo boats to Category:Torpedo boats of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy training ships to Category:Training ships of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Canadian Navy trawlers to Category:Trawlers of the Royal Canadian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Former Royal Fleet Auxiliary ships to Category:Former ships of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional Royal Navy ships to Category:Fictional ships of the Royal Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Australian Navy sloops to Category:Sloops of the Royal Australian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Australian Navy survey ships to Category:Survey ships of the Royal Australian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Australian Navy training ships to Category:Training ships of the Royal Australian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Royal Australian Navy troop ships to Category:Troop ships of the Royal Australian Navy
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian Northern Fleet ships to Category:Ships of the Russian Northern Fleet
 * Nominator's rationale: More USN and other navies' ships of the same type as in yesterday's nomination. There's a 10:1 ratio of "(Ship types) of the (Navy name)" to "(Navy) (ship types)" categories, and this merely completes the process of bringing the USN categories in line with the widely used scheme.--Mike Selinker (talk) 02:16, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support per the wildly predominant "X of Y" scheme in the Category:Ships by navy tree, and per the recent Royal Navy CfD decision that closed with consensus to rename similiar RN cats to X of Y names. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per established convention. MilborneOne (talk) 19:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per established convention. Occuli (talk) 20:29, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support renaming of Royal Australian Navy-related categories. No opinion on any of the others, although the recent 'retconning' of the Canadian Forces Maritime Command back into the Royal Canadian Navy means those categories may need a separate looking-at for this reason. -- saberwyn 21:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On consideration, I think "Former Royal Fleet Auxiliary ships" should be deleted outright as a bad category. The two articles in there should have the relevant RFA category added instead. -- saberwyn 00:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed with that. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:11, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I"ve deleted this now-empty category and struck out that one from the nominations.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:29, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:commonname. For instance the US Navy ship names all start with USS. ie uses the Y X format. It is claimed that the standard format has been established but there has been no general discussion of the subject. (Many of the categories have been speedy changed to the X of Y without discussion). Also past discussions have shown that regional variations are permissable. Cjc13 (talk) 21:31, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This appears to be the dominant format on these, and I would support fully standardizing the categories for ease of use. There's no reason to go backward now on the work that's already been done. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is the new standard.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:11, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't know where to comment on this exactly, but it should be noted that Category:United States Navy galleys are not actually galleys. Only those who write about detailed accounts of the US Navy speak of these vessels as galleys, or occasionally "row galleys". In all other contexts it would be called a gunboat or similar. Peter Isotalo 08:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, for now at least it probably should be left as "galley" as that's the term used in the sources after a quick check. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:12, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, something needs to be done to avoid confusing linking to galley, because these vessels are in most cases either gunboats, or just one of thousands of other minor, difficult-to-define vessels of war. The two neatly divided categories of US Navy "galleys" and "row galleys" seem to me to be the result of a misunderstanding due to ignorance of the general history of galleys and by treating the US Navy as isolated from maritime development elsewhere, particularly the Mediterranean and the Baltic. For example, the two contemporary pairs USS Congress (1776)/USS Washington (1776 lateen-rigged galley) and USS Savannah (1798)/USS Marietta (1803) seem to differ only in what categories they're placed in. I have a strong suspicion that there is no technical or official definition on how the two differ. If there are sources to confirm it, please produce them. And I don't simply mean the mere in-text usage of one term or the other. That can only lead to OR-ish stats of which term is used most often for this or that vessel. I mean academic naval historians actually saying "a US Navy galley is defined as X while a US Navy row galley is defined as Y". Otherwise we're talking about interchangeable synonyms specific to the US Navy c. 1775-1815. Peter Isotalo 17:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the only thing I have right off-hand is DANFS, which uses the terms "galleys" and "row galleys" specificially, and exclusively, for the ships in question in its official histories. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:32, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Mere in-text usage of terms in references is not a useful, verifiable definition of a vessel. That line of argument will eventually lead to active interpretation of sources, which is original research or at least not NPOV. The version of DANFS on Google Books seems pretty clear that the use of the term "galley" to describe gunboat-like schooners, brigantines and whatnot, should not be considered particularly precise. And on top of that, it refers to the 1776 Congress as a "galley", not a "row galley".
 * Other literature than DANFS refers to vessels like the 1776 Washington as a "galley", which according to the current categories should be a "row galley". I'm sure that further variations are easy to find. An example of literature that deals with maritime tradition in a broader sense,The International Handbook of Underwater Archaeology, uses "galley" quite strictly to refer to actual galleys and sticks to "row galley" when talking about US Navy vessels. I tried to describe this in Galley, where I added a paragraph on the US Navy gunboat-galleys based in part on Gardiner & Lavery, The Line of Battle: Sailing Warships 1650-1840 as a source. The impression I got is that it's an authoritative source written by some fairly big names in the maritime history community. Big names that also have contributed to Morrison & Gardiner, The Age of the Galley: Mediterranean Oared Vessels Since Pre-Classical Times. Peter Isotalo 11:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Assuming these are all renamed, I have no objection to reopening the galleys category for discussion about whether or not they're galleys.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Films featuring the World Trade Center

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 18:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * films featuring the world trade center


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category is defined as "films which incidentally feature the World Trade Center prior to its destruction". Because the WTC only appears in these films incidentally—such as being part of the NYC skyline—it is a trivial aspect of the films and should not be the subject of categorization. This is not a category for films about the WTC. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Query: How many films centrally feature the WTC? - The Bushranger One ping only 01:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Depends on what you mean by "centrally featuring", I guess. But I personally don't know of any except those in Category:Films based on the September 11 attacks. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In that case, delete. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining. Was going to suggest listifying as I believe the topic has been discussed, but I see there is already a list created by the same user. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Just as there would not usually be a category for films featuring a cameo by a certain actor, there should be none for appearances of a certain building. If anyone wants to reference this through with reliable sources then they can make a list article for this.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   03:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment It's defining for a film such as Man on Wire, but for something like American Pie 2? No.  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like the editor that populated the category started at the top of the alphabet and then kind of gave up after "A". It would really be a huge category if fully developed, because some of these films have a skyline shot of pre-9/11 NYC and that's about it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete trivial. Even worse than the "about" film cats. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Sengoku-jidai

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_ Zero 19:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sengoku-jidai to Category:Sengoku period in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Sengoku-jidai just redirects to Sengoku period and is just the Japanese term for that period. This category is defined as housing various media that is set in this period. I'm not very "up" on how we name these categories, whether it's "media set in FOO" or similar, but it does need to be renamed somehow to indicate that it is a media or fiction category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment This category is not being populated with only fiction; I think "media" is the term.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   03:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Media, yes—but I can't identify anything in the category that is not fictional. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Expressways in Jacksonville, Florida

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Expressways in Jacksonville, Florida to Category:Expressways in Duval County, Florida
 * Nominator's rationale: Both categories have exactly the same contents - and with good reason, as the City of Jacksonville and Duval County consolidated in 1968, with the only exceptions being four small cities, none of which have expressways not also in Jacksonville. Suggest the Jacksonville cat be a soft redirect to the county cat. The Bushranger One ping only 00:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Per nom.  Dough 48  72  01:03, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Nominator's rationale is sound. --  LJ  ↗  19:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:U.S. Highways in Miami-Dade County, Florida

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Proposed deletion: u.s. highways in miami-dade county, florida


 * Proposed deletion: u.s. highways in ouray county, florida


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC - these are the only two "U.S. Highways by county" categories that exist, and neither really provides additional information above and beyond the by-state categories. All articles already exist in the by-state categories. The Bushranger One ping only 00:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Too narrow scope.  Dough 48  72  01:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak supprt - About the only reason I could possibly think of for Category:U.S. Highways in Miami-Dade County, Florida to exists is that a number of these road congregate in a major metropolitan area. Category:U.S. Highways in Ouray County, Colorado clearly does not fit that criteria. DanTD (talk) 17:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete this is the sort of thing we have Category:Transportation in Marquette County, Michigan, and its kin, for. The benefit of the "Transportation in" categories is that is consolidates all classes of roadway with other related things like airports, rail lines and the like, and only if the category gets too large would you need to split by mode of transportation  Imzadi 1979  →   21:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


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