Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 October 11



Category:Articles to whom geographic naming conventions apply

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted as house-keeping. BencherliteTalk 22:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * articles to whom geographic naming conventions apply


 * Nominator's rationale: Since the category is automatic, I effectively moved it, I hope, by editing the Notice-nc-geo template to say "which" instead of "whom". If this works, then we can delete this category.  Dicklyon (talk) 20:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, looks like it worked; contents now show up in Category:Articles to which geographic naming conventions apply. Dicklyon (talk) 20:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Argentine cartoon

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Argentine cartoon to Category:Argentine comics
 * Nominator's rationale: The categories overlap. "Argentine comics" and Category:Argentine animation should have the all the content; besides, they are distinct categories (animation is not the same than still comics) and more widely used terms. The subcategory Category:Argentine cartoonists should be diffused into the two subcategories, "comic artists" and "comic writers" as needed Cambalachero (talk) 17:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:People in history

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:People in history
 * Propose merging Category:Chinese people in history to Category:Chinese people
 * Propose merging Category:Indian people in history to Category:Indian people
 * Nominator's rationale: All people are people in history. The container categories for Indian and Chinese people certainly suffice, and the global category is just a synonym for "People."-- Mike Selinker (talk) 14:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete/merge per nom. Strange and unnecessary. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete/merge per nom. The correct idea would be to categorize people as from certain periods in history, dont know if thats been done, but these would not even be the container cats for them.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete/merge per nom and Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_September_22. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete/merge - obvious case. Neutralitytalk 19:33, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Ukrainian opera composers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, possibly temporarily. There's no prejudice in this close against creating an entire scheme for opera composers by nationality, but having only one won't do. If someone wants to take on the task of subcategorizing 1600 articles, go to it.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ukrainian opera composers


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Singular case in Category:Opera composers – no other nationalities there. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The category of "Opera Composers" contains over 1,600 individuals. We should categorize them by nationality to increase the usability of the category, much like other similar categories are subcategorized by nationality.--Sanya3 (talk) 22:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That this has not been done yet indicates to me that it shouldn't. There's an obvious potential for nationalistic and anachronistic categorisation, and as there is no easy way to reference category membership, it will invite controversial edits. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per Michael Bednarek.4meter4 (talk) 11:57, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Operas by Czech composers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, possibly temporarily. This seems a little more specious than the one above, as it feels like we've adequately categorized compositions by nationality of composer. But again, if someone wants to do the work, have at it.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * operas by czech composers


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Singular case in Category:Operas (where it isn't listed but obviously theoretically should) – no other nationalities there. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Query: are you nominating Category:Compositions by Czech composers as well? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. This is difficult for me. I don't think that the fact that it's the only such category is a reason for deletion - that could be resolved by creating other such categories. What I see as the issue is that it's useful to a reader to be able to find in one location music (operas) of a particular country - but, as a case like Josef Mysliveček illustrates, that purpose isn't really served by the existing category either. But it's also not served by any existing category structure as far as I know - we have trees for language, and that may be all. No vote for now. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We have a huge subtree of composers by country. but in general we do not have specific composition types by country; we do however have compositions by composer categorized by country (e.g. Category:Compositions by Benjamin Britten is in Category:Works by English people and Category:Classical music in England). Mangoe (talk) 02:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, perhaps the only way to deal with this is on an individual level, eg. Mysliveček in "Italian music" or whatever the category is. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 03:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The tree at Category:Works by nationality is spectacularly incomplete: not a single Compositions by Italian or French people, three Compositions by German people (one of them Handel), one Compositions by an American composer. I suggest that creating these categories is fraught with problems of nationalistic and anachronistic categorisation, and as there is no easy way to reference category membership, they will invite controversial edits. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per Michael Bednarek.4meter4 (talk) 11:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Roller coasters at Hong Kong Disneyland

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:31, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * roller coasters at hong kong disneyland


 * Nominator's rationale: Is it necessary to have this narrow category, that only consists of one redirect? If people wanted to find out what rides that are in Hong Kong Disneyland, I would have thought Hong Kong Disneyland attraction and entertainment history and Template:Hong Kong Disneyland would suffice. ---Michaela den (talk) 11:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Note the previous discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and restore and repopoulate Category:Roller coasters at Disney California Adventure based on the previous discussion. Nothing has changed save an out of process emptying and speedy deletes afterwards.  Vegaswikian (talk) 06:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note Category:Roller coasters at Disney California Adventure was apparently renamed to Category:Roller coasters at Disney California Adventure Park‎ so no action beyond the keep here is needed. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The category is part of a larger set of specific categories, and so overcat rules do not apply here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Populated places in the United States with Asian plurality populations

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 * The result of the discussion was: Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2011 November 10. Dana boomer (talk) 00:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Populated places in the United States with Asian plurality populations to Category:Populated places in the United States with Asian American plurality populations
 * Nominator's rationale: Fits the naming convention for the other categories like this one: Category:Populated places in the United States with Asian American majority populations; Category:Populated places in the United States with African American plurality populations; Category:Populated places in the United States with Native American plurality populations. I think that Category:Populated places in the United States with Hispanic plurality populations may also need to be changed, but I'm not really sure if Hispanic American is as common as simply Hispanic. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all I see no reason for such classifications.Curb Chain (talk) 17:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose I deliberately did not include the "American" in the formulation of this category name. The issue is that the population is of Asian racial origin, as self-identified on the census.  There is no reason to presume that the people so identifying are actually "American" in any sense of the word.  In some parts of the US, especially college towns, many of these people are foriegn citizens in the US on temporrary (in college towns, student) visas, who in most cases intend on returning to their home countries in the near future.  There are clear and distinct ethnic enclaves involved here, but the data we are using with does not lend to subsuming these people as American when in fact the term used on the census is Asian and not Asian American.  Thus it is not analogous to the African American issue.  On census forms the terms is Hispanic or Latino.  Inserting American is even less justified there.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They are queried on American censuses?Curb Chain (talk) 23:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment race, and being Hispanic/Latino or not that are queried on the US census, and the results are released. These factors are described for all census designated places, be they cities, towns, villages or just designated places.  They are also described for states, counties and townships.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As I understand censuses, they only query citizens. Students are not defined as citizens.Curb Chain (talk) 23:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


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