Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 October 29



Category:MGM Mirage

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:MGM Mirage to Category:MGM Resorts International
 * Nominator's rationale: On June 15, 2010 the company officially changed its name from MGM Mirage to MGM Resorts International. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 23:53, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


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1st-century Christian church councils

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Dana boomer (talk) 00:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging both Category:1st-century Christian church councils and Category:3rd-century Christian church councils to Category:1st-3rd century Christian church councils
 * Nominator's rationale:There only 1 such council in the 1st century. No scope to expand. Not that many more in the 2nd century either. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:39, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep both Category:1st-century Christian church councils and Category:3rd-century Christian church councils and delete the most peculiar Category:1st-3rd century Christian church councils. ( is 'by century' not 'by random multiples of centuries'.) Occuli (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment By that logic, a category should be created for Category:2nd-century Christian church councils, despite the fact that no articles exist for it. Should that be allowed to stand in the way of relentless numeracy? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, if there is nothing for a category you don't create it. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Per above. See WP:SMALLCAT and WP:DASH as well. And, no a category that will always be empty should not be created. We have Category:1982 births and Category:1754 births, but not Category:2208 BC births for a good reason. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Clarification I think that my comment has been misinterpreted. If it's a bad idea to create a category just for aesthetic reasons to fulfil a neat numerical sequence, then it's also a bad idea to keep a category that has only one entry just for aesthetic reasons to fulfil a neat numerical sequence. As has been pointed out above, WP:SMALLCAT is the relevant guide here. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a part of a series, so size does not matter. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Where is it written that a series trumps WP:Size ? In fact, where is the policy / guideline on series ? Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - the parent categories (Category:1st-century Christianity & Category:3rd-century Christianity) of the two century specific categories show why these should be kept separate. Nothing should be in both categories, but this would need to happen with the suggested upmerge (to a category created by the nom after the nomination). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * keep Category:1st-century Christian church councils and Category:3rd-century Christian church councils and delete Category:1st-3rd century Christian church councils.  The existing categories are how 'part of a series' categories are handled throughout WP.  There is no valid reason to change this usage.  Hmains (talk) 20:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep the categories for 1st and 3rd. Delete the one about the 1st-to-3rd interval as I explained in the duplicate debate Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_7. Pichpich (talk) 14:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Amusement rides by opening year

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to names proposed by Eureka Lott. Dana boomer (talk) 00:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Amusement rides by opening year to Category:Amusement rides introduced by year
 * Propose renaming Category:Roller coasters by opening year to Category:Roller coasters introduced by year
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. I think that the introductions tree and the associated naming change is a better name for this category. While it is true that the rides opened in the said year, they also were introduced in that year.  We have established trees for introductions and establishments but not for opened in.  If this change is approved I would also like to recreate century categories for the rides which were removed in a previous discussion.  At that time this category was small and the argument was that we don't need to do that.  So far there are rides in three different centuries, and I suspect that there are articles on earlier ones.  Also both major parents after this change group by century. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: If this is approved, a template change will be needed. That template change can also be used to move all of the articles into the new tree, Category:Amusement rides introduced in yyyy.  The bot can be used to move the text for the subcategories. If approved, leave a talk note for the template work. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. I always thought these were an odd entry in the Category:Establishments by year set of categories, they would be better in Category:Introductions by year. Tim! (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The rationale makes sense, but the proposed names sound a little awkward to me. Category:Amusement park ride introductions by year might better match the other subcategories of Category:Introductions by year. - Eureka Lott 16:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Park could be an issue since all of these rides are not in amusement parks. As memory serves, there is a rather old carousel in a Paris park (not the amusement type of park) from the 1700s or 1800s that would not fit.  What about a ride that is only on the traveling carnival circuit like Eurostar?  Then for modern rides, we have several not in parks like The Roller Coaster?   Do any of your local malls have a carousel or another amusement ride? Vegaswikian (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I was careless there. I meant to type Category:Amusement ride introductions by year. Its counterpart would be Category:Roller coaster introductions by year. - Eureka Lott 19:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds better. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename using EurekaLott's suggestion. Pichpich (talk) 14:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Pease family (Darlington)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Pease family (Darlington) to Category:Pease family
 * Nominator's rationale: We have no other Pease family categories. The article is at Pease family (Darlington), but that doesn't mean we have to distinguish here. If we are uncomfortable going this far, then it should be renamed to Category:Pease family of Darlington-- Mike Selinker (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to oppose as the category is specifically for this family which has a larger number of well-known members but there are many well-known Peases who are not in this family and have no connection (or no near connection) to this family except last name (but they themselves are in Pease families and some might be closely related to each other though not yet noted). --Erp (talk) 21:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support as per other families, eg Category:Fry family, as this is the only notable family with that name. Cjc13 (talk) 15:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Trapp

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Trapp to Category:Trapp family
 * Nominator's rationale: This category, unlike most in Category:Families, contains musicals, locations, charities, etc. But I still think it qualifies for renaming to Category:Trapp family, because everything derives from the family.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 20:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Category:Schönborn and Category:Lichnowsky are proposed for speedy renaming. These three are the anomalies within Category:Austrian noble families.- choster (talk) 04:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Those two seemed a lot more clear-cut to me, which is why I put them up on Speedy. If you have objections, they can come over here too.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Cjc13 (talk) 15:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Introductions

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Introductions to Category:Introduction articles
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is for special purpose high level introduction articles. The problem here is that introductions are are a full tree that can not roll up the the logical parent and conversely, this category does not lead down to them. Category:Outlines may be a similar case. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment wouldn't that be Category:Introductory articles ? 65.94.77.11 (talk) 05:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename if merely to disambiguate from Category:Introductions by year. Tim! (talk) 08:17, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Jackson family (Chicago)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Jackson family (Chicago) to Category:Jesse Jackson family
 * Nominator's rationale: When the last name is not enough to disambiguate, the common format is to add the first name. Could also be Category:Jackson family of Chicago or Category:Jackson family of Illinois.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Cjc13 (talk) 15:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Petimeza/Petmeza family

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Petimeza/Petmeza family to Category:Petimezas family
 * Nominator's rationale: Using the naming convention in all articles of this type, such as Nikolaos Petimezas.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 19:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Cjc13 (talk) 15:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Plesent-Meserer

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Plesent-Meserer to Category:Plisetski–Messerer family
 * Nominator's rationale: Matching the names used in the articles such as Asaf Messerer and Michael Plisetski.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 19:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, a great idea to rename. (Just family name Plisetski (Plisetsky) in the United States - is Plesent) --Betsi Jane (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Cjc13 (talk) 15:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Update. I realized I used a hyphen instead of an en-dash, as is the standard. I've fixed that.--Mike Selinker (talk) 02:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Bethmann family of merchants and bankers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bethmann family of merchants and bankers to Category:Bethmann finance family
 * Nominator's rationale: With family categories, the disambiguator goes in the middle, such as in Category:Baldwin acting family.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 19:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Cjc13 (talk) 15:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Stdlib.h

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * stdlib.h


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category 1exec1 (talk) 17:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Tagged for speedy deletion. Tim! (talk) 08:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Stdio.h

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy deleted. Dana boomer (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * stdio.h


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category 1exec1 (talk) 17:29, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Tagged for speedy deletion. Tim! (talk) 08:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Signal.h

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy deleted. Dana boomer (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * signal.h


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category 1exec1 (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Tagged for speedy deletion. Tim! (talk) 08:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


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Move some common sub-categories from Category:Cultures

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 * The result of the discussion was: Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2011 November 10. Dana boomer (talk) 00:15, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * cultures


 * Nominator's rationale: Move some common sub-categories from that category to upper category - Category:Culture: Category:Arts by culture, Category:Culture by ethnicity, Category:Culture by language, Category:Mythology by culture, Category:Names by culture. I think, the upper category is more preferable place. --Averaver (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Lego video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. This was just discussed at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_September_15 with a result of keep. I have moved all video games into the video game category, leaving only tabletop games in the games category.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lego video games to Category:Lego games
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Why on Earth should there be two nearly indentical categories with the same type of articles, but with some articles categorized on one and others categorized on the other? It seems to me that this could be very misleading and confusing, and it would be much better if the second category were to be merged into the first one. It's as simple as that. 69.204.38.3 (talk) 10:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Much of the content of Lego games should be subcategorised into Lego video games. Tim! (talk) 08:19, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


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