Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 September 1



Dover, Kent (again)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom and manually tidy out the "People from" category. The suggestion of "Category:People from Dover, Kent (town)" hasn't been discussed enough at this stage but could be considered in a further nomination for clarity between districts and towns/cities. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Category:Dover, England to Category:Dover, Kent
 * Category:Forts in Dover to Category:Forts in Dover, Kent
 * Category:Port of Dover to Category:Port of Dover, Kent
 * Category:Churches in Dover to Category:Churches in Dover, Kent
 * Category:Napoleonic defences of Dover to Category:Napoleonic defences of Dover, Kent
 * Category:History of Dover to Category:History of Dover, Kent
 * Category:Schools in Dover to Category:Schools in Dover, Kent
 * Category:Bishops of Dover to Category:Bishops of Dover, Kent
 * Category:People from Dover to Category:People from Dover, Kent (and partial merge on last category)

The original category of Dover was split into a disambiguation page following previous discussions. The usual UK naming convention has Category:Town, County when disambiguating places. For the US it is Category:Town, State or Category:Town, County, State. In the US, Dover may be found also in County Kent, however as it is not found in any other county in that state (correct me if I'm wrong) just these two should be fine. A more minor point is that a second Dover in the UK exists, a small village in Lancashire\Greater Manchester. I'm not sure if I should point out that most people searching for Dover in Kent are most likely meaning the English county.

Other Categories where disambiguation is needed includes Category:Rochester, Kent, Category:Plymouth, Devon, Category:Fort Worth, Texas etc.

The Category:People from Dover says it includes people from the district of Dover, yet there is Category:People from Dover (district) which already includes people from the surrounding district. Instead of having two categories on the same subject, People from Dover (once moved) should just focus on the town with those people from the surrounding districts moved out. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 22:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Previous discussions located at Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 23 and Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 23. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 18:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support nom – this is one of the cases where the category has to be disambiguated, and 'Dover, Kent' seems to be the way to go. (Cf .) I would also support 'Dover, England' throughout (as the Dover in Lancs seems very insignificant). Occuli (talk) 13:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support all except one - that to Category:People from Dover, Kent (town) - to disambiguate from the district; ideally I would add (town) to most the other cats too, but I want to get this suggested change done first Mayumashu (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Mild oppose. I'm no expert or anything in UK-naming conventions, but it seems to me that "Dover, England" is the most unambiguous and that there is at least the potential for confusion with "Dover, Kent" due to the Delaware county name issue. It's true that U.S. names on WP are almost never CITY, COUNTY—which is why my opposition is only mild. In the end, either name would probably be acceptable. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose' - the town of Dover is the primary use of the word, therefore there is no need to disambiguate the categories. Mjroots (talk) 07:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Dover (disambiguation) is ambiguous, so it will not do for the category (category names must be unambiguous, otherwise articles will be miscategorised). Category:People from Dover should be a dab category, cf Category:People from Birmingham. Occuli (talk) 13:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support nom I think this is the best set-up for now although cat:Dover, England may be used if confusion would still arise in the future-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:56, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Album songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * album songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete as overcategorization. Radio is full of "album songs", especially on rock stations geared to deep cuts and album-oriented rock, but if a song isn't a single, it won't be categorized as a single but as a song (Category:1973 songs vs. Category:1973 singles), so that distinction already exists. Any song from an album that has an article and isn't categorized as a single is obviously an album track, but, technically, any song from an album that is a single would be an album song as well. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 21:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete This is an indiscriminate category and would include possibly +10 000 articles.23:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Wholly arbitrary. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per above-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Hey it's me I am dynamite 11:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Albums by artist and record label

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * albums by artist and record label


 * Nominator's rationale: Call this a test case on the only subcat. This is an unwieldy and awful scheme for balkanizing album articles and is not at all necessary. The particularity of The Beatles' albums is noted at The Beatles and in detail in The Beatles discography. There is no need for Category:The Beatles Vee-Jay Records albums or Category:The Beatles Parlophone albums or Category:Led Zeppelin Atlantic Records albums etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Note Cf. with Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_August_14.—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. We categories albums by artist, and by record label, but never by the two together. Beatles or otherwise, this is a bad idea.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – a reasonable case has been made for the Beatles North American releases but it does not follow that we need any more 'Albums by artist and record label'. Occuli (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. This would only encourage further use of this category when there should be very few (and, hopefully, no more) exceptions to this artist/label combo. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 01:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Like Category:The Beatles Capitol Records albums, which was kept with no consensus to delete.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Hey it's me I am dynamite 11:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Taking another example, my avatar-namesake Faye Wong's bio used to be sectioned off by her three record companies, but I hadn't even noticed that this had changed. Although one of the transitions marked a significant change in her music, the other didn't. This illustrates that the nominated category intersection is non-defining. - Fayenatic (talk) 18:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Frida albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2D. Timrollpickering (talk) 08:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Frida albums to Category:Frida Lyngstad albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Frida Lyngstad —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename to match article. Occuli (talk) 13:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


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Public transportation in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C/D. Timrollpickering (talk) 08:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Propose renaming:


 * Category:Public transport in Alabama to Category:Public transportation in Alabama
 * Category:Public transport in Alaska to Category:Public transportation in Alaska
 * Category:Public transport in Arizona to Category:Public transportation in Arizona
 * Category:Public transport in Arkansas to Category:Public transportation in Arkansas
 * Category:Public transport in California to Category:Public transportation in California
 * Category:Public transport in California by county to Category:Public transportation in California by county
 * Category:Public transport in Colorado to Category:Public transportation in Colorado
 * Category:Public transport in Connecticut to Category:Public transportation in Connecticut
 * Category:Public transport in Delaware to Category:Public transportation in Delaware
 * Category:Public transport in Washington, D.C. to Category:Public transportation in Washington, D.C.
 * Category:Public transport in Florida to Category:Public transportation in Florida
 * Category:Public transport in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Public transportation in Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Category:Public transport in Hawaii to Category:Public transportation in Hawaii
 * Category:Public transport in Idaho to Category:Public transportation in Idaho
 * Category:Public transport in Illinois to Category:Public transportation in Illinois
 * Category:Public transport in Indiana to Category:Public transportation in Indiana
 * Category:Public transport in Iowa to Category:Public transportation in Iowa
 * Category:Public transport in Kansas to Category:Public transportation in Kansas
 * Category:Public transport in Kentucky to Category:Public transportation in Kentucky
 * Category:Public transport in Louisiana to Category:Public transportation in Louisiana
 * Category:Public transport in Maine to Category:Public transportation in Maine
 * Category:Public transport in Maryland to Category:Public transportation in Maryland
 * Category:Public transport in Massachusetts to Category:Public transportation in Massachusetts
 * Category:Public transport in Michigan to Category:Public transportation in Michigan
 * Category:Public transport in Minnesota to Category:Public transportation in Minnesota
 * Category:Public transport in Mississippi to Category:Public transportation in Mississippi
 * Category:Public transport in Missouri to Category:Public transportation in Missouri
 * Category:Public transport in Montana to Category:Public transportation in Montana
 * Category:Public transport in Nebraska to Category:Public transportation in Nebraska
 * Category:Public transport in Nevada to Category:Public transportation in Nevada
 * Category:Public transport in New Hampshire to Category:Public transportation in New Hampshire
 * Category:Public transport in New Jersey to Category:Public transportation in New Jersey
 * Category:Public transport in New Mexico to Category:Public transportation in New Mexico
 * Category:Public transport in New York to Category:Public transportation in New York
 * Category:Public transport in North Carolina to Category:Public transportation in North Carolina
 * Category:Public transport in North Dakota to Category:Public transportation in North Dakota
 * Category:Public transport in Ohio to Category:Public transportation in Ohio
 * Category:Public transport in Oklahoma to Category:Public transportation in Oklahoma
 * Category:Public transport in Oregon to Category:Public transportation in Oregon
 * Category:Public transport in Pennsylvania to Category:Public transportation in Pennsylvania
 * Category:Public transport in Rhode Island to Category:Public transportation in Rhode Island
 * Category:Public transport in South Carolina to Category:Public transportation in South Carolina
 * Category:Public transport in South Dakota to Category:Public transportation in South Dakota
 * Category:Public transport in Tennessee to Category:Public transportation in Tennessee
 * Category:Public transport in Texas to Category:Public transportation in Texas
 * Category:Public transport in Utah to Category:Public transportation in Utah
 * Category:Public transport in Vermont to Category:Public transportation in Vermont
 * Category:Public transport in Virginia to Category:Public transportation in Virginia
 * Category:Public transport in Washington (state) to Category:Public transportation in Washington (state)
 * Category:Public transport in West Virginia to Category:Public transportation in West Virginia
 * Category:Public transport in Wisconsin to Category:Public transportation in Wisconsin
 * Category:Public transport in Wyoming to Category:Public transportation in Wyoming
 * Category:Ferry transport in the United States to Category:Ferry transportation in the United States
 * Category:Ferry transport in the United States by state to Category:Ferry transportation in the United States by state
 * Category:Ferry transport in Alaska to Category:Ferry transportation in Alaska
 * Category:Ferry transport in Arizona to Category:Ferry transportation in Arizona
 * Category:Ferry transport in California to Category:Ferry transportation in California
 * Category:Ferry transport in Connecticut to Category:Ferry transportation in Connecticut
 * Category:Ferry transport in Delaware to Category:Ferry transportation in Delaware
 * Category:Ferry transport in Florida to Category:Ferry transportation in Florida
 * Category:Ferry transport in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Ferry transportation in Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Category:Ferry transport in Hawaii to Category:Ferry transportation in Hawaii
 * Category:Ferry transport in Iowa to Category:Ferry transportation in Iowa
 * Category:Ferry transport in Kentucky to Category:Ferry transportation in Kentucky
 * Category:Ferry transport in Louisiana to Category:Ferry transportation in Louisiana
 * Category:Ferry transport in Maine to Category:Ferry transportation in Maine
 * Category:Ferry transport in Maryland to Category:Ferry transportation in Maryland
 * Category:Ferry transport in Massachusetts to Category:Ferry transportation in Massachusetts
 * Category:Ferry transport in Michigan to Category:Ferry transportation in Michigan
 * Category:Ferry transport in Mississippi to Category:Ferry transportation in Mississippi
 * Category:Ferry transport in Nebraska to Category:Ferry transportation in Nebraska
 * Category:Ferry transport in New Jersey to Category:Ferry transportation in New Jersey
 * Category:Ferry transport in New York to Category:Ferry transportation in New York
 * Category:Ferry transport in New York City to Category:Ferry transportation in New York City
 * Category:Ferry transport in North Carolina to Category:Ferry transportation in North Carolina
 * Category:Ferry transport in Ohio to Category:Ferry transportation in Ohio
 * Category:Ferry transport in Oregon to Category:Ferry transportation in Oregon
 * Category:Ferry transport in Pennsylvania to Category:Ferry transportation in Pennsylvania
 * Category:Ferry transport in Rhode Island to Category:Ferry transportation in Rhode Island
 * Category:Ferry transport in Tennessee to Category:Ferry transportation in Tennessee
 * Category:Ferry transport in Vermont to Category:Ferry transportation in Vermont
 * Category:Ferry transport in Virginia to Category:Ferry transportation in Virginia
 * Category:Ferry transport in Washington (state) to Category:Ferry transportation in Washington (state)
 * Category:Ferry transport in Wisconsin to Category:Ferry transportation in Wisconsin

Rationalle: Per ENGVAR - see also recent discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 21. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * rename per nom to have US English usage on US categories. A WP guideline. Hmains (talk) 02:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename - Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Go for it. --Kumioko (talk) 00:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Categories named after religious figures

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 06:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Categories named after religious figures to Category:n/a
 * Nominator's rationale: The discussion here is the scheme for the subcategories: sometimes, they are in adjectival form (Category:Categories named after Christian figures), sometimes modifying noun form (Category:Categories named after Scientology figures) and these should be standardized. Thoughts? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete seems unnecessary since subcats and articles should be categorized by their relation, not by their nameCurb Chain (talk) 11:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep  – the subcats, which are not tagged, use an adjective when one exists and a noun otherwise, which is fairly standard. Occuli (talk) 13:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Response What about "Scientologist"...? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as a valid part of Category:Categories named after people and Category:Categories named after people by occupation, unless the whole hierarchy of Category:Eponymous categories is to be put up for deletion as WP:OCAT by shared naming characteristic. As for the names of the contents, the best alternative I can suggest is "Categories named after people in Judaism" etc, but "Categories named after people in religion" is not good for the nominated cat; the existing names are concise and satisfactory. - Fayenatic (talk) 18:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of comics by DC

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C/D. Timrollpickering (talk) 08:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of comics by DC to Category:Lists of comics by DC Comics
 * Nominator's rationale: Per DC Comics, Category:DC Comics, and Category:Lists of comics by Marvel Comics. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support better name, less ambiguous. Duggy 1138 (talk) 21:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Magic: The Gathering cards

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 * The result of the discussion was: Category already deleted as empty. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:10, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * magic


 * Nominator's rationale: Currently this only has one article in it. Individual magic cards  seem to fail generally WP:N to the degree that they need a category (although the article in question is notable), this article would be more accessible in the main Category:Magic The Gathering. (I wasn't sure if this was supposed to be a merger or deletion... sorry if I did it wrong) Crazynast 01:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, this isn't exactly a hard call. I've switched this cat for its parent on Power Nine, so let's say we just tag the category as a C1 and wait the four days.  Cheers.   lifebaka ++ 01:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I was originally going to do just what you did, however the lead in WP:CFD seemed to imply that I shouldn't just remove it. On a technical sidenote (since I'm a newcomer to this xFD) how do you tell that a cat has been unpopulated for four daysCrazynast 02:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * db-c1 takes care of it. I've added the template.  I don't see the need to process merely for its own sake here, when the solution seems so obvious.  If no one objects in the next few days, it'll show up in CAT:SD and another admin will likely delete it.  Cheers.   lifebaka ++ 02:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Grammy Award venues

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 06:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * grammy award venues


 * latin grammy award venues


 * Nominator's rationale: Textbook case of WP:OC. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom; I agree that this is exactly what the guideline is talking about. I'm sensing an issue with the creator of these categories—a number of his/her creations have come up for discussion in the past 24 hours. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-defining attribute for the venue, and per existing policy.  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Occuli (talk) 10:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


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