Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 September 26



Category:Documentary films about countries by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. —  ξ xplicit  19:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Documentary films about countries by country to Category:Documentary films about countries
 * Nominator's rationale: More thin-slicing by User:Stefanomione. The target category has no other purpose than to contain documentaries by country, so a separate category for that makes no sense to me.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 19:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Yes, the target cat can easily and clearly accommodate the national subcats, as we've done previously with many x by y by x categories. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Category:Documentary films about countries already categorizes cats alphabetically.Curb Chain (talk) 06:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. There is no point in having Category:Documentary films about countries by country unless there is some other subcat scheme envisaged: Category:Documentary films about countries by paradigm perhaps. Occuli (talk) 10:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Stefanomione (talk) 10:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Novels set in 20th-century France

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to  and . —  ξ xplicit  19:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * novels set in 20th-century france


 * Nominator's rationale: User:Stefanomione has been very active in creating works set in foo, as well as works by period. And he's also combined this to create Category:Novels by century of setting and by country, Category:Novels set in France by century and Category:Novels set in the 20th century. I think this has gone past the point of reasonable fine slicing and intersections, but I'm not sure exactly where one draws the line. So many novels have been set in so many countries, in the 20th century, that I think Stefanomoine is once again attempting to impose a vastly complex intersection scheme of his own fancy. I think it needs to be nipped somewhere, and I'm reasonably sure the nominated category is WP:OC, and a good place to start. We have in the past deleted "20th century" schemes when it comes to types of artists; deleting the nominated category does not mean we would have to do same for 19th century France and earlier, imo. That said, Mike or others, please add more nominations if you feel it's merited. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete To me, that's the perfect example of something that should be handled through lists or through CatScan. If I'm looking for a book set in France, I don't necessarily want to bother figuring out which century it's set in. (Similarly, I might be looking for a book for which the info I have is the century it's set in. This is especially likely in cases where people can't remember if the book is set in France, in the French-speaking half of Belgium or in the French-speaking part of Switzerland) This kind of intersection imposes such a fine granularity on categorization that things actually become harder to find. Pichpich (talk) 02:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Novels set in France and possibly to Category:Novels set in the 20th century (although I see that the same creator is responsible for both of them, which is not encouraging). Occuli (talk) 10:24, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. realism, romanticism, symbolism, surrealism, dadaism ... all literary movements linked to certain centuries. Novels are studied as emanations of their time by literary critics. Besides, we have categories like category:Books by century, 19th century in literature, ... . My categorization is not "fine slicing" but a wikipedia-instrument for literary critism. Stefanomione (talk) 10:44, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But you're classifying by time of setting, not time of writing so I don't understand your first point. I'm not convinced that this creates truly useful instruments for literary criticism but more importantly, this should not be the objective of categories. They exist to help the average reader and overcategorization that creates numerous small categories is counterproductive. Specialists can always recreate the intersection through outside tools such as CatScan. Pichpich (talk) 14:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * We need to be a little more visionary: with every million articles adding up, some 3000-4000 new categories will pop up. In my view, the categorization by century + country will be usefull and necessary in couple of months. An example ? My category Category:Novels set in Paris was deleted in january 2011 with a vision-less rationale ... it popped up again ... now it contains 60+ articles/novels. Besides, even a simple google-search "novels + century + country" presents a lot of sites/articles/books. Wikipedia less articulated than a google-search then ? Stefanomione (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I was surprised when Category:Novels set in Paris was deleted, myself. But I do think this is a different case entirely. We shall see. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Tracked armored fighting vehicles

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. —  ξ xplicit  19:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Tracked armored fighting vehicles to Category:Tracked armoured fighting vehicles
 * Nominator's rationale: Also nominating Category:Tracked armored personnel carriers for renaming to Category:Tracked armoured personnel carriers. Except for these two categories, everything in the category tree uses the "armour" spelling; these two should be renamed simply for the sake of consistency.  These two categories aren't specific national variants, so we don't have a good reason to spell these two categories differently from the rest.  I've nominated these two rather than the others simply because "armour" is far more common for category names than is "armor"; if you have a good reason for these two to retain the current spelling, I'd suggest that you nominate the "armour" ones for renaming to "armor". Nyttend (talk) 16:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. Rename for consistency. Binksternet (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


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Transport in Taiwan

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Propose renaming: Rationalle: Per base category,. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Bus transport in Taiwan to Category:Bus transportation in Taiwan
 * Category:Ferry transport in Taiwan to Category:Ferry transportation in Taiwan
 * Category:Passenger rail transport in Taiwan to Category:Passenger rail transportation in Taiwan
 * Category:Public transport in Taiwan to Category:Public transportation in Taiwan
 * Category:Rail transport in Taiwan to Category:Rail transportation in Taiwan
 * Category:Road transport in Taiwan to Category:Road transportation in Taiwan
 * Category:Transport disasters in Taiwan to Category:Transportation disasters in Taiwan
 * Category:Transport in Kaohsiung to Category:Transportation in Kaohsiung
 * Category:Transport in New Taipei to Category:Transportation in New Taipei
 * Category:Transport in Taipei to Category:Transportation in Taipei
 * Category:Transport in Taiwan by city to Category:Transportation in Taiwan by city
 * Category:Water transport in Taiwan to Category:Water transportation in Taiwan
 * Oppose. It would be simpler and more consistent with categories for other asian countries to change Category:Transportation in Taiwan to Category:Transport in Taiwan. Cjc13 (talk) 13:35, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, given recent CFD discussions (Categories for discussion/Log/2011 September 6 and Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 21), the consensus seems to be the other way, especially given the head cateory's main article (in this case, Transportation in Taiwan). If you want to try to get the reverse rename done, feel free to add that as an alternative, but don't forget Category:Proposed public transportation in Taiwan. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would be inclined to stick to using transport which is the head category, Category:Transport, unless there is a good reason not to. I would have thought that the term transport is as much understood as the term transportation in Taiwan. I note in Wikipedia Commons, transport seems to be used for all Asian transport-related categories, commons:Category:Transport in Asia. Cjc13 (talk) 21:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The community on the commons doesn't determine how we do things here. And since theey have commons:Category:Transport in the United States, their standard for ENGVAR is clearly different from ours. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename all per, Transportation in Taiwan, usage in Taiwan and cfd of Feb 11. Occuli (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * rename all per nom It has been established here that American English is used in Taiwan and so the main category was named 'Transporation'.  This is necessary followup and cleanup. Hmains (talk) 02:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom, since the parent category is and the article is Transportation in Taiwan. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Second Sino-Japanese War photographs

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. —  ξ xplicit  19:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * second sino-japanese war photographs


 * Nominator's rationale: A category with very few entries does not need to exist. Binksternet (talk) 04:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, as creator. I just made this a few hours ago as part of the new scheme of Category:Works about wars. Under this scheme, we're grouping creative works by the war to which they refer. This photo was an outlier, and so I created this category to house it.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for now but if this is to be permanent, the category needs to be populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep (and populate). Stefanomione (talk) 18:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


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