Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 September 9



Category:Mad (magazine) people

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep and possibly purge. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * mad (magazine) people


 * mad (magazine) cartoonists


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OC. This is a category for people who've contributed to Mad, even if it's not the main thing they're known for (e.g. Ernie Kovacs). Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:34, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, and possibly purge. This isn't performer by performance. Longterm association with a publication is the basis of all the subcategories in Category:American magazine people, and Mad is no different.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, and possibly purge, per Mike. It is/was an iconic magazine that certainly had its share of high-profile artists and editors who were defined by their association with it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Timelines by event type

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Timelines by event type to Category:Timelines
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge "Event types" are a mixed bag, with everything from invasions to withdrawn drugs to electrical and electronic engineering grouped as events. The "by war" subcat is nominated for deletion below, and I've added a couple of parents to the "by revolution" subcat. There are, however, some articles which may get orphaned if we simply delete. I've added medical timelines to the withdrawn drugs list, but there's there still more sorting to do. I suggest an upmerge for now, so nothing gets lost. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Upmerge All timelines are about events, and categorizing by event type has not clear structure.  This is like a miscellaneous cat so it should be upmerged.Curb Chain (talk) 00:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Timelines by war

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * timelines by war


 * Nominator's rationale: Unneeded duplicate by User:Stefanomione to Category:Timelines of military conflicts (and its subcat for more recent conflicts).  Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Danish pastors

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Danish Christian ministers. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * danish pastors


 * Nominator's rationale: One-entry category. No other pastors are categorized by country. Doesn't seem likely to have more than one article anyway. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:34, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Danish Christian ministers – was deleted some years ago (one of PastorWayne's) together with its subcats (redundant to Category:Christian ministers). Occuli (talk) 22:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename, then some other denomination-specific sub-cats of Category:Danish clergy can go into it. – Fayenatic (talk) 21:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Dos Hogares

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * dos hogares


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Two articles don't necessitate an eponymous category in this case. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 19:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Ipperwash Crisis

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ipperwash crisis


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. OC small. Of the two article there in addition to the main article, only one is mentioned in the main article and the other was involved in getting the investigation started and is not mentioned in the article. The article serves as ample navigation for the related articles at this point, even with the above omission. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete; not necessary. Bearcat (talk) 19:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Ormoc

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:03, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ormoc


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Basically empty since the only member of the cat is the main article. Pichpich (talk) 16:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Music of Thessaloniki, Greece

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Music of Thessaloniki, Greece to Category:Musicians from Thessaloniki
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to a narrower scope. There's no indication that music from Thessaloniki is sufficiently distinct to build a meaningful category. On the other hand, the "musicians from" scheme is well-established. Pichpich (talk) 16:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:FL Studio users

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; Category:Ableton Live users may be nominated in a separate nomination. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * fl studio users


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete The software used by DJs and producers doesn't define their music and doesn't define them. (There's no FL Studio sound or anything of the sort) It might be possible to create a well-documented list on this topic but it's not a meaningful categorization scheme. Pichpich (talk) 16:23, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Rationale of category creator: category is based on similar list for the DAW Ableton Live, seen here: Category:Ableton Live users. Per Pichpich, I feel some sort of place where notable users of FL Studio can be collected is pertinent, but not necessarily in category form. If consensus considers deleting the category, I believe the same logic should be applied to the Ableton Live page, it would be silly to delete one and not the other. (I also personally feel that interesting inferences can be drawn from analyzing a community of FL Users, as its relative cheapness could mean it's used more by certain demographics and therefore genres, etc. I could go on at length, but I'll shut my trap for now) MusicLover650 (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: There is a pretty good list of notable users on the FL Studio page. It's updated somewhat frequently and there are specific criteria for inclusion on that list. I don't see the need for a separate category, which duplicates information, unless the list in the article gets too long—in which case the article list could be shortened to include the most notable users and the category could include all FL Studio users. --danhash (talk) 21:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Images of Lexington

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename for now; if anyone wants to do the work of moving the images to Commons, they may do so and thereby empty the category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:09, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Images of Lexington to Category:Images of Lexington, Kentucky
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Name of the state should be attached to category . DanTD (talk) 15:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Move to commons and then Delete. Commons is the home for images that are PD. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Goud

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:51, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * goud


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete A category for an India community/caste that has only two entries, both of which are in any event linked to each other. It has scant likelihood of growing. Sitush (talk) 09:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Boeing Everett Factory

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * boeing everett factory


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. The contents are only aircraft assembled at the factory and this can be handled by the article itself. There appears to be only one article about the factory. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete aircraft already covered by Category:Boeing aircraft no need to categorise by location built. MilborneOne (talk) 19:08, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Mathematicians who committed suicide

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 * The result of the discussion was: Procedural close - there seems to be a consensus that this category has as much right to exist as the rest of the category tree. I have nominated that whole tree for deletion at Categories for discussion/Log/2011 October 3, where this category is included in the nomination, and see no reason for a separate discussion about this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * mathematicians who committed suicide


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. WP:OCTrivial: intersection of two unrelated traits r.e.b. (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of the bigger scheme of Category:Suicides by occupation.  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – the entire tree Category:Suicides by occupation should also go, on the same grounds. Editors seem to delight in forming these intricate structures, gathering together articles to no end whatever. (I am assuming that each person who committed suicide is already included in one of the other suicide trees in .) Category:Ancient people who committed suicide is perhaps not optimally named. - good grief. Category:Suicides by hanging in Montana!! Occuli (talk) 09:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - expresses the point well (and I tend to agree with them regarding the entire tree - it almost invites synthesis, conspiracy theories etc) - Sitush (talk) 10:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep until we have a meaningful conversation about the whole "by occupation" category. (oh and suicides by hanging by country is very much "good grief"-worthy. Talk about a random intersection...) Pichpich (talk) 16:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment next we'll have suicide by race and ethnicity because WP so loves to categorize the misfortunes. Is there any link between being a mathematician and suicide. Somewhere I read that there is among dentists, but hey math can be boring too. (bad pun). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:42, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Suicides by dietary preference' perhaps. Occuli (talk) 20:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep its a reasonable thing for people to browse.   DGG ( talk ) 20:48, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:OCTrivial could not be more applicable. What would be next? Mathematicians over 6' tall, Mathematicians who are Scorpios, Mathematicians whose last name rhymes with 'fish'... --RDBury (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and fell the whole tree. Unless suicide is more prevalent among certain occupations, this split is a trivial one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Futurama production crew

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * futurama production crew


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Overcategorization per WP:OC. Members of a production crew are not literal "performers", but it is analogous to this type of overcategorization. With very few exceptions (e.g., for producers and directors), we don't categorize people by being a member of the production crew of any T.V. series or film. For those concerned about losing information, List of Futurama crew seems to deal with this topic. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:11, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Per precedent. Personally, I'm in favor of categories like Category:Saturday Night Live writers, but the precedent is far and away in favor of deletion. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I created the category because I didn't realize it counted as overcategorization. However, if it does, I'm fine with it being deleted. I have already removed all of the pages that I put in the category. Alphius  ( talk ) 22:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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Category:Indian women freedom fighters

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Indian women freedom fighters to Category:Indian women in war, Category:Indian rebels, and Category:Indian independence activists
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This is an unusual category in that there is no or  category tree. I suspect the name is somewhat POV, given that "freedom fighter" is often regarded as the flip side of the "terrorist" label. I suggest upmerging these to all the parent categories, except for . Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom; one person's freedom fighter is another's terrorist. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


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