Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 28



Category:Flora of Southern China

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Flora of Southern China to Category:Flora of China
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge (which is equivalent to deleting in this case). "Southern China" is not a precisely defined geographical entity so classifying flora along that line makes no sense. Pichpich (talk) 19:30, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete -- The sole content is actually already in the the target. China is certainly a vast country, but the appropriate next level down is the province.  I note that no "Southern China" category exists.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete and upmerge per nom. Benkenobi18 (talk) 10:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can tell us exactly where southern China begins.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Phineas and Ferb members

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as housekeeping (G6) / page dependent on a deleted page (G8). BencherliteTalk 13:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting wikiproject phineas and ferb members


 * Nominator's rationale: Category for members of a defunct project. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Phineas and Ferb. Pichpich (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Non-H visual novels available in English

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Merger performed to ensure all properly categorised. The Bushranger One ping only 06:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Non-H visual novels available in English to Category:Visual novels
 * Nominator's rationale: Overly specific and unnecessary. Longstanding consensus at CFD is that categories based on not being something are a bad idea. A category for 'visual novels with sexual content' might be acceptable, one for 'non-sexual visual novels' (which is what this is) is not. Robofish (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete we do not categorize by what something is not. In this case it makes even less sense, because at least in the circles I frequent people do not use "visual novel" as a code word for sexually-explicit material.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment we also do not classify things as "availabe in language x". If this was "writen in English" and thus limited to articles on visual novels that are "Non-H" (which is not a common way to refer to them at all) and initially written in English, it might work.  Since Wikipedia is not supposed to be language specific (we write in English, but in theory we are supposed to write for a worldwide audience), we should create sister categories for Non-H visual novels available in Japanese, French, Russia, Swahili, German, Greek and any other language that has such, then put each article into each translation it exists in.  We do not want to do that, down that path lies madeness.  Especially since, why stop with visual novels?  We do not want to see what would happen if the works of J. K. Rolling or J. R. R. Tolkien were put in categories of every language to which they have been translated.  We need to nip this category in the bud, because down its path lies madness.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Articles needing images

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. The Bushranger One ping only 06:49, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Articles needing images
 * Nominator's rationale: has been replaced by Category:Wikipedia requested photographs --Traveler100 (talk) 06:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment why is it called "photographs" when some of the articles aren't requesting photos? (instead they want other types of images) 70.49.124.225 (talk) 06:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is for historic reasons. There was at one point many templates, categories and list pages that got too complex. It was decided to combine them all into the reqphoto template. This was renamed to Image requested and text of the template and the category pages edited to reflect that it was for any type of image. There was discussion to rename the many categories and thus update all the 100s of thousands of pages where it is used but was decided at the time that the effort was too great for the sake of what is an administrative background process. --Traveler100 (talk) 10:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose If someone requests an image of a person from the 18th century, they will not expect a photograph. These categories do not overlap, and only a persentist view that ignores the vast majority of human history would think of them as overlapping.  Keep both, but probably make the photos one a subcat of the images one.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:20, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note Category:Wikipedia requested photographs is for all images not just pictures taken with a camera. But in your example a photograph of a painting would be the solution to the request. The naming is slightly unfortunate but is there for historic reason. If someone is willing to rename them all, and the project templates that reference them, then great. See Template talk:Image requested/Archive 1--Traveler100 (talk) 21:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do we use photograph to describe things that are not photographs? That makes no sense at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - scanning an original piece of artwork creates an image of that artwork. And I would hesitate to call that a "photograph", even in the loosest definition of the word. And what about images of documents. See also Meetup/NARA_2. If this is all just about merging some templates, start a WP:VP discussion (I'm not sure that the discussion linked to had quite enough comment or visibility from what I can tell for what would seem to be be a rather sweeping set of changes) and once that's done, find some willing bot owner. It just seems odd to me to be throwing around the word "historical" when image would be the historical term (the file: namespace was called the image: namespace for years until it was renamed very recently). - jc37 00:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


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University of Hawaii baseball

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename; both C2D (albiet a redirect) and a non-controversial change to match the actual current name of the team.  The Bushranger One ping only 03:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Hawaii Rainbow Warriors baseball to Category:Hawaii Rainbows baseball
 * Category:Hawaii Rainbow Warriors baseball coaches to Category:Hawaii Rainbows baseball coaches
 * Category:Hawaii Rainbow Warriors baseball players to Category:Hawaii Rainbows baseball players


 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, the subject of this nomination, allowed its (men's) ports teams to choose their own nicknames in 2000. The baseball team chose "Rainbows" instead of "Rainbow Warriors" or "Warriors". See Hawaii Rainbow Warriors for more details. Also, see Page 3 of the 2012 Hawaiʻi baseball media guide, which specifically lists the nickname as "Rainbows". Dale Arnett (talk) 04:50, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Health in Tibet

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting health in tibet


 * Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT that has no use for differentiation. The existing subcategory is the only content and doesn't need this parent. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 04:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:SMALLCAT as part of the Health in Foo series, in this case as part of the growing by-province categories under Category:Health in China. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * delete not needed. If more content about health in Tibet comes online, this cat can be recreated. --KarlB (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Health in China without prejusice to re-creation if further articles are written. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is no reason to delete, as there is one "Health in Hong Kong"‎ and "Health in Macau‎". The issue of Health in Tibet may concern this issue before Tibet was incorporated into PRC. There is already other articles that may be included in this category. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 13:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * keep for the reasons given by BHG and RT above and also that it is part of a category set found in Category:Tibet. Deletion would leave a hole in this set which includes all the categories one would expect to find for a county (as Tibet once was). Hmains (talk) 02:31, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * keep per BHG and RT. If there's a category for Hong Kong, than Health in Tibet should stay too. Benkenobi18 (talk) 10:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Tibet existed for centuries as an independent land.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Files (hand tool)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Files (hand tool) to Category:Metalworking hand tools and Category:Woodworking hand tools
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Category contains only one page. I can't imagine significant growth. LeSnail (talk) 03:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Highly significant group and there's certainly room for expansion. WP:SMALLCAT is only ever a very minor issue - it's not as if we're short on category space. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:SMALLCAT, because this ah plenty of scope for expansion: see the list at File (tool). I have already added rasp, and as our coverage of hand tools expands there will be lots more to add. However, it should be renamed to Category:Files (tool) to match the head article File (tool). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep (highly subjective), but files belong to metal-working and wood-working tools, so cannot belong just in metal-working. Files are not generic metal-working tools. The generic metal-working tool category is more a parent category, and, for the uninitiated, it needs more descriptive sub-categories. There is not just one type of file. DinosaursLoveExistence (talk) 13:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I support the rename per BHG if this is kept. LeSnail (talk) 02:32, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Richard Burton

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting richard burton


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category houses only main article and a related list that is prominently linked from the main article. LeSnail (talk) 03:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep fairly populated with otential for growth ,also includes taylor burton diamon named after him and kate and sally burton who are most notable for their relationships to him.RafikiSykes (talk) 04:06, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:49, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OC. Eponymous categories for people should be used only for collections of subarticles or collections of articles on a topic about the named person. Only three of the 5 items in this category meet those criteria: the main article and the    Richard Burton filmography, and the Taylor-Burton Diamond. The articles on Sally Burton and Kate Burton do not fit those criteria, so we are left with only 3 items, which fails WP:SMALLCAT. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
 * Comment -- I would have thought that Burton was a sufficiently important actor for it to be possible to justify a category. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OC and per BHG. Oculi (talk) 18:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - My smallcat threshhold is typically c. 4 members. That said, I think that there is clearly potential for growth. And so even if there is no consensus to keep, there should be no prejudice against re creation should more articles be created/found. - jc37 01:28, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per BHG. Given that most of the contents are articles about family members, I can't see that an eponymous category is warranted at this time. Seems like a category for the "Burton family" would make more sense, if anything. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete this category should differentiate from the notable 19th century person of the same name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:22, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


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