Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 13



Category:Venues in Melbourne

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 22:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Venues in Melbourne to Category:Buildings and structures in Melbourne and Category:Visitor attractions in Melbourne
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge to Category:Buildings and structures in Melbourne and Category:Visitor attractions in Melbourne. This is apparently the only by city event venue category and at this time I don't see a reason to expand or continue this by city tree. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * These may also need to be included in an appropriate subcategory of Category:Event venues. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Thunderbirds locations, objects and vehicles

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 01:35, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Thunderbirds locations, objects and vehicles to Category:Thunderbirds (TV series)
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Too wide; both this and the head category only contain a few pages. The pages are already categorised within fictional vehicles, locations etc. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge. There is little prospect of any new articles being categorised here (and none of the articles present in this category are really about objects, only locations and vehicles). Up-merging seems reasonable enough to me.  Super Mario  Man  20:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge The parent category is tiny and could easily absorb what is a rather heterogeneous collection of articles. Mangoe (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Types of radios

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 * The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Types of radios and Category:Models of radios.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Types of radios to Category:UNKNOWN
 * Nominator's rationale: Split to Category:Radios, or Category:Radio models, or something similar. A few of these are about types in the usual sense, e.g. crystal radio and survival radio, but most are specific models in the history of radio. There is already Category:Radiofrequency receivers but the contents there seem to be rather different, viz. very technical pieces of equipment. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Split to  Category:Types of radios and Category:Models of radios. "radio models" doesn't work, since that's a word also used for RC-models. And for models of RF radiation. "Category:Radios" is just unclear. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 05:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Utility software type

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Utility software type to Category:Types of utility software
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename following others, see Special:Prefixindex/Category: Types of. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Would it be useful to have a head category for such categories of articles about generic subjects? Note that they are different from and generally excluded from Category:Categories by type, which hold sub-categories of individual things by type, as opposed to the generic articles here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Red dead redemption

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Red dead redemption to Category:Red Dead
 * Nominator's rationale: There is not enough material about the video game Red Dead Redemption to justify an eponymous topic category. I created Category:Red Dead as a topic category for the entire Red Dead series and still found only a dozen pages. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, and rename Category:Red Dead and Red Dead to Category:Red Dead (series) and Red Dead (series). - The Bushranger One ping only 02:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd have no problem with the second change if the article is renamed first, though I'm not sure that it should be. Is the undisambiguated title ambiguous? -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, since the lede of Red Dead says "Red Dead is a Western action-adventure third-person shooter video game series" (emphasis mine), and there is no game called "Red Dead" itself, it needs to be either "Red Dead series" or "Red Dead (series)", IMHO. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * RM discussion. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge the nominated category anyway, whatever happens to the target or the lead article. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, rename closed as no rename. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Iran Locations

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted CSD G7 as ZSpeed agrees it should be deleted and there are no keep votes. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting iran locations


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary duplicate category; Category:Populated places in Iran already exists.  Super Mario  Man  18:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: when I made this category I was still pretty new and I just wanted to do something to occupy my time. ZSpeed (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tagged for speedy deletion given the above comment. Pichpich (talk) 14:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as irregular creation out of line with regular schemes.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:20, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Athletics competitions by host

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. The Bushranger One ping only 01:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Athletics competitions by host to Category:Athletics competitions by country


 * Propose merging Category:Athletics competitions hosted by France to Category:Athletics competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Water polo competitions hosted by France to Category:Water polo competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Athletics competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Athletics competitions in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Diving competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Diving competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Basketball competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Basketball competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Basketball competitions by host to Category:Basketball competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Golf competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Golf tournaments in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Polo competitions by host to Category:Polo competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Polo competitions hosted by France to Category:Polo competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Basque pelota competitions by host to Category:Basque pelota competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Basque pelota competitions hosted by France to Category:Basque pelota competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Tennis competitions hosted by France to Category:Tennis tournaments in France
 * Propose merging Category:Cricket competitions by host to Category:Cricket competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Cricket competitions hosted by France to Category:Cricket competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Croquet competitions by host to Category:Croquet competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Croquet competitions hosted by France to Category:Croquet competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Football competitions by host to Category:Association football competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Football competitions hosted by France to Category:Football competitions in France
 * Propose renaming Category:Gymnastics competitions hosted by France to Category:Gymnastics competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Water polo competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Water polo competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Gymnastics competitions by host to Category:Gymnastics competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Swimming competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Swimming competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Cycling competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Cycling competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Boxing competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Boxing competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Roque competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Roque competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Wrestling competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Wrestling competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Lacrosse competitions hosted by the United States to Category:Lacrosse competitions in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Lacrosse competitions by host to Category:Lacrosse competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Diving competitions by host to Category:Diving competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Roque competitions by host to Category:Roque competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Boxing competitions by host to Category:Boxing competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Tug of war competitions by host to Category:Tug of war competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Tug of war competitions hosted by France to Category:Tug of war competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Rowing competitions by host to Category:Rowing competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Rowing competitions hosted by France to Category:Rowing competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Sailing competitions hosted by France to Category:Sailing competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Archery competitions by host to Category:Archery competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Archery competitions hosted by France to Category:Archery competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Equestrian competitions hosted by France to Category:Equestrian sports competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Cycling competitions hosted by France to Category:Cycling competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Rugby union competitions by host to Category:Rugby union competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Rugby union competitions hosted by France to Category:Rugby union competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Shooting competitions hosted by France to Category:Shooting competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:Fencing competitions by host to Category:Fencing competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Fencing competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Fencing competitions in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Tennis competitions by host to Category:Tennis tournaments by country
 * Propose merging Category:Tennis competitions in Greece to Category:Tennis tournaments in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Golf competitions by host to Category:Golf tournaments by country
 * Propose merging Category:Golf competitions hosted by France to Category:Golf tournaments in France
 * Propose merging Category:Swimming competitions hosted by France to Category:Swimming competitions in France
 * Propose merging Category:ISSF shooting competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Shooting competitions in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Tennis competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Tennis tournaments in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Weightlifting competitions by host to Category:Weightlifting competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Weightlifting competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Weightlifting competitions in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Swimming competitions by host to Category:Swimming competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Swimming competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Swimming competitions in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Cycling competitions by host to Category:Cycling competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Cycling competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Cycling competitions in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:ISSF shooting competitions by host to Category:ISSF shooting competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Wrestling competitions by host to Category:Wrestling competitions by country
 * Propose merging Category:Wrestling competitions hosted by Greece to Category:Wrestling competitions in Greece


 * Nominator's rationale: Merge all these. The categories "SportX competitions in Foo" are already used in the sense "hosted by" and it's not like there exist rogue sports competitions that are held in France against French will. I think the intent is to separate certain kinds of international competitions that aren't always held in the same country and where one country is considered a host but there's no formal definition of this and by trying to separate these, we're probably making it harder for our readers to find what they're looking for. Pichpich (talk) 14:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:20, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Rally templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge noncontroversial speedy as duplicate with author's consent. The Bushranger One ping only 23:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Rally templates to Category:Rallying templates
 * Nominator's rationale: I think these are logically the same category. I suspect was created (in 2011) without knowledge of the existence of  (created in 2008). DH85868993 (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support: Appear to cover the same topic, and the older category has a less ambiguous name. "Rally" could mean any gathering of people for one purpose, while "rallying" used as a noun is almost always in reference to the motor sport.  Pyrop e  13:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support: As mentioned above, I was completely unaware (until today) of . I only created the category because it was a red-link in Special:WantedCategories. Avic ennasis @ 19:57, 25 Av 5772 / 19:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic chuches completed in 1905

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted by . -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting roman catholic chuches completed in 1905


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category created with spelling error  Eastlaw  talk ⁄ contribs 09:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete -- an obvious error. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Internet Broadcasting

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Internet broadcasting. The Bushranger One ping only 06:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting internet broadcasting


 * Nominator's rationale: Single entry category for a private company with little chance of expansion, too easily confused with legitimate category Category:Internet broadcasting. Dravecky (talk) 07:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge -- This is unlikely to be a large enough company to need its own category, but the article should presumably be in Category:Internet broadcasting. That article may need to be renamed, or possibly a "not to be copnfused with" hatnote on the articles would do the trick.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Heroes task force

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge  Category:Heroes (TV series) task force to  Category:Heroes task force. Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 7 was about renaming from WikiProject; since then, qualifiers such as TV series have not been used on others. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Heroes task force to Category:Heroes (TV series) task force
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant duplicate category. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  06:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge per WikiProject Television/Heroes task force. WikiProjects and task force are not strictly bound by article naming. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm neutral on what to merge where, but no need for duplication. Armbrust, B.Ed. <sup style="color:#E3A857;">WrestleMania XXVIII <sub style="color:#008000;">The Undertaker 20–0  06:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per BF. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge (opposing the reverse merge). I believe there is a superhero task force which this could be confused with. - jc37 23:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Legal buildings in London
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The suggested "buildings of law" has some support, but discussion stalled a month ago. Feel free to make a fresh nomination without delay. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There was agreement to rename to something, but none of the proposals for a new name has gained consensus.


 * * Propose merging Category:Legal buildings in London to Category:National government buildings in London
 * Propose deleting Category:Legal buildings in London
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge This category corresponds to one on Commons but I'm not sure it makes sense here. Note first that there is no "legal buildings" categorization subtree anywhere else on Wikipedia which means that readers are unlikely to go looking for Category:Legal buildings in London and that this category is missing one logical parent. Moreover, we already have London subcategories for Courts, Inns of Chancery and Prisons so the merge won't create a big mess upstream. Pichpich (talk) 02:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Tim! correctly points out that my original proposal for a merge doesn't work. However, I would favor deletion because there's no "legal buildings" categorization subtree and because, as Peterkingiron explains below, the link between some of these buildings is rather tenuous. Pichpich (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose something like Lincoln's Inn is not a national government building. Tim! (talk) 06:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That pretty much kills my original merge proposal, sorry about that. Pichpich (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose but rename somehow -- This category has a unity, relating to the administration of justice, but the name is not ideal. As Tim! has said they are not all governmental.  The converse of "legal buildings" would be illegal buildings, so that the present name will not do.  Another possibility would be a plain delete, on the basis that prisons, courts and Inns of Court [not Inns of Chancery - which are long defunct] are disparate and should not be in a single category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:01, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Buildings of law. Note, category:Courthouses would logically fall in such a category-tree but right now it's just in category:Government buildings. --Lquilter (talk) 02:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you mean perhaps Category:Buildings of law in London? If this category is kept, shouldn't it be London specific? Pichpich (talk) 03:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's fine. I imagine that there will be a need for an entire category tree though, since London isn't the only place to have "buildings of law".  --Lquilter (talk) 23:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Archaeological sites in Europe by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Archaeological sites in Europe. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Archaeological sites in Europe by country to Category:Archaeological sites in Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Redundant as per category scope. Z oupan 01:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- The tag on the parent should be implemented and the country articles moved down to the by country category. This will leave this as a parent for "by period", "by region" (which is probably unnecessary) and "by country".  Strictly Corsica is not a country and arguably the Channel Islands are not, but we should not be pedantic about this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 10:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge. The corresponding categories for other continents do not have an intermediate "by country" category level. This one does have some use, as Category:Archaeological sites in Europe by region contains a sub-cat for the Balkans, and the countries within that should not normally also be in the supercategory Category:Archaeological sites in Europe because of the WP:SUBCAT principle. However, in this case I think it is better to upmerge both the nominated category and the "by region" category. The countries in the Balkans need not feel slighted at being down in an intermediate level category (Balkans below Europe), because they will still be in the worldwide Category:Archaeological sites by country. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge there is nothing gained by having a specific "by country" category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


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