Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 24



Works inspired by

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Works inspired by literary characters to Category:Works based on literary characters
 * Propose renaming Category:Works inspired by Don Quixote to Category:Works based on Don Quixote
 * Propose renaming Category:Works inspired by Dracula to Category:Works based on Dracula
 * Propose renaming Category:Works inspired by Frankenstein to Category:Works based on Frankenstein
 * Propose renaming Category:Works inspired by Sherlock Holmes to Category:Works based on Sherlock Holmes
 * Propose renaming Category:Works inspired by the Holy Grail legend to Category:Works based on the Holy Grail legend


 * Nominator's rationale: Rename, following CFD for Works inspired by people last year. We recognise that "inspired by" is wider than "based on", but the latter covers what we actually want to categorise as it's more objective. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * {Note: this still leaves a few categories with "inspired" to be looked at later.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I only looked into the Sherlock Holmes category but "Works based on" seems to work better for that one. Tim! (talk) 06:30, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - the "Based on" is more accurate and neutral, clearer, and - as per the linked CfD - preferred. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:51, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose: something being inspired by something is not the same being based on it. "Based on" suggests a direct lift, "inspired" suggests a springboard. Anyone of an artistic tendency could understand that difference.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:48, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Works inspired by Hercules would include most of comics super-strong characters. (And thus would be a rather vague, pointless category.) Works based on Hercules, on the other hand, would be a much clearer grouping. - jc37 17:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Precisely - the category is for those directly inspired - i.e., based on. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nom, and past precedent. - jc37 17:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:1979 establishments in Fiji

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Nouniquenames (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1979 establishments in Fiji to Category:1979 in Fiji
 * Nominator's rationale: Eliminating a WP:SMALLCAT unlikely to grow by merging into another (similar and applicable) category Nouniquenames (talk) 17:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - meets the WP:SMALLCAT exemption as part of an established category tree. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, part of a range of cats, both on the "Fiji" line and on the "Establishments" line (note that Category:1979 establishments by country so far has entries for 50 countries, and is actively being expanded by me and others). Fram (talk) 19:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: I have expanded it from one article at the time of the nomination, to five articles now. Fram (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep found one more article for it. Tim! (talk) 06:25, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:SMALLCAT. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It would seem I was mistaken as to the likelihood of this category growing. I withdraw the nomination.  --Nouniquenames (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:1981 establishments in Fiji

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Nouniquenames (talk) 15:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1981 establishments in Fiji to Category:1981 in Fiji
 * Nominator's rationale: Eliminating a WP:SMALLCAT unlikely to grow by merging into another (similar and applicable) category Nouniquenames (talk) 17:15, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - meets the WP:SMALLCAT exemption as part of an established category tree. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, part of a range of cats, both on the "Fiji" line and on the "Establishments" line (note that Category:1981 establishments by country so far has entries for 42 countries, and is actively being expanded by me and others). Fram (talk) 19:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: I have added an article to the category (it had only one at the time of the nomination). Fram (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep part of the series . Tim! (talk) 06:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:SMALLCAT. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep there is a lot of potential for growth for all these categories. The vast majority of articles on things have not been placed in the proper establishment by year by country cat, even among those that are in an establishment by year by specific type of thing cat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


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In other media

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Star Trek in other media to Category:Works based on Star Trek
 * Propose renaming Category:Buffy the Vampire Slayer in other media to Category:Works based on Buffy the Vampire Slayer
 * Propose renaming Category:Tarzan in other media to Category:Works based on Tarzan


 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. I have split by creating a new Category:Works about Star Trek, leaving the old one populated with adaptations etc; it should now be renamed to fit the parent and many others within the Category:Works based on works category tree. (After the three that I have nominated, all the remaining "in other media" categories are Category:Comics characters in other media and its sub-cats, which anyone else is welcome to nominate separately.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename all per nom, much clearer and standardised names. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * rename for clarity. Tim! (talk) 06:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nom and past precedent. - jc37 17:01, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Miami Metrorail and Metromover images

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 * The result of the discussion was: already deleted as C1. The Bushranger One ping only 21:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Miami Metrorail and Metromover images to Category:Tri-Rail stations
 * Nominator's rationale: After moving eligible files to Commons, all that's left is one file that's tagged for transfer but also tagged with a licence I've never seen before - so I've left it - but that still leaves just one file, and of a Tri-Rail train and station, not a Metrorail or Metromover one. So this should be merged to the Tri-Rail stations category - unless this file really can be moved to commons, in which case it'll be C1 for this cat. The Bushranger One ping only 16:04, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The only true rationale for this particular Tri-Rail train being in the category, is that it's at the Tri-Rail and Metrorail Transfer Station, which as the name implies, is shared by the Miami Metrorail system and Tri-Rail. Having said that, I'm surprised all the images which are strictly Miami Metrorail and Miami Metromover-related have been moved to the commons. So, I'll move the last image to the Category:Images of railway stations in the United States, remove the commons tags, and you can delete the category. DanTD 01:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Alrighy then, thanks for clearing that up - delete as C1 then. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * While we're at it, I have to ask what you were expecting to get with a merger, because it seems like you were hoping for a revival. DanTD 03:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I just figured it would be the best way to have the image recategorised and the category deleted without 'emptying out of process'. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Indian Premier League stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 05:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting indian premier league stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. I could not convince myself to tag individual players as representative of the league. Without doing so, I couldn't find many stubs.  Propose deleting category as a greatly undersized stub.  No prejudice against category recreation once 60+ articles found for template.  Dawynn (talk) 09:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete All these articles belong to one of the other cricket stub categories, majority in Category:Indian cricket biography stubs, but some under other such national cats too. There's no reason to have this one separately. I'm not convinced of the need for this separate stub either as the number of players in the IPL is a very small subset of the remainder cats. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no need of it. SpacemanSpiff is completely right, the national cricket-bios ones are enough. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛  Talk Email 16:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - the sport in question should be specified in the name.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Terms

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I note that several editors pointed to a need for a followup merger of the subcats if this one proceeded, so I will open a procedural nomination for the sub-categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:47, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge per nominator.
 * Sub-categories nominated for renaming at CfD 2012 September 22. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Terms to Category:Terminology
 * Nominator's rationale: Aren't they the same thing since "term" is a contraction of "terminology"? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:52, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. "Terms" and the jargon, especially the technical jargon, used in a well defined field.  "Terminology" is the study of terms.  So, no, to be pedantic, the first is not simply an abbreviation of the second.  But in this specific case, better to use "terminology" because "term" usually means a fixed period of time and so is ambiguous.  Do not necessarily make the daughter categories match, as they, "Business terms", "Education-related terms", for example, are not ambiguous.  "Political terms" does sound ambiguous.  It is tempting to say rename the lot, but the pages at the bottom are not terminology, a branch of linguistics, but terms, as in terms and phrases.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree that "Terms" is ambiguous, but mere terms do not belong directly in a "terminology" category, not directly. The RfC should be respected or another RfC run. A solution, for the few terms categories that are exclusively not terminology is to remain to something else, such as "terms and phrases". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:39, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support but every subcat will need to be renamed, and there are a number of merges involved as well. Mangoe (talk) 14:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * also suggest rename of result to Category:Terminology by field or something similar. Mangoe (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If there was a renaming I would prefer Category:Terminology by subject to match other such categories but since they are all about field/subjects a renaming is not necessary. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There are some immediate page members which are about terminology in general, but after further reflection I would agree that there isn't a need for a separate "terminology by" level. I agree "by subject" would be a better match to other cases. Mangoe (talk) 23:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that we should use the more often used "terminology" in all of the category names. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. There probably is a distinction that could be made between terms and terminology but I think it is too fine for categorisation of wikipedia articles. Tim! (talk) 06:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The category "Terms" was (re)created following this RfC because some believe that "Terminology" should be purely for articles discussing words.  The vast majority of members "Terminology" are, however, articles whose title is a subject related term.  We need a home for those who want to create subject related categories and we need to put an end to the edit-war-like emptying of subcategories.  Spinning  Spark  14:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename this and all "terms" subcategories. These are synonyms. Whatever some editors might think about subdividing them, most editors will have no idea what goes in which category.--Mike Selinker (talk) 00:59, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The basic problem here is that there are two types of member of these categories (articles discussing terminology and articles whose title is a term). If you propose merging you need to be clear which type you are proposing to keep, or if both are allowed in the same category.  The closer of this debate will also need to assess the consensus on that issue.  On the other hand, retaining two categories makes it clear that both types of categorization are wanted.  Spinning  Spark  10:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no trouble with both of those types of articles in the same category.--Mike Selinker (talk) 21:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Environment by sector

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename - both C2C and G7 (only edits by editors other than creator-nominator the addition of parent cats and interwiki links). The Bushranger One ping only 23:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Environment by sector to Category:Environment by subject
 * Nominator's rationale: per convention. Same goes for the Sustainability by sector‎ category. BTW, I created them but they have since been edited. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Metro Birmingham highways

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Transportation in Birmingham, Alabama.--Mike Selinker (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting metro birmingham highways


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC. Running through Birmingham's metro area (which has no other categories) isn't defining for these roads. Could be upmerged to Category:Transportation in Birmingham, Alabama if desired I suppose. The Bushranger One ping only 02:19, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename, if kept -- All categories relating to Birmingham, AL should contain the word Alabama to disambiguate from "Birmingham, West Midlands". I am largely neutral on the value of the category, but see no objection to its existence, provided the area to which it relates can be adequately defined.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Upmerge/rename, but.... Examination of the "transportation by US city" hierarchy shows huge inconsistency on this point. Most cities, if they have subcats, have them for transit systems, bridges, and streets, and most don't have any of these. There are other categories of this particular ilk, however, and there is no consistency in their naming, e.g.:
 * Category:Interstate Highways in the District of Columbia
 * Category:U.S. Highways in Washington, D.C.; note that the US highway system tries to have an article for each segment in each state
 * Category:Freeways in the Phoenix metropolitan area
 * Category:Roads in St. Louis, Missouri contains the interstates and other freeways, plus a streets subcat
 * Category:Roads in San Francisco, California contains the interstates but not the streets subcat, which is at the same level
 * Category:Southern California freeways belongs to several city transport cats
 * Category:Expressways in the Milwaukee area
 * I would also note that some cats are by actual city, some by metro area; and there are a couple of cases where there is both a city and a metro area main category. I'm inclined in this case to upmerge (that is, rename), given the lack of a parent to merge into . Mangoe (talk) 13:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Transportation in Birmingham, Alabama. If this goes through, it probably makes sense to look at categories like Category:Roads in St. Louis, Missouri and see what they should be renamed to or merged with.  Vegaswikian (talk) 01:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Name is unclear in that it refer to the American Birmingham.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete this sets a bad precedent for putting some highways in dozens of categories like this.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Serbian business biography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:30, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting serbian business biography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Found very few stub articles to tag in the permanent category. Propose deleting this category and upmerging (to  and ) until 60+ articles can be tagged. Dawynn (talk) 00:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Algerian mosque stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:59, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting algerian mosque stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Even the permanent category contains very few articles.  Propose upmerging until template used on 60+ articles.  Upmerge to  and . Dawynn (talk) 00:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Charlotte County, Virginia geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting charlotte county, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Southampton County, Virginia geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting southampton county, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Goochland County, Virginia geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting goochland county, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:City of Norfolk, Virginia geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting city of norfolk, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Sussex County, Virginia geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sussex county, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Campbell County, Virginia geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting campbell county, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Amherst County, Virginia geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting amherst county, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Richmond City, Virginia geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting richmond city, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Ditto for this VA geo stub category. Dawynn (talk) 00:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Lunenburg County, Virginia geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lunenburg county, virginia geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Severely undersized Virginia geography stub category. See previous discussion with agreement that all Virginia geography categories under 10 pages should be deleted, with templates kept but upmerged. Dawynn (talk) 00:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


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