Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 December 24



Category:1910 disestablishments in Turkey

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:1910 disestablishments in Turkey to Category:1910 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale The country at the time is refered to in wikipedia as the Ottoman Empire. At the time the term Turkey was at times used.  When it was used it was used as a synonym for the Ottoman Empire.  Thus my 1910 Farmer's Atlas shows a place it designates as Turkey stretching to the Adriatic Sea and covering what is today Albania and other such places.  Beyond this, both articles involved identify the location involved as being in the Ottoman Empire, one Moda FC, has a statement saying it is not Turkish on the talk page.  On the other the page is identified as being part of the wikipedia project for the Ottoman Empire.  Disestablishments by year is a place by year category, and the logical place to identifiy is the place at the time.  We use Turkey in wikipedia to refer to the modern nation-state of that name.  Since that nation-state was not formed until 1923, it is particularly odd to identify places disestablished 13 years earlier with it.  Whether these things should be in any Turkey categories is another question, they might well be, but it makes way more sense to do place by year categories in a way that they reflect the places in the years involved.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:43, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename; why didn't you put this at WP:CFDS? It's highly important that category names follow article names, and since the article name for this country at this time is Ottoman Empire, the category name should do likewise.  Nyttend (talk) 02:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Well considering the similar proposal to rename Category:1911 establishments in Turkey has been opposed, I see no reason to speedy this, since people will just object to trying to speedy it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:24, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, maybe I was wrong. No one seems to object to it at all.  I even notified the Ottoman Empire wikipedia project about it, but no one seems to have taken notice.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Legislatures of non-governmental organizations

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at 2013 JAN 8 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Legislatures of non-governmental organizations to Category:Legislatures of religious organizations I am making this proposal because all the articles placed in this category are related to the legislative bodies of religious groups. --Devin Murphy (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete or Rename to omit the word legislatures -- I do not think most of the things categorised make laws, so that they are not legislatures. Possibly "General assmeblies of religious bodies".  Alternatively, we could purge World Zionist Council, and make it "Governing assemblies of Christian denominations".  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Peterkingiron you make a good point, these articles are not in the strictest scene really about legislatures of religious bodies but rather governing assemblies of varying kinds of religious bodies. So I would be happy to go with "Category:Governing assemblies of religious bodies" or even "Category:Governing assemblies of religious organizations" for the new name of the category. But I think "Governing assemblies of Christian denominations" is to narrow a category as it would require we remove both "World Zionist Congress" and "General Assembly (Unitarian Universalist Association)" from this category and this category is rather sparsely populated at the moment. That being said, I do think it has the potential to be widely populated and of great use. --Devin Murphy (talk) 05:34, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


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Muppet subcategories

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per Jc37, with Jedi94's "television series" emendation.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:09, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Muppet books to Category:The Muppets books
 * Propose renaming Category:Muppet films to Category:The Muppets films
 * Propose renaming Category:Muppet series to Category:The Muppets series
 * Propose renaming Category:Muppet specials to Category:The Muppets specials
 * Propose renaming Category:Muppets songs to Category:The Muppets songs
 * Propose renaming Category:Muppet video games to Category:The Muppets video games
 * Nominator's rationale: All of these subcategories should be parallel in their names to their parent category: Category:The Muppets. ~ Jedi94  ( talk ) 20:42, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Alternative rename to "Foo based on The Muppets" format. That seems to be the preferred format nowadays (and now that RL has stopped gnawing on me I need to get back to work proposing the renames I was working on before it started chowing down). - The Bushranger One ping only 23:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I support bushranger's alternate rename proposal. - jc37 00:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What improvement does that offer over the current names? Powers T 22:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Standardisation based upon the name "The Muppets". That said, it occurs to me that this is group of characters as well as a media franchise. So I'm not sure if the "based on" works here. See: Category:Frank Sinatra television specials. Would we say "Books based on Frank Sinatra"? If so, then I would support the "X based on The Muppets" structure, but, that sounds "odd" to me. So instead, I think I support "The Muppets X" - jc37 04:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose; perfectly good, natural, descriptive category names should not be jettisoned for awkward constructions. Powers T 19:39, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - To be clear, per above, I support Renaming:
 * Category:Muppet books to Category:The Muppets books
 * Category:Muppet films to Category:The Muppets films
 * Category:Muppet series to Category:The Muppets television shows
 * Category:Muppet specials to Category:The Muppets television specials
 * Category:Muppets songs to Category:The Muppets songs
 * Category:Muppet video games to Category:The Muppets video games
 * Note the usage of television shows to deal with the ENGVAR issues. - jc37 04:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - What jc37 is suggesting above is ideal. However, I would change Category:The Muppets television shows to Category:The Muppets television series. ~ Jedi94  ( talk ) 20:58, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


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Buildings of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:11, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Former library buildings of the United States to Category:Former library buildings in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Former theatres of the United States to Category:Former theatres in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct hotels of the United States to Category:Defunct hotels in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of the United States by city to Category:Former buildings and structures in the United States by city
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of the United States to Category:Former buildings and structures in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of Amarillo, Texas to Category:Former buildings and structures in Amarillo, Texas
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of Boston, Massachusetts to Category:Former buildings and structures in Boston, Massachusetts
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of Chicago, Illinois to Category:Former buildings and structures in Chicago, Illinois
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of Louisville, Kentucky to Category:Former buildings and structures in Louisville, Kentucky
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of Davenport, Iowa to Category:Former buildings and structures in Davenport, Iowa
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of New York City to Category:Former buildings and structures in New York City
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of Omaha, Nebraska to Category:Former buildings and structures in Omaha, Nebraska
 * Propose renaming Category:Former buildings and structures of San Francisco, California to Category:Former buildings and structures in San Francisco, California
 * These are good categories, but they need to be renamed to synchronise with applicable naming conventions. The vast majority of our buildings-by-geography categories use BUILDINGTYPE in PLACENAME; these categories' use of BUILDINGTYPE of PLACENAME.  For examples, see Category:Buildings and structures in San Francisco, California, Category:Buildings and structures in Amarillo, Texas, Category:Theatres in the United States, Category:Libraries in the United States, Category:Hotels in the United States, and Category:Buildings and structures in the United States.  Nyttend (talk) 15:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:25, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment – Category:Buildings and structures by country uses 'in' throughout but Category:Former buildings and structures by country uses 'of' throughout. There is this cfd of 2006 which should perhaps be revisited. Oculi (talk) 19:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename buildings and structures are in places, they should be so named in categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:21, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Oculi is correct of course, but some of the subcategories in their examples dont follow that convention. it does seem to make sense to have former be "of" as they are no longer "in", but is that a conscious convention on our part, or just random, as "in" and "of" seem to be often interchangeable? would be a lot of work to settle either way.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 23:07, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think "in" is better than "of", because "of" could be applied to a building that is associated with one place but located in another, e.g. "Buildings of Kettering, Ohio" could be applied to a building that I recently visited that has been moved to another city. That being said, this nomination is done for reasons of consistency; if I'd found a few "in" categories among a large number of "of" categories, I'd be nominating the "ins" for renaming to "ofs".  Nyttend (talk) 02:16, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Defunct hotels of the United States to Category:Defunct hotel buildings in the United States to make clear this is about the building and not the use of the building and to match Category:Hotel buildings by year of completion. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:28, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think that makes sense. I see no reason to assume the defunct hotel category is about buildings and not use.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * So you don't believe that Category:Former buildings and structures of the United States is about buildings? The requirement for that to be a parent is that most of the contents here are former buildings or structures.  So either that is the wrong parent or my proposed name is less ambiguous. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The category says hotels, not buildings. Just because it has been placed with a given parent does not mean its contents actually merit that placement.  I think it is more logical to assume it is wrongly parented than that it is misnamed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Serbian culture by place

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:13, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Serbian culture by place to Category:Serbian culture
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. There used to be more reason for this category, but since I have created the sub-cat by city, it is no longer needed. Cf. Category:American culture which does not have an equivalent to this extra layer. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:25, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with Kraków

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People associated with Kraków to Category:People from Kraków
 * Nominator's rationale: We've eliminated most of the "People associated with (location)" categories. Nearly all of these people are from Kraków, so the categories should be merged.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 06:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge Per nom.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


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Category:OpenOffice.org

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename per WP:CFD/S/C. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:08, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:OpenOffice.org to Category:OpenOffice
 * Nominator's rationale: After the requested move of OpenOffice.org happened to OpenOffice last summer, then we should also move the category and the cat! mabdul 00:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - obvious and sensible - David Gerard (talk) 12:02, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename; this should have been filed as a speedy-rename request. Nyttend (talk) 15:29, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


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