Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 January 28



Category:Cache

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Cache (computing) per the RM on the main article. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cache to Category:Caching (computing)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. This is a computing-specific category; it's not about caches in general. Compared to "caches", "caching" seems like a better title for the topic (but I think "caches" would be an improvement too, and valid under speedy criterion C2A). See separate move request for Cache. Pnm (talk) 21:53, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * rename per nom for immediate clarity upon sight of the category name and because this is what the category contains. Hmains (talk) 01:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait -- There is a current RM on the main article. Cache (disambiguation) does not to my mind explain the term properly.  This is a word of French origin referring to a place where something is hidden.  The place for the primary discussion is at RM.  When that is determined, the outcome here will be obvious.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait per Peterkingiron. The current naming precedence is dubious in my opinion but in any case we need the main article naming to settle down before we address the category. Mangoe (talk) 19:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Foo

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Australia
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Austria
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Belgium
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Canada
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in the Netherlands
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Norway
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in the United Kingdom
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in the United States - a late addition
 * Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in New Zealand - a late addition
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all above to "Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in Foo" per Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal by country and per decision in WP:CFD on Categories for discussion/Log/2012 January 21. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename all per nom. Oculi (talk) 20:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * REname all in the light of the recent discussion. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note 2 new cats added at end of list. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nom, for consistency with other subcats of Category:Roman Catholic Church. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Goldsborough family

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * goldsborough family


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT, category that unlikely to be further and one of the articles is of dubious notability Secret account 19:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Its survival will depend on whether it is a legitimate subcategory of Category:Political families of the United States. To qualify for that there need to be several notable politicians.  Listify as a section in Goldsborough.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Mears family

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 * The result of the discussion was: Listify & delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * mears family


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT, only three members of this category, unlikely to expand further. Secret account 19:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete This one is the closest to being a real article but is still too small. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Listify as the Mears racing family 70.49.124.157 (talk) 05:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Listify and Delete -- The target should be a new subsection in Mears. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems to parallel Category:Petty family.--Mike Selinker (talk) 01:34, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Music videos directed by Giorgos Lanthimos

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * music videos directed by giorgos lanthimos


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete This category only houses one article. Can't seem to find any other articles to put there.  Quasy Boy  19:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep – part of Category:Music videos by director. Oculi (talk) 21:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - we don't create categories in which the subject filmed just one notable event, or in this case a music video. It's WP:OVERCAT Secret account 00:53, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Sure, there are other director cats but I have to wonder how notable it is if he has only directed one. No shortage of other Song cats for article. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Steam5 (talk) 19:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Shopping in Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * shopping in canada


 * shopping in canada by province


 * shopping in new brunswick, canada


 * shopping in dieppe, new brunswick


 * shopping in greater moncton


 * Nominator's rationale: Created by the same editor who gave us the Category:Shopping areas in Canada category tree, nominated previously. This has been created both as a parent and subcategory to that tree. I don't see an established "Shopping in foo-country" structure, and it appears to duplicate the well-established Category:Retailing by country tree. Yes, one does find several unrelated "shopping in foo" categories but not enough for us to establish a tree in Canada, I believe, and especially because, once again, this has all been introduced to categorize a single shopping mall in Moncton. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:Shopping in New Brunswick, Canada to Category:Shopping in New Brunswick–C2B per /New Brunswick Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And just a note, per below, that I'm also nominating the entire category tree Category:Shopping in Canada for deletion, as well. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick, Canada to Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick
 * Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick, Canada by city to Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick by city
 * Should the last one be Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick by cityorCategory:Shopping areas by city in New Brunswick? More generally, I'm of the opinion that we could do away with the handful of shopping areas categories. There is no established scheme for them, they significantly overlap with the shopping malls category tree, and they seem to serve no useful purpose at this time. Currently we have the chain "Shopping areas in Canada → ...Canada by province → ...New Brunswick → ...New Brunswick by city → ...Greater Moncton → ...Moncton", and it is being used to categorize one article which happens to be in a 'Shopping malls' category. I've no objection to renaming now, but I think this should go to CFD sooner or later for deletion. -- Black Falcon (talk)04:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Shawn in Montreal has already started a nomination for the top-level category; seehere.--Black Falcon (talk) 04:53, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Black Falcon, ya beat me to it. Yes, this whole scheme is based on his stub Shopping area, and exists, incredibly, to funnel readers to a single power centre in Moncton. GoF has already issued User:Genehogan (who still edits undet this name, despite a formal request to change it) a warning about this sort of thing. Let's deal with it all at CfD, I suggest. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete – unless someone can show that Category:Retailing in Canada does not meet the same requirements. Certainly no obvious need for sub-national cats. Oculi (talk) 15:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I should point out that within the Retailing tree there is Category:Retail buildings, which doesn't have a Canadian category yet. Such a cat could group power centres, malls and any other types of shopping buildings that may exist. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There is also Category:Shops. Seems to be a lot of redundancy even without the efforts of the Moncton editor. Oculi (talk) 16:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, although those seem to be for individual shops, rather than agglomerations (?) into malls, power centres and what have you. (Also, I've got to be careful I don't WP:BITE this guy away; he's made a bit of a mess of some things, including his own user ID, but he is Go-To Guy for Moncton, seems to me. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, I see your point, I think, Occuli: Yes, Category:Shops are grouped under Category:Retailers whereas they could be better or also grouped under Category:Retail buildings? Anyway, outside of the Moncton issue, I'm staying out of it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per Oculi. Steam5 (talk) 02:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * 'Delete I agree with Shawn and Oculi. Pichpich (talk) 14:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Irkutsk Airport

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * irkutsk airport


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. There is not enough content about this airport to merit an eponymous category. The category contains only the main article and two files, both of which are used in and, therefore, easily accessible from the main article. If there is no consensus to delete, then rename to Category:International Airport Irkutsk as suggested in the original WP:CFD/S nomination. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per RevelationDirect. Steam5 (talk) 04:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pichpich (talk) 15:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Shopping areas in Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:04, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * shopping areas in canada


 * shopping areas in canada by province


 * shopping areas in new brunswick, canada


 * shopping areas in new brunswick, canada by city


 * shopping areas in greater moncton


 * shopping areas in moncton


 * Nominator's rationale: The creator states in his unreferenced WP:OR stub Shopping area that such areas are "Not to be confused with Shopping Mall (Connected Customer entrance) or Pedestrian mall," then seeks to categorize them all under his new structure. This entire category scheme seems to have been created to funnel us to a single article, Trinity Power Centre, which is a power centre in Moncton, and is categorized as such. (Note that the editor has asked to change his user name, but seems to again be editing under the old one. He's still newish, and admirably eager to write about Moncton, but I'm beginning to think there are some serious WP:COMPETENCE issues.) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:43, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:Shopping in New Brunswick, Canada to Category:Shopping in New Brunswick– C2B per /New Brunswick Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And just a note, per below, that I'm also nominating the entire category tree Category:Shopping in Canada for deletion, as well. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick, Canada to Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick
 * Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick, Canada by city to Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick by city
 * Should the last one be Category:Shopping areas in New Brunswick by city orCategory:Shopping areas by city in New Brunswick? More generally, I'm of the opinion that we could do away with the handful of shopping areas categories. There is no established scheme for them, they significantly overlap with the shopping malls category tree, and they seem to serve no useful purpose at this time. Currently we have the chain "Shopping areas in Canada → ...Canada by province → ...New Brunswick → ...New Brunswick by city → ...Greater Moncton → ...Moncton", and it is being used to categorize one article which happens to be in a 'Shopping malls' category. I've no objection to renaming now, but I think this should go to CFD sooner or later for deletion. -- Black Falcon (talk)04:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Shawn in Montreal has already started a nomination for the top-level category; seehere. --Black Falcon (talk) 04:53, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Black Falcon, ya beat me to it. Yes, this whole scheme is based on his stub Shopping area, and exists, incredibly, to funnel readers to a single power centre in Moncton. GoF has already issued User:Genehogan (who still edits undet this name, despite a formal request to change it) a warning about this sort of thing. Let's deal with it all at CfD, I suggest. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. I raised similar concerns at WP:CFD/S just minutes ago. One issue is that, despite any nuanced differences in definition, 'Shopping areas' and 'Shopping malls' categories would be heavily overlap. Another consideration is the broad meaning of the phrase "shopping area" – logically, it should refer to any area in which shopping is a key or primary activity, but that would extend the scope of the categories to articles about business districts, for example. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * He does state at Shopping area (unreferenced) that "Shopping areas are sometimes called Retail Areas, or Retail park or Power center." So this might well end up a redirect, if he cannot provide any references. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Black Falcon. Steam5 (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all - redundant to Category:Power centers (retail). I would see no objection to Category:Power centers (retail) in Canada or Category:Retail parks in Canada, depending on local usage. Oculi (talk) 11:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Retail parks, it's more a UK term, which jives with what I know. power centre is the term I've heard for these places. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:Power centres (retail) in Canada then. I assume a few of these could be gathered together. Oculi (talk) 14:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll create it soon if no one else does. (I just did as "centers" and am speedily deleting it) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * (comment also posted above↑) I should point out that within the Retailing tree there is Category:Retail buildings, which doesn't have a Canadian category yet. Such a cat could group power centres, malls and any other types of shopping buildings that may exist.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom and Black Falcon. Pichpich (talk) 14:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Annual events in Sackville, New Brunswick

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * annual events in sackville, new brunswick


 * annual events in the tantramar region


 * Nominator's rationale: Created by the same editor, who has already been warned that he's making a bit of a mess of the New Brunswick categories, I believe these two categories fall under WP:SMALLCAT. The structure seems to have beem created for a single article Sappyfest. The population of Sackville, New Brunswick is just 5400 (though it is home to a university). Tantramar Region is just a redirect, with no main article. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete both per nom. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. These are unlikely to grow and they probably make articles harder to find since they're isolated in these over-specific categories. Pichpich (talk) 14:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. Steam5 (talk) 19:26, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Regions of New Brunswick

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge/delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * regions of new brunswick


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary duplication of pre-existing Category:Geographic regions of New Brunswick. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Steam5 (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Geographic regions of New Brunswick. Pichpich (talk) 14:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Single-player games

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * single-player games


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Not clear why this is a different category from "puzzles", which already exists. Richfife (talk) 02:41, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename C2C to (per ) and Keep. I populated the category with parents and subcategories. Most puzzles are one-player, but single-player games need not be puzzle games. Quiddler and Ambush! are not puzzles, and solitaire card games for the most part are not puzzles either. – Pnm (talk) 22:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment not sure the current name is ideal but it's pretty obvious that single-player games and puzzles are different things. For instance, solitaire card games are not usually referred to as puzzles. Pichpich (talk) 15:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep -- In UK "Solitaire" means the game described in peg solitaire. Singleplayer card games are called "patience".  "Delete" is certainly the wrong solution; if we are not to keep it, we should merge it, but neither of the things mentioend is (to my mind) a "puzzle".  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep not all single-player games are "solitaire" in even the US meaning of it (video games, pinball), etc. where single players try to beat high scores or free plays, etc. are all single-player games. Carlossuarez46 (talk) Nor are they puzzles in any normal sense of the term. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Given what others have said is the one which should be renamed to  to match this category. – Pnm (talk)


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Category:American Civil War monuments, memorials, and cemeteries in Pennsylvania

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American Civil War monuments, memorials, and cemeteries in Pennsylvania to Category:American Civil War monuments, memorials, and cemeteries
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge as proposed or to the new name if the proposed rename below is successful. Again I don't agree with TfT on the need to split out states from lightly populated parent categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Another case of overcategorization. Wild Wolf (talk) 03:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Oculi (talk) 12:06, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. 198.252.15.202 (talk) 20:06, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Steam5 (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Category:American Civil War monuments, memorials, and cemeteries

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 * The result of the discussion was: Split per discussion below and at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 January 30 - jc37 17:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:American Civil War monuments, memorials, and cemeteries to Category:American Civil War military memorials and cemeteries
 * Propose splitting Category:American Civil War monuments, memorials, and cemeteries to Category:American Civil War military monuments and memorials or Category:American Civil War cemeteries pointing to the proper parents
 * Propose splitting Category:United States military memorials and cemeteries to Category:Military monuments and memorials in the United States or Category:Military cemeteries in the United States
 * Propose splitting Category:Confederate States of America memorials and cemeteries to Category:Confederate States of America monuments and memorials or Category:Confederate States of America cemeteries
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename Splitting. To match the main parent. I'm also not sure that combining memorials and cemeteries is the best choice, so if consensus is to split these, I would not oppose and would be willing to include the parent in this nomination. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:22, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment – these should be split as the tree is actually Category:Cemeteries in the United States (which intertwines in a most unnatural fashion with Category:Monuments and memorials in the United States to produce the ill-begotten Category:United States military memorials and cemeteries). Oculi (talk) 12:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, will modify nomination and add some others. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. You haven't explained the direction this is going in but potentially this has a broad impact. Separating out into different categories will soon result in artificial groupings. E.g. Antietam National Battlefield, like many such entries, refers to memorials and a cemetery. Before embarking on a massive change I request that you test these changes out with the appropriate project editors (Military, history, Death) who might know something about the subject in question. Ephebi (talk) 19:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Direction? As I said to match the main parents.  Per WP:SUBCAT, most of the included articles should belong in all of the parent categories.  So articles about cemeteries should not be in the monuments category.  The same is true for the other direction.  This will just require the articles themselves to be listed in the correct category trees.  We also tend to avoid categories for multiple types of things. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:25, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support creating cemeteries and monuments categories as seperate categories. If something is both it can go in both categories, but many cemeteries are clearly not monuments, and many monuments are clearly not cemeteries.  Also in some cases the two may be at essentially the same place but notable enough to each warrent a seperate article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


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