Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 July 19



Category:People from Gayville, South Dakota

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Gayville, South Dakota to Category:People from Yankton County, South Dakota
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Just one person in the category and town is under 500 in population. Little chance for growth ...William 22:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:43, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Free-floating objects

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Free-floating objects to Category:Free–floating substellar objects
 * Nominator's rationale: Current name is highly ambiguous; could be free-floating objects in water, or any number of other things. Proposed name would fit under both parent Category:Substellar objects and the actual description the category gives for its contents. The Bushranger One ping only 01:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment the category should not include brown dwarfs, should be restricted to non-brown dwarfs, since many brown dwarfs are known to be individual. -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 02:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Brown dwarfs would count as stellar objects, I believe. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:18, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a debatable point. I'm finding many instances of "free-floating objects" being applied to brown dwarfs, both in scholarly publications and in the press. In addition, brown dwarfs are frequently referred to as "substellar objects". I suppose the alternative would be to create separate categories for "rogue planets" and "free-floating brown dwarfs". Regards, RJH (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 15:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. The brown dwarfs debate has no effect on how we should name the category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Palaces in the Philippines

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Palaces in the Philippines to Category:Buildings and structures in the Philippines
 * Nominator's rationale: First of all, this is a very small category. I'm unsure exactly how big it could possibly get. The main reason is that it's odd to use 'Palaces' to denote a set of Philippine buildings. They haven't got royalty running around them, historical or contemporary. The cat is more likely to mislead the reader than to help them navigate. CMD (talk) 08:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There were, and still are, some local "royals". An example is the people behind the Sultanate of Sulu and some other Muslim royals in Lanao del Sur, although I dunno if they live in palaces. For a list, see Category:Philippine Royalty and Nobility (probably a candidate for renaming as per capitalization, at the very least). – H T  D  01:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of wider schemes. It's a big mistake (likely mainly to occur to Americans) to think only royalty live in "palaces" - the Philippines is not short of bishops I believe, to name but one palace-dwelling group. Johnbod (talk) 12:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:Palaces by country opens with This category overlaps extensively with Category:Royal residences, but not all royal residences are palaces and not all palaces are royal residences.. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Not all bishops live in places. I have never seen anyone describe the residence of the Archbishop of Detroit as a palace.  Whether or not the bishops in the Phillipines live in palaces I do not know, but the one does not imply the other.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, Archbishop-s-Palace-of-Manila now you do know. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment (Nom) None of the three entries are inhabited by bishops. For reference, they are two residences for the President, and one for the Vice-President. CMD (talk) 15:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note that one parent category of Category:Palaces in the Philippines is Category:Houses in the Philippines‎. So if upmerged it should be to Category:Houses in the Philippines‎ and not the one proposed. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SMALLCAT's exemption as part of an established category scheme. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * keep part of Category:Palaces by country category tree. There is no reason at all to leave out the Philippines.  And 'Palaces' are a name used for 'Presidential Palaces' in many countries--no royalty needed. Hmains (talk) 02:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep smallcat says we should not keep categories unlikely to expand. It has been shown there are more things that could go in this category, but are not there, possibly because they do not yet have their own articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep -- the present content is the official residences of the Presidnet and Vice-President of the Phillippines. WE we merge a category about the White House to "Buildings and Structures in Washington D.C."?  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Arabic Art

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:08, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Arabic Art to Category:Arabic art
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename with lower case. Alternatively, as it's a small category, upmerge to and ; but there may well be scope to grow the category. (There is no lead article, hence I brought it here for a full discussion rather than speedy renaming.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Support rename. Mainly functions as a head cat for biographies, & I see no need to upmerge. Johnbod (talk) 12:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It does now; I only just added them. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good move! Johnbod (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support fixing capitalization. Do not merge not all Arabic art is by any definition Islamic.  To pretend these could be treated as the same is false on both fronts.  For one thing, there was Arabic art before the rise of Islam.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant to point out that the page Arabic Art redirects to Islamic art. (There has never been a page at Arabic art). – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And there probably never will be, as Islamic art is the usual term for older stuff. I can imagine Contemporary art of the Arab world though. One day. Johnbod (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The new name should probably be Category:Arab art following the renaming of the head category Category:Arab culture from "Arabic" to "Arab". Google books has 21,000 results for "Arab art" and only 9,000 for "Arab art". Shall I withdraw this nomination and start again, or is this clear enough anyway? – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support that rename too, though I think either is fine. Johnbod (talk) 13:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Arab world culture

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Arab culture by nationality. The Bushranger One ping only 01:28, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging  Category:Arab world culture to Category:Arabic culture
 * Nominator's rationale:  Merge and redirect. This seems to be a category holding national culture categories across the Arab League. It's not needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 *  Oppose Support as revised below. A rename to Category:Arabic culture by state/nationality (or whatever the usual phrase is) would seem the obvious move. Support that. The parent is already rather full & messy. Johnbod (talk) 12:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point. Changing nomination to rename to Category:Arab culture by nationality. ("Arab" rather than "Arabic" following Arab culture; I will put in a speedy request to rename the head category.) However, I still recommend keeping the existing name as a category redirect to Arabic/Arab culture. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The redirect target would now be Category:Arab culture. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Cubic equations of state

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cubic equations of state


 * Nominator's rationale: The category Category:Equations of state is not very populated, this distinction is not needed. (Upmerge articles) Brad7777 (talk) 08:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Upmerge. The meaning of the category is explained at Equation of state, but it is not as if there is another head category such as to make this sub-cat useful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Functionalism

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 * The result of the discussion was: Split. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Functionalism to Category:Functionalism (social theory) and Category:Functionalism (architecture)
 * Nominator's rationale: Of the 25 articles and 2 sub-category. 12 articles treat this category as if it means functionalism (social theory). (These fit the category description). 5 articles and 1 sub-category treat this category as if it refers to Functionalism (architecture). The remaining 8 articles and 1 sub-cat, are to do with Functionalism (international relations) (3 articles), Functionalism (philosophy of mind) (2 articles, 1 sub-cat) and the functionalist perspective in linguistics (3 articles). This split chooses the versions which would be most populated. 8/25 articles and 1 sub-category would not fit this split. But this split would group only relevant articles together and make things a bit clearer. imo it would be worth the split into 5 categories. Brad7777 (talk) 22:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I have removed 2 articles and 1 sub-cat which I added before reading the category definition. Brad7777 (talk) 22:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Split per nom. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Split per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:47, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Split per nom. Johnbod (talk) 11:32, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Biology prefixes and suffixes

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Biological nomenclature. The Bushranger One ping only 01:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Biology prefixes and suffixes to Category:Affixes used in Biology
 * Nominator's rationale: Improvement of grammar. Brad7777 (talk) 14:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment After having a look at the similar Category:Chemistry prefixes and suffixes, I would suggest the same for this too. Brad7777 (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I think Category:Biology affixes and Category:Chemistry affixes would be better. (BTW the latter category isn't tagged.) Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  14:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reminding me Brad7777 (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment this terminology ("affix") appears to be unused while "suffix" and "prefix" are used  -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 04:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I see, then I guess Category:Prefixes and suffixes used in Biology could be used instead. Brad7777 (talk) 10:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Biology terminology. I do not see the point in a specialized category with only five entries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:28, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Question Would it be better placed in Category:Biological nomenclature ? Brad7777 (talk) 12:15, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: See related discussion.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Merge to Category:Biological nomenclature, like the similar category for Chemistry which has been upmerged to Category:Chemical nomenclature (see CFD June 25). Even though that contains separate categories for Prefixes and Suffixes and this one does not, most of the contents here are not actually affixes anyway. (They are parts of binomial nomenclature.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Upmerge (new) to Category:Biological nomenclature. This seems to be what we have decided to do with all these categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Fort Gadsden
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fort gadsden


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT - single-article category (formerly contained an image, now at Commons) with no chance of expansion and not part of an established category tree. Sole article is already categorised in the parent cat. The Bushranger One ping only 03:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not sure why I created it originally, maybe there were other articles that needed a category. If there is only one article, it should be deleted as unnecessary. Gamweb (talk) 08:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete no reason to have this category just for the fort.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Saint Leo College Preparatory School alumni
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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Saint Leo College Preparatory School alumni to Category:Saint Leo University alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: Saint Leo College Preparatory School is a former name of Saint Leo University. I believe it's the general standard to categorise alumni by the current name of the institution, not by the name of the institution at the time. The Bushranger One ping only 02:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose since Saint Leo College Preparatory School was a high school level institution while Saint Leo University is a tertiary educational institution, the respective alumni categories would go in different parent categories. There are precedents for not merging when the institution changes its educational level, such as the fact we have Category:Brigham Young Academy alumni seperate from the alumni of that instution after it shifted to being Brigham Young University and an institution of higher education.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ...ahhhh, I'd missed that, thanks. Consider this withdrawn. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Johnpacklambert, since you're aware of the history here, could you please write a good description in each of those categories explaining who belongs in them so that this confusion can be avoided in the future? Jrcla2 (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:University fire brigades
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:University fire brigades to Category:Fire departments in California‎
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Not part of an established category tree, little potential for expansion, not significant enough to merit splitting from the by-state category. All contents are located in CA so that is the merge target. The Bushranger One ping only 02:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:People from David City, Nebraska
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from David City, Nebraska to Category:People from Butler County, Nebraska
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with only four entries. People from Butler County article has that many. ...William 00:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:People from Dwight, Nebraska
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Dwight, Nebraska to Category:People from Butler County, Nebraska
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with only two entries and little chance of growing due to town population of 204 ...William 00:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:People from Rising City, Nebraska
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Rising City, Nebraska to Category:People from Butler County, Nebraska
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with only two entries and little chance of growing due to town population of less than 400 ...William 00:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Yule songs
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:12, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting yule songs


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Not a defining characteristic of the songs in question and with a definition that emphasises its subjectivity and nebulousness. The Bushranger One ping only 00:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. The category text mixes up several different themes in the text added, Germanic paganism (where the term “Yule” appears to come from), the more general paganism and Heathen which is a redirect to paganism anyway. One of the songs does not make any claim that would entitle to be a member of this category, another I am very suspicious of its right to be in this category. This is a category without a main article and is very misleading as a consequence. I do think there is a worthwhile article on this subject to be written, not sure WP will need this category then, either. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete The category name is questionable to begin with, but at any rate the matter of where various Christmas songs/practices/etc. is speculative and debatable. Mangoe (talk) 11:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. The four member pages are already also in or another related category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete the two I am familiar with are Christmas songs using Yule/Yuletide as a synonym for Christmas with no intention of invoking the pagan meaning of the word. This amounts to false categorization and no one has shown there are non-Christmas songs involved here at all.  This comes down to "categoriazation by use of a word somewhere in the song."  This is not a good scheme at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Christmas songs that happen to use the archaic synonym Yule fails to provide a useful category. Since German (or Anglo-Saxon or Norse) paganism was dead for nearly 1000 years until its alleged modern revival, I doubt there is any WP content related to the original usage.  If there is, it will go better in a category on the religion.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


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