Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 July 26



Category:Architects of Ponce, Puerto Rico

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 01:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Architects of Ponce, Puerto Rico to Category:Ponce Creole architects
 * Nominator's rationale: The scope of this category is "architects who designed structures in Ponce, Puerto Rico". Although this characteristic is interesting in the context of local studies, it is not defining for the people being categorized—i.e., it constitues overcategorization of the performer by performance venue variety. I propose converting the category into one for architects who contributed to the Ponce Creole architectural style and relocating it to Category:Architects by style. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename, as nominated above, to Category:Ponce Creole architects. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 00:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.


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Category:Machine shotguns

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename/merge to Category:Automatic shotguns. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting machine shotguns


 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicates the already-extand . Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Selective-fire shotguns. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:57, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment the meaning of the two categories is different though. "Selective-fire" is a subcategorization of "machine shotgun". Selective fire meaning you can choose manual, semi-auto, burst, auto (or some subset thereof) of firing mode. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 02:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that's WP:OC. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Though which is the better categorization, the more expansive one, or the more selective one? There's only one "selective-fire" category, but we have Category:machine pistols and Category:machine guns ; and Category:Automatic cannons and Category:Automatic rifles ; -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 10:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment isn't the main article Automatic shotgun ? If so, perhaps both should be merged to Category:Automatic shotguns ; though there is also Category:Semi-automatic shotguns‎, which also has the same main article -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 10:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm planning on nominating the article target category for renaming following the merger. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you should go ahead and nominate the article for renaming, so we can consider the best location for it as well, and so perhaps determine the result for these three categories here -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 12:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Having two different nominations at once can be confusing. Best to let this one close, then C2D the result. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Depending on what you want to call the article, it may not be a C2D matter. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 05:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * All the more reason to wait, then. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * All the more reason to do it before even opening the categories to discussion. But since it is open, then opening a discussion on the article naming would be needed. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 07:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * When I initially created this cat I asked for advice at WT:GUNS on the best name and used that advice. No prejudice on a rename if the wider community thinks that's sensible. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: As no consensus was reached during the standard 7-day discussion window, I recommend proceeding with any proposals that affect the main article.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * - I screwed up above. I said I would nominate the article for renaming, when I meant the target category. Gah. Anyway, here's my proposal: merge to to Category:Selective-fire shotguns, and rename Category:Selective-fire shotguns to Category:Automatic shotguns per its main article. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Retail markets by region

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. The Bushranger One ping only 01:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose (up)merging Category:Retail markets by region to Category:Retail markets
 * Nominator's rationale: I do not think that it is necessary, at this time, or useful to split Category:Retail markets by continent. It is not necessary because Category:Retail markets by country, which contains 44 members, does the job rather well, and it is not useful because there is no particular connection between retail markets and continents (unlike, say, association football and continents, where the structure of the sport is, to a large degree, organized by continent). If this is kept, it should be renamed for clarity to Category:Retail markets by continent, since 'region' has too many diverse meanings. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. It may be useful to navigate the culture and history of markets by continent, and there is no reason to assume that the current number of country categories for markets will not increase, so I would not upmerge this. Although at present this only contains just one sub-cat which is for a continent (as opposed to sub- or trans-continental regions), the parent for Category:Economy of Africa etc is Category:Economies by region rather than "by continent", so I would not rename it either. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:53, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The presence of Category:Economy of South Tyrol‎ alongside Category:Economy of Africa in Category:Economies by region illustrates the problem with 'region'. The American Southwest, the Central Valley of California, southern Italy, Southeast Asia, the Middle East, the Americas, the Amazon Basin, the Sahara, and Siberia all are regions, yet it makes no sense to place them all in one category. With regard to the the naming of the parent, this category could be renamed and made a subcategory of Category:Buildings and structures by continent, just like Category:Retail markets by city is a subcategory of Category:Buildings and structures by city (and likewise for the by country category). -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's an odd one out. Category:Economy of South Tyrol‎ could be nominated for upmerging to South Tyrol as it's not part of a set; if it were, they should be down in Category:Economies by country subdivision. A lot of the "by region" categories could be renamed as "by continent" or "by location", but as long as the other Economy categories are "by region" I'd leave this one. If you want to propose a wider rename of Economies, Currencies, Energy, Mining and Retail markets from "by region" to "by continent", I'd support that; "economies by location" would be also needed to hold "by city", "by country" and "by country subdivision". Ah, but we'd need to keep "region" for Arab League, so it might as well also hold EU, Carib & Central America. Category:Coal mining regions could go in it too. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:07, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a strong argument, and so I'll withdraw this nomination. I don't think, though, that we would need Category:Economies by location as we could probably use Category:Economic geography to hold "by city", "by country", "by continent" and others. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Generalist psychology journals

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 01:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting generalist psychology journals


 * Nominator's rationale: not needed any more Tim bates (talk) 16:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The head cat Category:Psychology journals can hold any that are not specific to one of the detailed sub-fields. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Foreign language psychology journals

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Psychology journals. The Bushranger One ping only 01:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting foreign language psychology journals


 * Nominator's rationale: Psychology journals should be categorized according to field. For languages, we have a separate category tree (e.g., "Russian-language journals"). In addition, English is a foreign languege, too (for me, that is :-), so this is something of a misnomer. Guillaume2303 (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Journals not in english. Otherwise I don't know where to put them. And do we want all the journals of the world here? Why not a pointer to wiki.de wiki.japan etc...? Tim bates (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Tim, this is not the "English WP" or the "American WP". en:WP covers everything, as long as it is notable, regardless of the language it was published in and regardless of the language that the sources are published in. And science is very much an international endeavour, so there are good reasons to include academic journals that are not in English. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 16:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Psychology journals as three out of four are not yet in a subfield-specific category. If a journal (in English or any other language) is notable enough in its field to have an article, it should be categorised by its field. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Indian Baronets

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (C2A). The Bushranger One ping only 23:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian Baronets to Category:Indian baronets
 * Nominator's rationale: Common noun, per closed discussion at Talk:Abdy Baronets Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Baronets

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (C2A). The Bushranger One ping only 23:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian Baronets to Category:Canadian baronets
 * Nominator's rationale: Common noun, per closed discussion at Talk:Abdy Baronets Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Baronets recommended by the British government

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (C2A). The Bushranger One ping only 23:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian Baronets recommended by the British government to Category:Canadian baronets recommended by the British government
 * Nominator's rationale: Common noun, per closed discussion at Talk:Abdy Baronets Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Formula Three Euro Series Champions

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Formula 3 Euro Series champions. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Formula Three Euro Series Champions to Category:Formula 3 Euro Series drivers
 * Nominator's rationale: Not a sufficiently high-level series to merit splitting off its champion drivers from the main category. If kept needs to be renamed to Category:Formula 3 Euro Series Champions per the main category. The Bushranger One ping only 00:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - if kept the target should be Category:Formula 3 Euro Series champions - correct capitalisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I was surprised to find that Category:Racing Champions by series was not part of a wider category for sports champions, but it is now. Retain it as part of that, and rename to Category:Formula 3 Euro Series champions. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be OK with this. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:12, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Transportation in Parry Sound, Ontario

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting transportation in parry sound, ontario


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. There were previously seven articles in this category, however six of them were mis-categorised (in Parry Sound District vis-a-vis Parry Sound itself). Once those were removed there was only one article left, which is already in the appropriate PSD category as well, so there remains no need for this category. The Bushranger One ping only 21:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete or upmerge per WP:OC and nominator. Armbrust, B.Ed. <sup style="color:#E3A857;">WrestleMania XXVIII <sub style="color:#008000;">The Undertaker 20–0  00:32, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, transportation categories are not limited solely to the precise geographic location of the topic — rather, topics can also be categorized by function as well. For example, even though its physical location is in Seguin instead of Parry Sound proper, Parry Sound Area Municipal Airport's primary transportation purpose is to serve the town — and therefore it's a perfectly legitimate entry in the town-specific category on the basis of its function, regardless of whether it's actually inside the town boundaries or not. Pearson International Airport isn't physically in Toronto, either (it's actually in Mississauga), but it's still categorized as on the basis of serving the city. Put everything back where it was and keep. Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The trouble is we then have duplication with Category:Transportation in Parry Sound District, Ontario... - The Bushranger One ping only 20:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do we have duplication? How does this constitute an exception to perfectly normal category diffusion rules, by which the town-specific category would replace the district-level one rather than both needing to sit on the same articles simultaneously? Bearcat (talk) 14:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the things in the district category are not in the town? - The Bushranger One ping only 00:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Which brings us right back to the point I made in my first comment, I guess. Bearcat (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: If the category remains, either due to a consensus to keep or a lack of consensus to delete, it should be renamed under speedy renaming criterion C2.C to Category:Transport in Parry Sound, Ontario. At present, however, more discussion is needed to reach a clear consensus.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:00, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Upmerge to Category:Parry Sound, Ontario and Category:Transport in Parry Sound District, Ontario, as unnecessary small category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per Faye. Good job cleaning out the category, Bushranger! Benkenobi18 (talk) 23:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


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