Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 12



Category:Violations of clerical celibacy

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge, with the option to remove any members that are not suitable. Category:Clerical celibacy is a category about aspects of the topic, as a whole, of clerical celibacy and can, therefore, contain articles about violations of the practice. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:40, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Violations of clerical celibacy to Category:Clerical celibacy
 * Nominator's rationale: Not sure about this one. Something seems POV to me about collecting articles on married priests, homosexual priests, and priests abusing children, and categorising them all as 'violations of clerical celibacy'. Category:Opposition to clerical celibacy might be a better idea for a category. Anyone else have any thoughts? Robofish (talk) 23:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom (although I would like to denounce the problems of the church far and wide). The, arhh, member articles are already widely categorised. This category is needless dilution of the topic. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge. A "violations of X" category inherently pejorative, whatever the context. It is also un-needed, because articles about "violations of X" can be accommodated just fine in Category:X. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Why would we merge things that aren't X with things that are X? Just delete the category altogether.Benkenobi18 (talk) 08:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Torture porn

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:43, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting torture porn


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. I realize that this a term that a lot of people like to use (and even has its own subsection on Splatter film) but I think the term itself is a bit loaded to be passed off as an objective categorizing. At the very least, it's something that's easily disputed and has been by various people working on the films in question. For example, Pascal Laugier disputes the term "torture porn" to describe his movie Martyrs as seen in this interview.CyberGhostface (talk) 23:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - I'm inclined to agree, this is too subjective to work as a category. Robofish (talk) 23:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per above comments and a judgement call on my part. I don't really know how far we should satisfy the voyeuristic demands of WP readers but I think a definition is sufficient. There is no need to categorise such subjective films. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Flora of the Sierra Nevada region (U.S.)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Flora of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.). The Bushranger One ping only 19:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Flora of the Sierra Nevada region (U.S.) to Category:Sierra Nevada
 * Nominator's rationale: per convention for Sierra Nevada topics. See Category:Sierra Nevada. Listed on behalf of another editor who had requested a rename. See User_talk:Alan_Liefting. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:19, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Flora of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.), as requested at User_talk:Alan_Liefting, and per Category:Sierra Nevada (U.S.). Oculi (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose — a rename to just Category:Sierra Nevada or Category:Sierra Nevada (U.S.). There are currently 691 plant articles under Category:Flora of the Sierra Nevada region (U.S.). They would 'flood' the parent [Category:Sierra Nevada (U.S.)], and loose being easily and meaningfully findable within a flora subcategory under Category:Flora of California Strongly Support renaming to Category:Flora of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.) (delete 'region'). There already is Category:Fauna of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.) along with current flora cat under Category:Ecology of the Sierra Nevada.— Look2See1  t a l k →  05:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Space adventure video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Dana boomer (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting space adventure video games


 * Nominator's rationale: "Space adventure" is not a widely accepted genre of video game. "Adventure video games that take place wholly or partially in outer space" is also patently false since adventure game means something completely different from how the category is currently being used. Delete as non-notable genre. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Since the advent of Space Quest back in the '80s, it has been a relevant genre, and a significant part of the industry. Benkenobi18 (talk) 08:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that "games set in space" is a real thing that occurs but there is no consensus that the genre of "space adventure" exists in the video game space. For example, one would rarely if ever put "space adventure" into an infobox on a game. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - not a well-defined genre, rather a case of "these games take place partially in space, let's chuck 'em together in this category". - The Bushranger One ping only 18:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and The Bushranger. "Space adventure" does not seem to be a clearly defined genre, though "adventure game" is quite well-defined. We could, I suppose, create a category for adventure games set in space (it would partly overlap with Category:Space simulation narrative-based game), but I don't see a reason to do that as I am generally opposed to categorizing works of fiction by elements of the (fictional) plot or setting. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:35, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:NASA technology spinoffs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2D. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:NASA technology spinoffs to Category:NASA spin-off technologies
 * Nominator's rationale: To match the parent article, NASA spin-off technologies. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  09:23, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I support this. Makes sense.--RadioFan (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Tom Clancy novels

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename with support from category creator. This points that the other subcategories of Category:Novels based on video games might need to be looked at for potential renaming due to ambiguity too. The Bushranger One ping only 18:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Tom Clancy novels to Category:Novels based on Tom Clancy games
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. As currently named, this category is likely to be confused with . The category is for novels that are based on . Such novels are not written by Tom Clancy. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy support - I created category in question without realizing there was a category of a similar name but a different focus. See difference between Category:Star Wars books and Category:Books based on Star Wars video games for a similar distinction. A rename would reduce ambiguity. CaseyPenk (talk) 05:52, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment This should exclude novels that Tom Clancy games are based on, correct? The current category tree does not make that clear. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 06:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe this is for novels based on games, not for novels that games were based on. But I'm unclear where the ambiguity in the tree is: it's a subcategory of, not . Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I diffused Category:Tom Clancy novels from Category:Novels based on video games, so I would imagine these are all books based on games, rather than vice versa. CaseyPenk (talk) 08:03, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Support, more clearly describes what's in the category. Robofish (talk) 23:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Phytogeography by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 18:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting phytogeography by country


 * Nominator's rationale: delete this horrible incomplete category one along with the three subcats. They misrepresent the branch of science of phytogeography . Note that there is no category series for the broader [Biogeography by country].  -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename and broaden scope to Category:Biogeography by country. Category:Biogeography by country would have 5 sub-cats: Category:Biogeography of Australia, Category:Biogeography of New Zealand, Category:Phytogeography of Algeria‎, Category:Phytogeography of Morocco, and Category:Phytogeography of Syria. CaseyPenk (talk) 08:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The Australian category is worth keeping but I don't see the need for Category:Biogeography by country at this stage (per WP:SMALLCAT. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename and broaden scope. Interesting that the larger category doesn't exist but the smaller one does. Also support not creating the country subcats at this time. Benkenobi18 (talk) 08:41, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Water resources by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. The Bushranger One ping only 18:51, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting water resources by country


 * Nominator's rationale: Currently has two articles and one sub-cat. I removed a number of [Water resources management in XXXX] articles and the two remaining ones are in the "Water by country" series (I may end up renaming them). Note that there is no [Category:Water resources]. Also, for the purposes of these categories water resources can be thought of as a synonym for water. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete and roll up to Category:Water resources management by country. BTW, the subject is singular - "Water resource management" - a change which should be rolled out to the other categories. Ephebi (talk) 09:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If closed as a merge per Ephebi, I think that the closing admin should do a procedural nomination of Category:Water resources management by country to Category:Water resource management by country. So I support the merge and a follow on rename (which may be a speedy). Vegaswikian (talk) 00:33, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Water bodies by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Bodies of water by country. As Vegas suggests, emptying of categories during the post-move cleanup is permitted. The Bushranger One ping only 18:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting water bodies by country


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete this category and the subcats of the form [Water bodies by XXXX]. I stumbled across this series when working on a Category:Water by country series. It was started in 2009 and has only had a half hearted stab at being worked on. If we had both Category:Water by country and Category:Water bodies by country it would "dilute" the two categories unnecessarily. As it is the water by country categories are not exactly overpopulated. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * keep The water bodies by country subcategories can be readily created from all the articles in the subcats of lakes by county, rivers by county, etc etc.  This is the optimal parent category for these subcats and 'water bodies' is the proper collective name here. Hmains (talk) 02:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See Water Body Body of water as the basis for my assertion. Hmains (talk) 02:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Bodies of water by country. This is a geography type category and resources may not be. That argues against a merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be fine with me; it will match the main article name instead of the redirect to the article as is currently the case. 'Water body' always did sound somewhat strange' Hmains (talk) 02:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per Vegaswikian. This is also quite a bit of work. You up to it Hmains? :) Benkenobi18 (talk) 08:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I cannot do renames (no authority), but I can move things around, as needed. Hmains (talk) 03:23, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If this passes, I think that the closing admin could make a statement that, if in doing the cleanup, any emptying of categories would not be a violation of the established guidelines. That should allow anyone to do the needed cleanup without worrying about violating guidelines. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)