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Category:Aswad songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (C2B/D), original objector at CFDS has de facto withdrawn objection here - The Bushranger One ping only 22:46, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aswad songs to Category:Aswad (band) songs
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. An opposed speedy. The article is at Aswad (band). Standard practice is to use the same name of the band in categories for songs or albums. Adopting this general practice avoids having to debate each of the hundreds of cases individually to determine if the category is sufficiently unambiguous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:Aswad songs to Category:Aswad (band) songs – C2B per Aswad (band) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose: not necessary for disambiguation purposes as sufficient clarity is achieved by the word "songs", since there are no other musicians called Aswad, and Aswad would not be understood as a subject matter about which songs are written. – Fayenatic L ondon (talk) 13:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. At first, I thought that this was an alternative spelling of 'Azawad', though of course that's my mistake. Still, maintaining consistency between the category and article titles makes categorization and navigation more predictable. It removes the need for editors and readers to be forced to guess whether the standard, as reflected in criterion C2.B, is or is not applied in a particular case. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Standard practice is indeed to use the article name in all band categories. Oculi (talk) 23:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom to match head article Aswad (band). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to match parent article.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: I was thinking that a newbie editor creating an article about a song would have more trouble finding the category for it, since Category:Aswad songs would be the intuitive guess, especially as there are no other musicians called Aswad, and there is no other likely interpretation of "Aswad songs", e.g. as a cultural term or a subject matter for songs. However, I suppose one outcome of the advantage explained by Black Falcon is that an experienced editor, at any rate, may realise that since the band article is at Aswad (band), the song category should match that. I can accept this as long as we don't have to rename Shine (Aswad song) as Shine (Aswad (band) song) !  – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Knights of the Order of Ojaswi Rajanya

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Knights of the Order of Ojaswi Rajanya to Category:Members of the Order of Ojaswi Rajanya
 * Nominator's rationale: Per http://www.royalark.net/Nepal/orders.htm, there is only one grade in the order: member. DrKiernan (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete this is an award category, and we try to avoid such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. and do not delete This is an order of knighthood, which I guess could be construed as an "award", but not the sort of award we avoid. We have many well-established such categories, such as Category:Order of the British Empire. LeSnail (talk) 19:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Bus trip songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bus trip songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete Impossible to define clearly and objectively. Any song that is sufficiently simple and sufficiently well-known by the specific group inside a specific bus can become a bus trip song. Pichpich (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, while there are certainly a few songs that are widely recognized as archetypal "bus trip songs", the nominator is entirely correct that many songs can be one — I can personally vouch for having been on bus trips where the songs included "American Pie" (albeit just a constant repetition of the chorus rather than the whole song), "Me and Julio Down By the Schoolyard" and "Mony Mony" (complete with the, er, mofo parts), but I'd hardly suggest that any of them should be categorized as such. A bus trip might certainly be a venue where a group can have a mass singalong, but that doesn't constitute a defining characteristic of the songs that the passengers happen to choose. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Although the "wheels on the bus" should count for such.Benkenobi18 (talk) 11:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. There can be no objective and non-arbitrary criteria for whether a song fits in a category like this. Furthermore, I see no evidence that the sort of songs which are sung on bus trips are notably different from those sung in other places where groups of people gather, such as on trains, or around campfires. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete there is not an objective inclusion criteria.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:20th century children's songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 20th century children's songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete We don't categorize songs by century so it's probably unwise to categorize children's songs that way. Moreover, many children's songs are atemporal so this sort of classification is less meaningful. Pichpich (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete the fact that it has no sister cats for children's songs from other centuries shows this is not part of a regular schema and not wisely thought out.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who are hopped up on Mountain Dew

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete (CSD G7: creator consents to deletion). -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting wikipedians who are hopped up on mountain dew


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete user category that is not useful for collaboration. Pichpich (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Category creator's reply: I support this proposal. I am the only member of the category.  I just thought I would toss it out there to see if there was anyone else that enjoys being hopped up on Mountain Dew as much as I do.  That is all. Reverend Lee (talk • contribs) 16:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


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Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: all renamed variously. The Bushranger One ping only 22:31, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * For convenience, I have placed in this section all nominations related to the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War. I chose to nominate each category separately because the reasoning in each case is slightly different and in order to allow any relevant campaign-specific information to be noted and considered. -- Black Falcon (talk) 07:14, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I mostly agree, except as noted below. At the least get rid of all the "Battles of/Battles of the". Add (American Civil War) or similar where appropriate to address the objections of 70.24.251.208. Mojoworker (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To elaborate, I prefer the (American Civil War) suffix rather than (American Civil War campaign) since the word "campaign" is redundant as pretty much synonymous with Operation/Expedition, etc. As for deletion of single item categories, I'm OK with that. As someone mentioned in a previous deletion discussion, such battles are already adequately interpreted though the campaignbox and a single item category really adds nothing. Mojoworker (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be consistent with the outcome of this recent discussion, which resulted in Category:Mobile Campaign (American Civil War). -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Mostly support all but in most cases "American Civil War" needs to appear, in order to make it clear what the category is about. I do not know enough of the subject to be sure whether this applies in all cases.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:Battles of the Operations to Control Missouri of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations to Control Missouri of the American Civil War to Category:Operations to Control Missouri
 * Category:Battles of the Operations in Northeast Missouri of the American Civil War to Category:Operations in Northeast Missouri
 * Nominator's rationale: Set categories might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of these campaigns. There do not, however, and so these categories should be converted to topic categories. The proposed changes not only shortens the titles considerably, but also makes them a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations to Control Missouri' and 'Operations in Northeast Missouri' are the names used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment weren't there Indian skirmishes in this area, as well? 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of, at least not in the traditional sense. There may have been skirmishes with Indians in the service of the Confederate States, but not what are considered "traditional" Indian skirmishes.Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean if you take out all of the Civil War, and look at other periods of history. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 05:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Only pre-CW period. Intothatdarkness (talk) 19:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations Against the Sioux in North Dakota of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations Against the Sioux in Dakota Territory (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:13, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations Against the Sioux in North Dakota of the American Civil War to Category:Operations Against the Sioux in North Dakota
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations Against the Sioux in North Dakota' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose there were operations against the Sioux before and after the Civil War in North Dakota. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:49, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. I believe that disambiguation, as proposed below, would address the potential ambiguity. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that the CWSAC is part of the American Battlefield Protection Program (ABPP) and thus focused on preservation and so views locations in a modern day sense. I would propose that Category:Operations Against the Sioux in Dakota Territory or Category:Operations Against the Sioux in Dakota Territory during the American Civil War (or similar) might make more sense in the context of Wikipedia. Mojoworker (talk) 18:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I'd suggest Category:Operations Against the Sioux in Dakota Territory (American Civil War) or Category:Operations Against the Sioux in Dakota Territory (American Civil War campaign) as slightly shorter variants that still identify the context/period of this campaign. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:50, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Either of those sound fine, but I prefer the shorter version – I think the word "campaign" is redundant in this context. Mojoworker (talk) 15:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * One or two recent discussions have favored the disambiguation "(American Civil War)", without the word "campaign", so I support Category:Operations Against the Sioux in Dakota Territory (American Civil War). -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Mojoworker's idea. The current title is, in a word, hideous. Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast of the American Civil War to Category:Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:49, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose I seem to recall Mexico trying to blockade Texas during its war of independence. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment What about Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast during the American Civil War? If we're going to dredge up the Texas independence stuff that would make sense. But the current title has to go, IMO. Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply that works for me. The original proposed title doesn't take into account that history extends beyond the Civil War. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 05:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with a disambiguated version, such as Category:Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast (American Civil War) or Category:Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast (American Civil War campaign) . My main goal with these nominations is to eliminate the 'Battles of the Operations in/against {Place} of the American Civil War' format. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:53, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


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Marmaduke's Expeditions into Missouri

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of Marmaduke's First Expedition into Missouri of the American Civil War‎ to Category:Marmaduke's First Expedition into Missouri
 * Category:Battles of Marmaduke's Second Expedition into Missouri of the American Civil War‎ to Category:Marmaduke's Second Expedition into Missouri
 * Nominator's rationale: Set categories might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of Marmaduke's Expeditions. There do not, however, and so these categories should be converted into topic categories. The proposed changes not only shorten the titles considerably but also make them a more natural fit within the structures of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War and Category:Expeditions of the American Civil War.
 * 'Marmaduke's First Expedition into Missouri' and 'Marmaduke's Second Expedition into Missouri' are the names used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission. -- Black Falcon (talk) 07:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. 76.7.235.118 (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Advance on Little Rock of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Advance on Little Rock (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:16, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Advance on Little Rock of the American Civil War to Category:Advance on Little Rock
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Advance on Little Rock' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). In the event that the proposed title is deemed to be ambiguous, alternatives would be Category:Advance on Little Rock (American Civil War), Category:Advance on Little Rock (military campaign) and Category:Advance on Little Rock (American Civil War campaign) . -- Black Falcon (talk) 07:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations to Control Indian Territory of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations to Control Indian Territory of the American Civil War to Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations to Control Indian Territory' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). In the event that the proposed title is deemed to be ambiguous, a good alternative would be Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War), Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (military campaign) or Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War campaign). -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose there were operations to control Indian Territory before and after the Civil War. Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War campaign) seems acceptable though. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:44, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you're right. It's asking too much of readers to rely only on the capitalization of the word 'Control' to discern that this is a proper name of a campaign rather than a descriptive title. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War campaign). 198.252.15.202 (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment on disambiguation - I have no preference between the disambiguations "(American Civil War)" and "(American Civil War campaign)" except that we be consistent in our use of disambiguation across all of the affected categories. So, I request that the closer take into account the outcomes of related discussions on this page. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations North of Boston Mountains of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations North of Boston Mountains of the American Civil War to Category:Operations North of Boston Mountains
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations North of Boston Mountains' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment weren't there Indian skirmishes in this area, as well? 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of...unless they were raiders from Indian Territory and part of that conflict. Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean if you take out all of the Civil War, and look at other periods of history. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 05:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Operations North of Boston Mountains. 198.252.15.202 (talk) 16:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations in the Indian Territory of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations in the Indian Territory of the American Civil War to Category:Trail of Blood on Ice
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * The article about the campaign is titled Trail of Blood on Ice, and the category should follow it. I am nominating this here rather than that WP:CFD/S because criterion C2.D does not apply to set categories and converting a set category into a set category is not a minor change. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:45, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose Simply fold in with Indian Territory in the American Civil War. Makes no sense to have it sitting like this, especially since this really doesn't look like a formal campaign name and more something someone came up with. Intothatdarkness (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Trail of Blood on Ice, since this represents a related series of battles in a certain geographic area in a limited time span for military control of that geographic area, so this meets the definition of a military campaign. 198.252.15.202 (talk) 16:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Confederate Occupation of New Mexico of the American Civil War

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Confederate Occupation of New Mexico. The Bushranger One ping only 22:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Battles of the Confederate Occupation of New Mexico of the American Civil War to Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War
 * Nominator's rationale: I could not find an indication that these battles constitute a distinct campaign of the American Civil War. The list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission makes no mention of a campaign of this or a similar name. It appears that this category groups Civil War engagements that took place in Arizona or New Mexico and is, therefore, redundant to Category:Arizona in the American Civil War and Category:New Mexico in the American Civil War. All 10 member articles already are in one of these categories, so I suggest liquidating this category by merging its contents to Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Confederate Occupation of New Mexico. 64.6.124.31 (talk) 19:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Unlike the other cases nominated above and below, the name 'Confederate Occupation of New Mexico' appears to be unrecognized by CWSAC—at least, there is no mention of it in its list of American Civil War battles by campaign. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, these were all very minor engagements. The major attempt at Confederate control of New Mexico was Sibley's New Mexico Campaign. I don't think these minor engagements were part of Sibley's campaign, but rather this category (and the similar campaignbox Template:Campaignbox Engagements in Confederate Arizona) are categorizing the engagements geographically and not by campaign. Mojoworker (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * DeleteConfederate operations in New Mexico were short-lived and never really constituted a full occupation. It makes sense to keep it with New Mexico in the American Civil War. Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:57, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Confederate Occupation of New Mexico. These battles represent an attempt by the Confederates to exert military control over the southern part of the New Mexico territory. 76.7.235.118 (talk) 18:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Confederate Occupation of New Mexico per User 76's reason given above. 198.252.15.202 (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations Against Galveston of the American Civil War
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations Against Galveston (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations Against Galveston of the American Civil War to Category:Operations Against Galveston
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations Against Galveston' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC).
 * A better option might be to simply delete this single-member category, since CWSAC lists only one major engagement for the campaign: the Battle of Galveston. Upmerging would not be required since the sole member article already appears in: Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War; Category:Texas in the American Civil War; and two 1863-related categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Operations Against Galveston. 64.6.124.31 (talk) 19:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose there were military operations by Mexico against Texas at Galveston. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC) (Texas War of Independence) 70.24.251.208 (talk) 05:26, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename, perhaps Category:Operations Against Galveston (American Civil War) would be a better name. Since this represents a campaign against a specific geographic target within a limited time, it should be kept. 198.252.15.202 (talk) 16:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations to Suppress the Sioux Uprising of the American Civil War
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Battles of the Dakota War of 1862. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * battles of the operations to suppress the sioux uprising of the american civil war
 * Nominator's rationale: The 'Sioux Uprising', or the 'Operations to Suppress the Sioux Uprising', refers to the Dakota War of 1862. The current title and scope is problematic for three reasons: (1) it follows a naming standard that is being replaced; (2) it does not reflect the name of the war used by the article and main category; and (3) six of the seven articles in this category also are in Category:Dakota War of 1862, resulting in unnecessary overlap.
 * Option A: Rename to Category:Operations to Suppress the Sioux Uprising, thereby converting the current set category into a topic category that fits more naturally within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War. The name would continue to reflect the classification system of the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC), although it is worth noting that CWSAC's list of American Civil War campaigns lists as part of this campaign only the battles of Fort Ridgely and Wood Lake. The category contains five additional articles, so it seems odd to follow CWSAC's scheme. This option addresses the first problem but not the second or third.
 * Option B: Rename to Category:Battles of the Dakota War of 1862, thereby making this a natural subcategory of Category:Dakota War of 1862 and reflecting the common name of the war. Articles about individual battles would, then, be removed from the main category, thereby eliminating the issue of overlap. This option addresses all three problems but deviates from CWSAC's naming scheme.
 * My preference is for Option B. We already deviate from CWSAC's naming scheme in some cases, such as Category:Vicksburg Campaign, so I do not consider that to be a significant drawback. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Prefer Category:Battles of the Dakota War of 1862 -- 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Option B. Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:58, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Battles of the Dakota War of 1862 Mojoworker (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas of the American Civil War
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:42, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas of the American Civil War to Category:Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC).
 * A better option might be to simply delete this single-member category, since CWSAC lists only one major engagement for the campaign: the Battle of Cotton Plant. Upmerging would not be required since the sole member article already appears in: Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War; Category:Arkansas in the American Civil War; and two 1862-related categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas. 64.6.124.31 (talk) 19:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Battles of the Operations Near the White River of the American Civil War
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations on the White River (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the Operations Near the White River of the American Civil War to Category:Operations on the White River
 * Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
 * 'Operations on the White River' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC).
 * A better option might be to simply delete this single-member category, since CWSAC lists only one major engagement for the campaign: the Battle of Saint Charles. Upmerging would not be required since the sole member article already appears in: Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War; Category:Arkansas in the American Civil War; and two 1862-related categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Operations on the White River. 64.6.124.31 (talk) 20:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose among other things there was the White River War, not to mention "White River"s not in the US at all that featured battles. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:57, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What about Category:Operations on the White River (American Civil War) or Category:Operations on the White River (American Civil War campaign)? -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That would work. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 10:21, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete As it's a single-member category, get rid of it. Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I fully agree. Having seen some of the issues that have been raised in the discussions above, I'm leaning heavily toward the idea that we should eliminate most of these lightly populated 'campaign' categories, keeping only those that correspond to clearly defined campaigns consisting of multiple notable battles (e.g. Category:Appomattox Campaign). -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Operations on the White River. This was part of a military campaign over control of a specific geographic area. 198.252.15.202 (talk) 16:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


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