Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 3



Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland by county

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Cork to Category:Association football clubs in County Cork
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Donegal to Category:Association football clubs in County Donegal
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Dublin to Category:Association football clubs in County Dublin
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in Fingal to Category:Association football clubs in Fingal
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in North Tipperary to Category:Association football clubs in North Tipperary
 * Category:County Galway football clubs to Category:Association football clubs in County Galway
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Kildare to Category:Association football clubs in County Kildare
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Limerick to Category:Association football clubs in County Limerick
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Louth to Category:Association football clubs in County Louth
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Mayo to Category:Association football clubs in County Mayo
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Meath to Category:Association football clubs in County Meath
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in South Dublin (county) to Category:Association football clubs in South Dublin (county)
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in South Tipperary to Category:Association football clubs in South Tipperary
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Tipperary to Category:Association football clubs in County Tipperary
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Wicklow to Category:Association football clubs in County Wicklow
 * added 4 October
 * Category:Football (soccer) clubs in Dublin (city) to Category:Association football clubs in Dublin (city)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all, per convention of Category:Association football in Ireland and its sub-categories. These appear to be the only ones using soccer, and my initial to proposal to speedily rename the Galway category to was opposed. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support and add Category:Football (soccer) clubs in Dublin (city) to the list (even though its not a county) Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Just added. - Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:County Galway football clubs to Category:Football (soccer) clubs in County Galway – C2C per convention of Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland by county. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: shouldn't this one rather be Category:Association football clubs in County Galway? It's not called soccer in Ireland, is it? HandsomeFella (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * All the others in the Republic of Ireland are named the same way, so this is just a tidyup. Renaming them all to "Association football clubs in County Foo" would probably be a good idea, following the pattrern of Category:Association football clubs in Northern Ireland by county. But that would take a full discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename all per convention of Category:Association football in Ireland. Oculi (talk) 15:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Sabah–Malaysia relations

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to a newly-created Category:Federalism in Malaysia, which will not be parented in international relations categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

See also: - Discussion Sabah–Malaya relations 5 October 2012
 * Propose deleting sabah–malaysia relations


 * Nominator's rationale: A totally misleading category. Sabah is a state of Malaysia, it doesn't have relations with its own country. CMD (talk) 16:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Tagged Category:Sarawak–Malaysia_relations so it can be considered together.- choster (talk) 19:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Sabah–Malaysia relations,Malaysia is a federated have been legally incorporated into their governing State under an agreement between United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Federation of Malaya, North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore. The State are subject to external sovereignty or hegemony where ultimate sovereignty lies in another state. Malaysia is not an unitary state. Omdo (talk) 21:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * rename/merge to Category:Federalism in Malaysia I don't think deletion is the answer, but I think a single category for all the various federation articles (also incorporating Category:Sarawak–Malaysia relations) which makes clear that this is not about international relations is what is needed here. Mangoe (talk) 22:06, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support proposal below. Mangoe (talk) 22:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge both to Category:Federalism in Malaysia (new category) per Federalism in Malaysia and Category:Federalism by country. It is not correct to characterize the relationship between a federation and its members as "bilateral."- choster (talk) 22:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming the idea of categorising the wards by their state eligibility is an interesting one, rename Category:Sabah–Malaysia relations to Category:Sabah–Malaya relations Omdo (talk) 05:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Nominator comment No objection at all to the new Federalism in Malaysia category proposed, to take both this and the Sarawak template. Seems like it could be a good idea. CMD (talk) 23:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I do think it was a good idea - Omdo (talk) 05:27, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename/merge whatever exactly it is to Category:Federalism in Malasia. We do not have Category:Texas-United States relations.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


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Australian rules footballers by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deletion
 * Category:Australian rules footballers from Brisbane
 * Category:Australian rules footballers from Sydney
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete The 4000-5000 or so Australian rules footballer articles are all categorised into Category:Australian rules footballers by state of origin, not by city. I see no reason to break that down further into cities, especailly for the few players from Brisbane and Sydney.  The current system has a couple of advantages.  It links to the historical (albeit no longer in use) State of Origin concept whereby representative teams were selected by state of origin.  It is, therefore a defining characteristic, unlike city. Also, people are much more likely to move around cities than states, so the chance of mis-categorisation is lessened.  If you want to add people to a Brisbane or Sydney related category, then the Category:Sportspeople from Sydney and Category:Sportspeople from Brisbane are available and not too big or small. (I will notify the editor that populated these new categories and contested the CSD#C1 request, WP:AWNB and WT:AFL of this discussion) The-Pope (talk) 14:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I felt Category:Sportspeople from Sydney was overpopulated and that Category:Sportspeople from Sydney by gender and Category:Sportspeople from Sydney by sport were the way to go about de-populating it. If it's decided we move it back to 'by state', that's fine, but I still think Categories like 'Sortspeople from New South Wales by gender' and 'by sport' are the way to go there as well.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 20:48, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Don't have much to say, except that I agree with The-Pope. Haven't looked too closely, but an upmerge may also be necessary if the consensus is to delete (Category:Australian rules footballers from Brisbane to Category:Australian rules footballers from Queensland and Category:Sportspeople from Brisbane; Category:Australian rules footballers from Sydney to Category:Australian rules footballers from New South Wales and Category:Sportspeople from Sydney). Jenks24 (talk) 12:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents. I support with the point about over-specific categorisation, but upmerger is needed to ensure that the articles remain correctly categorised. - Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep there are enough sportpeople from both these cities to justify dispersion by sport.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you read the nomination? Jenks24 (talk) 05:14, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note both categories are now empty. I have not checked how they came to be empty. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:41, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


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Sport in Irish towns categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Jafeluv (talk) 13:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Sport in Clonakilty to Category:Clonakilty and Category:Sport in County Cork
 * Category:Sport in Cashel, County Tipperary to Category:Sport in South Tipperary and Category:Cashel, County Tipperary
 * Category:Sport in Birr to Category:Sport in County Offaly and Category:Birr, County Offaly
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge to both parents per WP:SMALLCAT. Birr, Cashel and Clonakilty are all small towns, and there is no reason to expect that there will be many more articles  in those sparsely-populated town categories any time soon. Separating out the sports articles impedes navigation rather than helping it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support I noticed them springing up like mushrooms but was too lazy to put in a CDF. Complete smallcat case. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of Sharlverse

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete per the discussion, and now, since the AFD has emptied the category, per CSD C1. - jc37 04:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting lists of sharlverse

There are currently only two other pages on topics relating to Shipley, so there is no need for a category for any of them. The head article shows a topic of dubious notability, so there is no reason to expect this category to grow. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. The term "Sharlverse" apparently refers to a fictional universe created by the sci-fi writer Jonathan Shipley (writer).


 * Delete – one of its articles is not a list and the other one, Sharlverse list, is unlikely to survive if challenged (no refs, no links, no merit). Oculi (talk) 11:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Plus someone should go after the Sharlverse list. Benkenobi18 (talk) 19:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have listed all the related articles at AFD: Articles for deletion/Jonathan Shipley (writer). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete — All members of this category were deleted at AfD as non-notable at 03:58, 16 October 2012. There is no reason to keep. The previously minuscule category has virtually zero prospect of growing, and in 4 days it would be amenable to a C1 speedy. JFHJr (㊟) 14:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete since all the component articles have been delted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:University of Great Falls

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep - jc37 04:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:University of Great Falls to Category:Private universities and colleges in Montana
 * Propose merging Category:Rocky Mountain College to Category:Private universities and colleges in Montana
 * Nominator's rationale: No need for single-article spinoff cats without any faculty or alumni subcategories. The Bushranger One ping only 04:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Faculty and Alumni subcats should be added, as they have been done for Carroll already - this would be the natural expansion. Benkenobi18 (talk) 19:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Are there any to be added? - The Bushranger One ping only 07:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep both per Benkenobi, and create the relevant subcats. It took only a few minutes with Special:WhatLinksHere to make the following quick list of ppl associated with these two institutions:
 * University of Great Falls people: Alvin Eli Amason, Jon Tester, Jerry D. Roe, Joseph Tropila, Paul G. Hatfield, Marge Chadderdon
 * Rocky Mountain College alumni: Al Feldstein (hon. degree), Arlo Guthrie, Valeen Tippetts Avery, Larry R. Heather, Jason Earles, Bill Bowers, John Letasky, Chris Horn, Robyn Driscoll, Theresa Rose Bajt
 * Rocky Mountain College academics: David Strong
 * Other associations with RMC, mostly sporting: J. Timothy Hunt, Bart Andrus, George Pfeifer, Jeff Reinebold, Thomas Van Scoy
 * I have not created the subcats while the discussion is underway, but will be happy to do so once it is closed. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:50, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep University of Great Falls, I have brought it up to another article directly in the category plus 6 alumni cats. Probably as people expand and create articles on state legislators in Montana and surrounding states we will find more alumni to put in there.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Rocky Mountain College there I have managed to add three more articles to the cat, and place 2 sub-cats. The alumni sub-cat currently has 12 entries.  The Miss Montana page suggests that there are more potentially notable alumni who could have articles created on them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment It is now up to 9 direct articles (including one on one of its parent institutions, but since there are 3 different insitutions merged over time to form RMC, there could possible be more articles on parent institutions), plus 4 in the faculty cat and 18 in the alumni cat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - not having subcats is not a rationale we recognize; otherwise, there are plenty of articles in the tree to support the cats for both. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:History of California by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Histories of cities in California. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:05, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting history of california by city


 * Nominator's rationale: We have Category:Histories of counties in California, which is more than adequate. if this was populated properly, it would be unmanageable. the lone category here is properly categorized already. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Histories of cities in California, which is part of an established scheme. The scheme might or might not become unmanageable as it becomes more populated, but that is an issue best left for another discussion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per Black Falcon, seems obviously redundant cat. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


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