Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 4



Category:Bhangra

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.--Mike Selinker (talk) 21:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bhangra to Category:Bhangra (music)
 * Split Category:Bhangra to Category:Bhangra (music) and Category:Bhangra (dance), use catseealso to link the two.
 * Nominator's rationale: Main article is dab. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

A move seems wrong, because it would narrow the scope. A split may be appropriate, but I know too little about the genre to decide. I suggest notifying the relevant WikiProjects, to seek expert input. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The page Bhangra is indeed a dab, but there is both Bhangra (music) and Bhangra (dance). This category appears to refer to both the dance and the music; it is a subcat both of Category:Dances of India and of music categs such as and.
 * Split per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Steampunk music

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * RELISTED. Following discussions with interested editors, this discussion has been relisted at CFD 2012 November 14. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting steampunk music


 * Nominator's rationale: There is no main article for this genre and the section on it explicitly states how it's ill-defined. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Steam5 (talk) 18:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * keep Although the style of the music genre within steampunk has remained infamously eclectic, the bands within that scene are clearly identified. It would be very difficult to write an article on "steampunk music", but it's very easy to define and source the categorization of "the musicians of steampunk". Andy Dingley (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as not defined enough of a genre to categoize things in it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of Australian biota

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename - jc37 04:32, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of Australian biota to Category:Lists of biota of Australia
 * added 7 October by BHG
 * Category:Lists of Canadian biota to Category:Lists of biota of Canada
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename per convention of Category:Lists of biota by country. This may appear to be eligible for speedy renaming per speedy criterion C2C, but most of the other subcategories have been recently created by me, so I think that a speedy would be inappropriate. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator. Steam5 (talk) 18:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. I wouldn't have blinked an eye at a speedy either. :) Benkenobi18 (talk) 19:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I created this category and I have no objection to a rename, speedy or otherwise. Hesperian 23:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom; likewise Category:Lists of Canadian biota Hugo999 (talk) 11:50, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Added to nomination. - Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename both per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:29, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Pixar's Up

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename per speedy criterion C2D. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:40, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Pixar's Up to Category:Up (2009 film)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match title of main article. Trivialist (talk) 17:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator. Steam5 (talk) 18:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:American country musicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: Thanks for making me clean up the whole damn thing myself. I really appreciate all the help.
 * Propose deleting american country musicians


 * Nominator's rationale: Seems redundant. Everything here is already in Category:American country singers as well. Is a singer not a musician? (Also, if they play another instrument, they should already be categorized by what they play, such as Category:American country guitarists.) Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 11:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I hope that nominator will withdraw it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC) If you think there is a backlog of diffusion, then the good news is that you got the job :) -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep – has the nom not looked at the category in question? It contains a host of subcats, including one for singers, as one would expect. A singer is a musician and so is a guitarist. (And what became of the cluebats, who used to accompany Ten Pound Hammer?) Oculi (talk) 11:42, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. For the reasons explained by Oculi, the nomination is blatant nonsense. The subcategories include sub-genres of country music, and country musicians who play instruments other than their vocal cords.
 * Then why not pare to only the subcategories? It seems redundant for a singer to be categorized as both "singer" and "musician" if their only instrument is the voice. And it's not like there are any musicians known for playing and instrument that a.) is not the voice and b.) doesn't already have its own category. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 13:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's routine category maintenance, which should happen as a matter of course. A lack of diffusion is not grounds for deleting a container category.
 * It's also an assload of work. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 13:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. You don't have to volunteer to do it. But if you don't wanna fix it, please don't WP:DEMOLISH it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:14, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's also part of Category:Country musicians by nationality. I agree that most of the articles should not be at the top level, as in the other nationality subcats. (And weren't there otters as well? Hammer, otters, cluebats? Clamshells??) Oculi (talk) 15:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep This looks like a mission for WP:SOFIXIT. Benkenobi18 (talk) 19:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


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Canadian region categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. except rename Category:Region of Waterloo, Ontario to Category:Waterloo Region. I've combined these because they all amount to the same discussion.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Regional Municipality of Waterloo categories

 * Category:Region of Waterloo, Ontario to Category:Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Waterloo Region to Category:Buildings and structures in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Communities in Waterloo Region, Ontario to Category:Communities in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Companies based in Waterloo Region to Category:Companies based in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Culture of Waterloo Region to Category:Culture of the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Education in Waterloo Region to Category:Education in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Elementary schools in Waterloo Region to Category:Elementary schools in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Geography of Waterloo Region to Category:Geography of the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:High schools in Waterloo Region to Category:High schools in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Municipalities in Waterloo Region, Ontario to Category:Municipalities in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Museums in Waterloo Region to Category:Museums in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Musical groups from Waterloo Region to Category:Musical groups from the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:People from Waterloo Region, Ontario to Category:People from the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Protected areas of Waterloo Region to Category:Protected areas of the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Roads in Waterloo Region, Ontario to Category:Roads in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Schools in Waterloo Region to Category:Schools in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Shopping malls in Waterloo Region to Category:Shopping malls in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Sport in Waterloo Region to Category:Sport in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Sports venues in Waterloo Region to Category:Sports venues in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Transport in Waterloo Region, Ontario to ategory:Transport in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo
 * Category:Visitor attractions in Waterloo Region to Category:Visitor attractions in the Regional Municipality of Waterloo

However, per WP:COMMONNAME, it is preferable to search Google News and Google Books because they concentrate reliable sources. The results for Google News are 10 hits for "Regional Municipality of Waterloo" and 12,000 hits for "Waterloo Region". Faced with this overwhelming preference for the short form in common usage, naming policy is to use the common name. Some related categories and articles may also need to be renamed to the short format. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all. per convention to follow the Regional Municipality of Waterloo main article by using C2D. On the past speedy nominations. Most of the Ontario census divisions in categories was speedy renamed to follow the main article. There is no objection in the past speedy nominations. But recently three of the group categories in three census divisions in Ontario was oppose speedy. Forget about how many hits or views on the old categories this is to rename the categories to follow the main article on C2D with no objection since the speedy was opposed. Steam5 (talk) 03:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I spotted this at WP:CFD/S, and the proposed new name seemed unnecessarily verbose, so I did a quick google search and found 110,000 ghits for "Regional Municipality of Waterloo" but 4,270,000 ghits for "Waterloo Region". That prompted my objection.
 * In my past speedy nominations, Most of the speedy nominations for the Ontario census division categories was speedy renamed to match and follow the main article by using C2D with no objection in the past. Steam5 (talk) 18:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It may well be that those moves should have been challenged too. If these nominations are closed as "keep", I'll see whether any of the other should be nominated for moving back to the short names. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No users are participating the discuss the three census division categories, BHG. Let's extended this discussion for another week until users have reached a consensus. Steam5 (talk) 07:13, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The Canadian Wikipedians' notice board has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:27, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose The nominator is correct that the categories absolutely should match the article title, but in this case there is significant doubt that the article itself is properly named.  While "Regional Municipality of X" is the legal and official name for regional upper tier municipalities in Ontario, the most common name is almost always "X Region" (and, in fact, the regional governments themselves, IIRC, use the shortened versions of their names).  This, and the related, category renaming discussions should be held in abeyance, and the affected articles should all be made subject to one RM.  The ultimate decision here would depend on how the RM for the articles goes.  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose per commonname rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose and Rename the top category to Category:Waterloo Region to match the other categories and to match Category:York Region, Category:Durham Region, Category:Niagara Region, Ontario. ChemTerm (talk) 01:47, 27 October 2012 (UTC). ChemTerm (talk) 01:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Reaname top cat to Category:Waterloo Region per ChemTerm.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:00, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Regional Municipality of Durham categories

 * Category:Durham Region to Category:Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Durham Region to Category:Buildings and structures in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Communities in Durham Region to Category:Communities in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Culture of Durham Region to Category:Culture of the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Education in Durham Region to Category:Education in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Elementary schools in Durham Region to Category:Elementary schools in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Geography of Durham Region to Category:Geography of the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:High schools in Durham Region to Category:High schools in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Hospitals in Durham Region to Category:Hospitals in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Media in Durham Region to Category:Media in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Municipalities in Durham Region to Category:Municipalities in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Museums in Durham Region to Category:Museums in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Musical groups from Durham Region to Category:Musical groups from the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:People from Durham Region to Category:People from the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Protected areas of Durham Region to Category:Protected areas of the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Radio stations in Durham Region to Category:Radio stations in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Roads in Durham Region to Category:Roads in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Schools in Durham Region to Category:Schools in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Transport in Durham Region to Category:Transport in the Regional Municipality of Durham
 * Category:Visitor attractions in Durham Region to Category:Visitor attractions in the Regional Municipality of Durham

However, per WP:COMMONNAME, it is preferable to search Google News and Google Books because they concentrate reliable sources. The results for Google News are 5 hits for "Regional Municipality of Durham" and 1,360 hits for "Durham Region". Faced with this overwhelming preference for the short form in common usage, naming policy is to use the common name. Some related categories and articles may also need to be renamed to the short format. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all. per convention to follow the Regional Municipality of Durham main article by using C2D. On the past speedy nominations. Most of the Ontario census divisions in categories was speedy renamed to follow the main article. There is no objection in the past speedy nominations. But recently three of the group categories in three census divisions in Ontario was oppose speedy. Forget about how many hits or views on the old categories this is to rename the categories to follow the main article on C2D with no objection since the speedy was opposed. Steam5 (talk) 03:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I spotted this at WP:CFD/S, and the proposed new name seemed unnecessarily verbose, so I did a quick google search and found 79,000 ghits for "Regional Municipality of Durham" but 38 million ghits for "Durham Region". That prompted my objection.
 * In my past speedy nominations, Most of the speedy nominations for the Ontario census division categories was speedy renamed to match and follow the main article by using C2D with no objection in the past. Steam5 (talk) 18:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It may well be that those moves should have been challenged too. If these nominations are closed as "keep", I'll see whether any of the other should be nominated for moving back to the short names. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No users are participating the discuss the three census division categories, BHG. Let's extended this discussion for another week until users have reached a consensus. Steam5 (talk) 07:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The Canadian Wikipedians' notice board has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:27, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose, for the same reasons as I explained at the same discussion for the Region of Waterloo categories. Perhaps we could centralize the discussion there, so we don't all need to post the same comments in three separate discussions dealing with the same issue. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per commonname rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:45, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Regional Municipality of York categories

 * Category:York Region to Category:Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Buildings and structures in York Region to Category:Buildings and structures in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Communities in York Region to Category:Communities in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Companies based in York Region to Category:Companies based in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Culture of York Region to Category:Culture of the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Education in York Region to Category:Education in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Elementary schools in York Region to Category:Elementary schools in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Geography of York Region to Category:Geography of the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:High schools in York Region to Category:High schools in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Hospitals in York Region to Category:Hospitals in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Media in York Region to Category:Media in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Municipal government of York Region to Category:Municipal government of the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Municipalities in York Region to Category:Municipalities in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Museums in York Region to Category:Museums in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Musical groups from York Region to Category:Musical groups from the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Parks in York Region to Category:Parks in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:People from York Region to Category:People from the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Politics of York Region to Category:Politics of the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Protected areas of York Region to Category:Protected areas of the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Radio stations in York Region to Category:Radio stations in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Railway stations in York Region to Category:Railway stations in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Roads in York Region to Category:Roads in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Schools in York Region to Category:Schools in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Shopping malls in York Region to Category:Shopping malls in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Transport in York Region to Category:Transport in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:Visitor attractions in York Region to Category:Visitor attractions in the Regional Municipality of York
 * Category:York Region councillors to Category:Regional Municipality of York councillors

However, per WP:COMMONNAME, it is preferable to search Google News and Google Books because they concentrate reliable sources. The results for Google News are 4 hits for "Regional Municipality of York" and 3,740 hits for "York Region".I considered the possibility that "York Region" might also be misused to refer to another York on an island near France, so I repeated the Gnews search by adding the keyword Ontario. That gave 3 hits for "Regional Municipality of York" and 641 hits for "York Region". Faced with this overwhelming preference for the short form in common usage, naming policy is to use the common name. Some related categories and articles may also need to be renamed to the short format. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:42, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all. per convention to follow the Regional Municipality of York main article by using C2D. On the past speedy nominations. Most of the Ontario census divisions in categories was speedy renamed to follow the main article. There is no objection in the past speedy nominations. But recently three of the group categories in three census divisions in Ontario was oppose speedy. Forget about how many hits or views on the old categories this is to rename the categories to follow the main article on C2D with no objection since the speedy was opposed. Steam5 (talk) 02:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I spotted this at WP:CFD/S, and the proposed new name seemed unnecessarily verbose, so I did a quick google search and found 169,000 ghits for "Regional Municipality of York" but 35 million ghits for "York Region". That prompted my objection.
 * In my past speedy nominations, Most of the speedy nominations for the Ontario census division categories was speedy renamed to match and follow the main article by using C2D with no objection in the past. Steam5 (talk) 18:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It may well be that those moves should have been challenged too. If these nominations are closed as "keep", I'll see whether any of the other should be nominated for moving back to the short names. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No users are participating the discuss the three census division categories, BHG. Let's extended this discussion for another week until users have reached a consensus. Steam5 (talk) 07:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The Canadian Wikipedians' notice board has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose, for the same reasons as I explained at the same discussion for the Region of Waterloo categories. Perhaps we could centralize the discussion there, so we don't all need to post the same comments in three separate discussions dealing with the same issue. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per commonname rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


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