Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 September 25



Category:Dale Carnegie

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete G7. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dale carnegie


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete There's no need for an eponymous category since the three articles are well-interlinked. I have also created Category:Books by Dale Carnegie to help navigate between the two books. Pichpich (talk) 19:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Though I do think the books category was a good idea. - jc37 19:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete and retain instead Category:Books by Dale Carnegie, which is a much better idea (I'm the fool who created Category:Dale Carnegie and wish I'd though more clearly.) — Robert Greer (talk) 12:48, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Ice Skating

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. No need to userify as creator of the userbox that had populated it is indef-blocked with everything revoked. The Bushranger One ping only 00:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ice skating


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete This is a category for people who "love to ice skate with friends" and has therefore little value for collaboration. If kept it should be renamed to something like Category:Wikipedians interested in ice skating although that changes the scope. Pichpich (talk) 19:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - The category is populated (3 members) by User:Penyulap/UBX/PenSkate. (I've removed the category from the userbox per WP:USERBOX/WP:USERCAT.) And the userbox clearly has zero reference to collaboration. So while no problem with the userbox for userpages, no category grouping should be used for this. - jc37 19:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedian category blindingly confusable with Category:Ice skating, the content category. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * DElete this is a user category in category space (which is misleading), but I very much doubt the value of recording this user recreation. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Userfy. Good catch! Very misleading category. Benkenobi18 (talk) 06:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia categories sorted by month

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The discussion has clarified that the purpose of this category is to group categories which are not strictly maintenance categories, but which do have by-month sub-categories which are processed by a bot. There is no consensus to delete this category, but only one editor had any enthusiasm for keeping it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus, defaulting to keep.


 * Propose deleting wikipedia categories sorted by month


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete I placed Category:Categories for discussion back in Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month since it is part of the Category:Wikipedia maintenance subtree. So there are only two subcategories left in the present category: Category:Current events and Category:Wikipedians having been offered adoption. Arguably the first one isn't really a Wikipedia category and it's only weakly sorted by month. But in any case, these two subcategories share absolutely nothing so the parent category isn't useful for navigation. Pichpich (talk) 18:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - per WP:OC. Why per month vs per week or per day? : ) - Semi-humour aside, there doesn't seem any reason to keep this. But let's please make sure there are no bots that will suddenly break because (as we later find out) this was some sort of tracking category : ) - jc37 19:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point. I'm guessing Anomie (who created the category) will comment here and he can probably clarify this. Pichpich (talk) 19:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This category was specifically created to hold categories that don't belong in Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month but for which we still need a bot (currently AnomieBOT) to create the monthly subcategories. If you remove Category:Current events and Category:Wikipedians having been offered adoption from that category, then AnomieBOT will no longer create categories such as Category:Current events from September 2012 and Category:Wikipedians having been offered adoption from September 2012 as needed, which will result in the articles that would go in those dated categories being placed into Category:Articles with invalid date parameter in template.
 * Unless you miscategorize these non-maintenance categories into Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month instead, of course, but then you have to watch out for someone realizing they're not actually maintenance categories and removing them. Anomie⚔ 20:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tried to find a definition of what we consider a "maintenance category". Best I could find was this how-to guide by Anomie : ) - From what I gather, it seems that they are to help facilitate mantenance of the encyclopedia.
 * With that in mind, I think we could put current events there, maybe. (Though I agree that it's somewhat stretching things.) And then, it would just be a matter of altering the bot to not look in the nommed cat, and to look at the adoption one directly.
 * That said, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to just keep both container cats. Though I think that perhaps some clearer inclusion criteria for each may be helpful? - jc37 21:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The criteria for inclusion in one or the other of the two cats is clear, that being "it needs a bot to create dated subcategories". All that would be needed is a clearer definition of "maintenance" versus "non-maintenance" to decide which of the two something should go in. Personally, I'd rather keep the container category so the bot code doesn't have to be updated any time someone wants to create or delete a dated non-mainenance category. And yes, I wouldn't think Category:Current events is a maintenance category. Anomie⚔ 17:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Then I'm fine with Keep, but update category page. If you'd please add what you did here about the inclusion criteria and that a bot is involved, etc. That way someone in the future doesn't unknowingly delete it as C1, for example. - jc37 19:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Adjusted somewhat. Feel free to adjust further. Anomie⚔ 19:56, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. I was going to add a link to Creating a dated maintenance category, but wasn't sure if it directly applied : ) - jc37 06:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Ok, I see the point. I would still prefer to merge to Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month and stretch the definition of "maintenance category". We could add a hatnote to Category:Current events and Category:Wikipedians having been offered adoption to make sure nobody removes them from that parent. But anyway, if you both agree that the status quo is the best solution, let's stick with that. Pichpich (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


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Elections templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy Rename each to change elections to election, per Category:United States election templates by state. (CSD C2.) This looks uncontroversial. - jc37 18:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Oregon elections templates

 * Propose renaming Category:Oregon elections templates to Category:Oregon election templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To make consistent with other states in Category:United States election templates by state. —GoldRingChip  15:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:North Carolina elections templates

 * Propose renaming Category:North Carolina elections templates to Category:Oregon election templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To make consistent with other states in Category:United States election templates by state. —GoldRingChip  15:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Maryland elections templates

 * Propose renaming Category:Maryland elections templates to Category:Oregon election templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To make consistent with other states in Category:United States election templates by state. —GoldRingChip  15:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Monthly clean up category (Articles needing chemical formulas) counter

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. The consensus is that these maintenance categories serve no purpose. Note Anomie's comment that that some templates may also be superfluous. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting monthly clean up category (articles needing chemical formulas) counter


 * Nominator's rationale: A number of categories from Category:Counter categories no longer have (or never had?) a maintenance category that feeds them, making them permanently empty. Since they are tagged as "Administrators: Please do not delete this category even if it is empty!", tagging them for speedy deletion isn't the best solution, so a mass CfD it is. Nominated are:


 * Category:Monthly clean up category (Articles needing chemical formulas) counter
 * Category:Monthly clean up category (Articles with instances of citation overkill) counter
 * Category:Monthly clean up category (Articles with unsourced geodata) counter
 * Category:Monthly clean up category (Cleanup section) counter
 * Category:Monthly clean up category (Cleanup) counter (seems to be an alternate for Category:Monthly clean up category (Articles needing cleanup) counter, which is obviously not nominated for deletion here)
 * Category:Monthly clean up category (Deprecated templates by month) counter (the correct one being Category:Monthly clean up category (Deprecated templates) counter)
 * Category:Monthly clean up category (Statements with common sense issues) counter
 * Category:Monthly cleanup category (Articles with specifically marked weasel-worded phrases) counter (the correct one is at the slightly differently written Category:Monthly clean up category (Articles with specifically marked weasel-worded phrases) counter)

Fram (talk) 12:33, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete The "please do not delete" note is to prevent the deletion of the ones where the feeder category exists. If the feeder category doesn't exist for these, there's no point in keeping it. Note there are probably also associated templates, such as Template:Articles with unsourced geodata progress and Template:Monthly clean-up category/Messages/Articles with unsourced geodata for Category:Monthly clean up category (Articles with unsourced geodata) counter, that should also be speedily deleted. Anomie⚔ 13:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:World Junior Badminton Championships

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. The Bushranger One ping only 00:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:World Junior Badminton Championships to Category:BWF World Junior Championships
 * Nominator's rationale: The main article of the category is BWF World Junior Championships, and the "IBF World Junior Championships" is just a former name of it. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  05:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:World Junior Badminton Championships to Category:BWF World Junior Championships – C2D: per BWF World Junior Championships Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  17:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Contains both IBF and BWF championships. And includes now the sport what it is talking about. Florentyna (talk) 17:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Contains both IBF and BWF championships. And includes the sport what it is talking about. Nobody knows what is IBF, BWF, WBF. Badminton is the most useful title. --Florentyna (talk) 06:20, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree that 'Badminton' is the key word and that BWF is not a well-known abbreviation (I would guess, given that it is sports related, that it would be wrestling). Category:World Badminton Championships was renamed speedily - I would say that categories should never be renamed speedily to an acronym. Oculi (talk) 09:43, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:World Badminton Grand Prix

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. The Bushranger One ping only 00:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:World Badminton Grand Prix to Category:World Badminton Grand Prix Finals
 * Nominator's rationale: The main article of the category is World Badminton Grand Prix Finals. Also every yearly article begins as "YEAR World Badminton Grand Prix was the FOOth edition of the World Badminton Grand Prix finals." Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  05:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:World Badminton Grand Prix to Category:World Badminton Grand Prix Finals – C2D: per World Badminton Grand Prix Finals. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  17:35, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There belong more articles to the category than only finals, see German equivalent.Florentyna (talk) 17:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. There belong more articles to the category than only finals, see German equivalent. Main article was moved to World Badminton Grand Prix finals, which is talking in fact only about the finals, the real main article is still missing, see difference between de:World Badminton Grand Prix and de: World Badminton Grand Prix (Finale)‎. Florentyna (talk) 06:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


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Energy & Pipeline related categories
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Russia, Keep India. The Bushranger One ping only 00:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging
 * Category:Pipeline systems of Russia to Category:Energy infrastructure in Russia
 * Category:Oil infrastructure of India to Category:Energy infrastructure in India
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories contain few articles, while Category:Energy infrastructure by country contains 17 countries. Hugo999 (talk) 02:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:Pipeline systems of Russia. Only contains one template which should not be in an encyclopedic category.  Vegaswikian (talk) 05:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per Vegaswikian. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete just one per Vegaswikian. Keep Category:Oil infrastructure of India as a valid part of Category:Petroleum infrastructure (it was not linked into that tree when nominated, but now is). – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


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