Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 September 27



Category:Holders of the Frantz Fanon Prize

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting holders of the frantz fanon prize


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete, possibly listify. Per WP:OC, "In general (though there are a few exceptions to this), recipients of an award should be grouped in a list rather than a category"; the exceptions are for highly notable prizes such as the Nobel Prizes. This prize named for Frantz Fanon gets no hits on Google News and only 20 hits on Google Books, most of them passing mentions. The prize might just about be notable enough for an article, but it would probably be better to just expand a little on its mention in Caribbean Philosophical Association. However it is way too obscure to justify its own category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:06, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a sufficiently prestigious prize to be a defining characteristic of its recipients. Pichpich (talk) 03:44, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * LIstify if necessary and then delete -- as we almost invariably do with award categories. A list dies the job much better than a category, in that it puts the winners in chronological (rather than alphabetic) order.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete we generally avoid categorizing by winning an award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:American School in Japan

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 05:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american school in japan


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Pointless category which contains only the head article American School in Japan and the alumni sub-category. There is no reasonable possibility of expansion.   Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, the sub-cat has now been populated and given a "cat main" link to the school page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:17, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Awake

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:WikiProject Awake to Category:Wikipedia Awake task force


 * Nominator's rationale: Merge as duplicates. I would be happy with a merge in either direction, and it's unclear whether this refers to a project or a task force. WikiProject Television/Awake task force redirects to WikiProject Awake, but it's a member of Category:WikiProject Television descendant projects. Its talk page is blank apart from banners, and there is no other edit history.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Television has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to "task force" as that is the way others are going. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:18, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This comment is from a highly-involved editor in the field; he's unable to comment directly due to a brief and ill-administered block. GRAPPLE   X  01:25, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge all into "WikiProject Awake" per the above comment. TBrandley 13:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Environmental Movement

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 05:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Environmental Movement to Category:Environmental movements
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete rather than merge. The three entries are not movements per se but simply organisations or umbrella organisations. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete rather than merge, as the three current members are already in more specific sub-categories of the target. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:22, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 'Delete and not merge. --Turn685 (talk) 19:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the comments above, I agree that deletion would be a better solution. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete and the Category:Environmental movements should be cleaned up. It's not meant to hold individual organizations but rather articles on, well, movements. In that respect Category:Social movements is the example to follow. Pichpich (talk) 02:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Old provinces of Japan

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fomer provinces of Japan per C2C. The Bushranger One ping only 23:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Old provinces of Japan to Category:Provinces of Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: There's no need for "old"&mdash;although they are defunct, we don't need to name them as such. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to Category:Former provinces of Japan per convention of Category:Former subdivisions of countries. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Japan has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:48, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment a category redirect should exist at the plain title if it is moved to "former" or kept at "old" -- 70.24.249.80 (talk) 23:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename Per BHG. The distinction needs to be kept between current provinces and former provinces. Benkenobi18 (talk) 06:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per BHG as "former". The template:Japan Old Province has displayed the heading "Former provinces of Japan" consistently since 2005. No objection to having a redirect at . – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Reviewed images of people replacing placeholders

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 * The result of the discussion was: discussion merged with discussion of parent category at CfD Sept 23.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting reviewed images of people replacing placeholders


 * Nominator's rationale: per Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_23 -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 19:12, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This nomination should be merged to the previously opened discussion on the parent category. There is no pint in having two simultaneous discussions on categories which raise the same issue. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I had trouble figuring how to do it. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


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LGBT neo-Nazis

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 05:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting:
 * lgbt neo-nazis


 * lgbt german neo-nazis


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete both, or upmerge to both parents. These are an intersection of two unrelated attributes (LGBT and Neo-Nazi) Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * WikiProject LGBT studies has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Politics/Fascism has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

(Note, upmerge seems unnecessary since all three articles in the parent (two of which are the only content of the child) are currently included in other LGBT and neo-Nazi categories.) Fat&#38;Happy (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete both: No more relevant or useful than "LGBT redheads" or "LGBT German redheads". Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: per LOL, oops, I mean per NOM, but it's awfully difficult to take this absurd intersection seriously. Fat&#38;Happy (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete; we don't at present cross-categorize LGBT people by their political views. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. While there's no question that a number of LGBT neo-Nazis happen to have existed in history, there's no properly sourced evidence that the intersection constitutes a meaningfully encyclopedic topic in its own right, rather than just "people who happened to be both X and Y" -- and as per WP:CATGRS, the encyclopedic relevance of the intersection, not the mere fact that there happen to be a handful of people whom you could categorize that way, is what determines whether such a category is allowed to exist or not. And furthermore, one of the three entries in the category was a film, not a person, and thus didn't belong in it -- meaning that "LGBT neo-Nazis" now has just two entries, and "LGBT German neo-Nazis" has only one (and he's already in the non-specific category anyway, making the German one just an extra layer of unnecessary duplication.) Bearcat (talk) 17:51, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete while it is surprising to find anyone in this intersection, it's very trivial-ish. In any case, the two articles are already linked through a "see also" section and I don't think a category would bring anything more. Pichpich (talk) 03:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:United States Education Program

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 21:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:United States Education Program to Category:Wikipedia United States Education Program
 * Category:United States Education Program courses, 2011 Q3 to Category:Wikipedia United States Education Program courses, 2011 Q3
 * Category:United States Education Program courses, 2011 Q4 to Category:Wikipedia United States Education Program courses, 2011 Q4
 * Category:United States Education Program courses, 2012 Q1 to Category:Wikipedia United States Education Program courses, 2012 Q1
 * Category:United States Education Program courses, 2012 Q2 to Category:Wikipedia United States Education Program courses, 2012 Q2
 * Category:United States Education Program courses, 2012 Q3 to Category:Wikipedia United States Education Program courses, 2012 Q3
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all to clarify that this is a project category, and not encyclopedic content. (When I saw it, I presumed that it was a US govt program). Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - Can we change United States to U.S. per MoS conventions? And can we adjust the order of the words? I'd like to see Wikipedia be adjacent to Education Program for clarity. (And per usage at outreach:Wikipedia Education Program.) And does Education Program need to be capitalised? - jc37 18:20, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The head article is United States Education Program, and the proposed names follow that format. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand that. But the ultimate head page is (as I linked) Wikipedia Education Program. So all the pages should follow that I would think. If that means we also need an RM, I'm fine with that. - jc37 20:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * My main concern is that the category name should include "Wikipedia", and secondarily I think it should follow the head article. If you want to propose a renaming of the head article, I'm happy to follow whatever comes out of that discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:54, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per Jc37. Good catch BHG. Benkenobi18 (talk) 06:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. If this goes through, Category:USEP/Courses should accordingly be speedily-renamed to Category:Wikipedia United States Education Program courses, 2012 Q4. Pichpich (talk) 04:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer a prefix of "Wikipedia Education Program" then country and year. An opinion from WMF program managers would be good to hear and take into account. John Vandenberg (chat) 05:01, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I dropped Frank and Sage a note requesting their input. :)  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. The proposed rename looks fine to me. It is important to keep separate categories for each academic term. We used Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 so that it would be neutral enough terminology to apply anywhere, but the as long it's easy to go back and find the set of classes that were in a cohort together, it doesn't matter much how that's labeled.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 11:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. I prefer to write out as much as possible, in general this is what is encoraged by wikipedia.  We have Category:United States Military Academy alumni not Category:U.S. Military Academy alumni.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Jollibee

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 23:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Jollibee to Category:Jollibee Foods Corporation
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match head article Jollibee Foods Corporation. Alternatively, delete. articles are already interlinked by Template:Jollibee. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC) Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom but I don't think it would be reasonable to delete since it certainly appears to be a significant conglomerate. Pichpich (talk) 03:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:39th Brigade Combat Team

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. All contents were PD-U.S. Army images and have been moved to Commons, leaving the category empty. The Bushranger One ping only 23:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:39th Brigade Combat Team to Category:Images of the 39th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (United States)
 * Nominator's rationale: to match head article 39th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (United States) and clarify its scope as an image category Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Television series that changed networks

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify to List of television series that changed networks.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting television series that changed networks


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. "Generally a bad idea," to quote the Preliminary Steps. Very much a POV situation, except in a vanishingly small number of cases where consensus does exist that a show changed a network; not really necessary even in those cases; and not really sourced or referenced on any of the articles.  Seemingly created entirely by a single user.  rdfox 76 (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC) Listify per Jc37.  (See my comments below for the change.)  rdfox 76 (talk) 12:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Listify - This will allow for explaining things like which networks were involved. - jc37 16:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm afraid I just don't understand the rationale. "Very much a POV situation"? Either a series changed network or it didn't there's not much room for different points of view to come into play. Sourcing and referencing may be an issue but that's fixable, and the fact the category is mainly the work of a single editor doesn't make it incorrect. Certainly the collection of articles in the category seems quite US-centric at present but again, that's easily fixed.  W a g g e r s  TALK  08:21, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I think I completely misread this situation. I think there might be a little too much ambiguity in the name, as I misread "changed networks" as meaning "caused a significant change to a network" rather than "started on one network and then later moved to another," hence my POV comment--whether a network was changed by a show is certainly something that can be seen as POV.  Thus, I'm changing my !vote to Listify (preferably under a different name like List of television series that moved between networks or something along those lines, to disambiguate the meaning).  rdfox 76 (talk) 12:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Listify and delete. This is certainly a topic of interest to enough people to warrant a properly referenced list, which can delve into greater detail (such as which networks were involved, etc.) -- but it's not a defining characteristic of the shows in the sense that's necessary to justify a category. Bearcat (talk) 18:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Listify This is actually more complex than it first seems. There are some cases where shows on one channel were built around and named after particular stars who then defected to another channel where their series had the same name such as The Morecambe and Wise Show - you can get disputes over whether these are the "same" series or not. There's also the problem with countries where television isn't based around "networks" - here in the UK many shows have moved between the BBC channels but were produced/commissioned by the same company and there's the reverse situation with ITV set-up where the regional companies were the key players and a lot of shows were produced by multiple ones, either because they carried on during a franchise change or because one company picked up from another. And then there are hordes of shows with long afterlifes on different channels from the ones they were originally commissioned for. Timrollpickering (talk) 01:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Districts of Manchester

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 * The result of the discussion was: 'rename to Category:Areas of Manchester.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:26, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Districts of Manchester to Category:Neighbourhoods of Manchester
 * Nominator's rationale: The City of Manchester is a local government district, so it is confusing to also call it's neighbourhoods "Districts" as well. Green Giant (talk) 11:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep – it doesn't seem confusing to me: the word 'district' has a more specific meaning when qualified with 'local government'. "Burnage is a district of Manchester" sounds perfectly colloquial to me, whereas "Burnage is a neighbourhood of Manchester" suggests the Manchester in Connecticut. Oculi (talk) 00:00, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep As per the rationale from Oculi. Neighbourhoods isn't a term that's used (much) in the UK. If it is, it's certainly less-frequent than districts.  Lugnuts  And the horse 07:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - although if "neighbourhoods" doesn't sound quite right perhaps "areas" should be used insteaad. "District" certainly implies something more formal.  W a g g e r s  TALK  08:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep or Rename to Category:Areas of Manchester. "Neighbourhoods" is not commonly used in the UK - it's generally associated with North America. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Areas of Manchester. I am not entirely persuaded that Necrothesp is right about the narrow usage of "neighbourhood", because usage is changing, but he does have a point. "Areas" avoids the scope problems, and also avoids conflict with the specialised meaning of "districts". -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
 * REname to "areas" as Necrothesp & BHG. For same reasons as in London and Basingstoke discussions.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - all these words are used in multiple ways. Manchester is part of the the European Economic Area, and the North West England Region.  Greater Manchester is considered a region for the purposes of the ERDF. Manchester contains a bunch of postal districts.  No purpose is served by moving, certainly not to "neighbourhood" which may not apply to all the districts involved. Rich Farmbrough, 21:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC).


 * Rename per BHG. The form of the title makes it clear that these are areas that Manchester is divided into.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:British anesthesiologists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 05:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:British anesthesiologists to Category:British anaesthetists
 * Propose renaming Category:Scottish anesthesiologists to Category:Scottish anaesthetists
 * Propose renaming Category:English anesthesiologists to Category:English anaesthetists
 * Nominator's rationale: Anaesthetists are never referred to as "anesthesiologists" in Britain. Per WP:COMMONALITY and WP:CONSISTENCY, consistency within an article should be maintained. (There's no similar guideline stating that category spellings have to be uniform)  W a g g e r s  TALK  09:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - the current title does not fit with British English e.g. the professional body for the UK is called the [www.rcoa.ac.uk Royal College of Anaesthetists]. Green Giant (talk) 09:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename all per WP:ENGVAR... but recreate the current titles as Category redirects to assist transpondian readers and editors. There is a long-standing convention that categories should try to follow a consistent naming format, because consistency makes the category tree more easily used by both editors and readers. AFAIK, WP:ENGVAR is the only established exception to that principle. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the convention but couldn't find it documented anywhere - I would have thought wp:engvar or wp:catname would mention it somewhere.  W a g g e r s  TALK  10:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Category names doesn't even document the long-standing principle of consistency in category names, even though achieving consistency is a criterion for speedy renaming. This should be set out explicitly in Category names, because it's pone of the most important conventions at CFD. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename all per WP:ENGVAR. Some of the other subcats of Category:Anesthesiologists by nationality should follow suit. Oculi (talk) 10:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Category:Irish anesthesiologists is one which should follow. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Anesthesiologist is certainly not a common word in the UK. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:12, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong support and add Category:New Zealand anesthesiologists per Australian and New Zealand College of Anaesthetists Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:17, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment In the U.S., an anesthetist is a type of nurse (as opposed to an anesthesiologist, who is a physician). I don't see this as a concern now as is most common to use the full title of nurse anesthetist, and we have no subcategories for nursing by any special[i]ty, but it may be revisited in a few years' time.- choster (talk) 16:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support -- This is clearly a case where we need to apply ENGVAR appropriately. In UK and I suspect other Commonwealth countries an anesthetist will always be qualified as a doctor.  I am not sure what the equivalent of an anesthetist nurse, possibly a theatre nurse.  I know some one who job is to assist the anesthetist by watching the monitors for him during operations, but I do not know his job title.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:35, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you might be referring to operating department practitioners or ODP's. Green Giant (talk) 21:18, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In New Zealand they are called "Anaesthetic Technicians". Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Newark Ironbound Express players

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 23:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Newark Ironbound Express players to Category:Jersey Express S.C. players
 * Nominator's rationale: Name was changed to Jersey Express S.C. in 2011. – Michael (talk) 05:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Please re-create the old title as a Category redirect. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per C2D: the head article has been stable at the current title since it was moved in January 2011.


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Atlanta Silverbacks

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Atlanta Ruckus players to Category:Atlanta Silverbacks players
 * Propose merging Category:Atlanta Silverbacks (USL A-League) players to Category:Atlanta Silverbacks players
 * Propose merging Category:Atlanta Silverbacks (USL First Division) players to Category:Atlanta Silverbacks players
 * Propose merging Category:Atlanta Silverbacks (NASL) players to Category:Atlanta Silverbacks players


 * Nominator's rationale: The team began as the Atlanta Ruckus in 1995 before they changed their name to the Silverbacks in 98'. Then there are these rediculous categories from the A-League, the First Division, and NASL (the new one that is).  They all share the same history and should be merged. – Michael (talk) 05:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge all per nominator. They all relate to the same head article Atlanta Silverbacks and the sane set of players, many of whom are currently in several of these categories. This clutter is pointless. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge all. I can see the argument for keeping as part of the "Foo-league players" trees, but I'm not 100% sure that categorisation by league is defining enough, especially as (as seen here) teams change leagues at the drop of a hat. Categorisation by team, however, is defining, and should be at the most recent name of the team in cases where a team merely changed names, not cities. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support mergers as per above arguments. All the categories refer to the same team, one player category will do. Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 10:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, otherwise we will be overcating players who stayed past the rename.John Pack Lambert (talk)


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Category:Seattle Wolves players
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 23:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Seattle Wolves players to Category:Washington Crossfire players
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. The Seattle Wolves changed their name to the Washington Crossfire in 2010. – Michael (talk) 04:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Lamplighter
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 05:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lamplighter


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, only one item in the category and unlikely to be any others. France 3470   ( talk ) 02:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Even if we pluralised the title and turned it into a set category, I can't see much likelihood of of there being many articles on notable lamplighters. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to all parents.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete no reason to have this one entry cat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Districts of London
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Areas of London. The Bushranger One ping only 05:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Districts of London to Category:Neighbourhoods of Greater London
 * Nominator's rationale: The 32 boroughs of Greater London are local government districts. It is confusing to also categorise neighbourhoods within those boroughs as "districts". Additionally ig should be "Greater London" to match the correct definition of London. Green Giant (talk) 00:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support In England 'district' indicates an administrative unit, these are not such units. S a g a  C i t y (talk) 09:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or Rename to Category:Areas of London. "Neighbourhoods" is not commonly used in the UK - it's generally associated with North America. Yes, we use the term "neighbourhood", but it is generally an informal term meaning a few streets rather than the more formal meaning for a larger area in the USA. The common name for the whole area is London, as in our article. And, confusingly or not, "districts" is frequently used in the UK for these sorts of more informal areas. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Areas of London. I am not entirely persuaded that Necrothesp is right about the narrow usage of "neighbourhood", because usage is changing, but he does have a point. "Areas" avoids the scope problems, and also avoids conflict with the specialised meaning of "districts". -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
 * Support "areas". Neighbourhood is a less common term in UK.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Areas of London per above comments about the confused nature of "neighbourhoods" and "districts". Regarding "London" and "Greater London" these terms are a hideous mess of usage with no clear "correct" definition, as best demonstrated by the governmental body being the "Greater London Authority" that consists of the "Mayor of London" and "London Assembly", but "London" commonly means the whole area and is the convention of the London category tree. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


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Category:Districts of Basingstoke
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all to "Areas."--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Districts of Basingstoke to Category:Neighbourhoods of Basingstoke
 * added later:
 * Category:Districts of Bath, Somerset to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bath, Somerset
 * Category:Districts of Bournemouth to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bournemouth
 * Category:Districts of Bradford to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bradford
 * Category:Districts of Brighton and Hove to Category:Neighbourhoods of Brighton and Hove
 * Category:Districts of Bristol to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bristol
 * Category:Districts of Cheltenham to Category:Neighbourhoods of Cheltenham
 * Category:Districts of Derby to Category:Neighbourhoods of Derby
 * Category:Districts of Eastbourne to Category:Neighbourhoods of Eastbourne
 * Category:Districts of Gloucester to Category:Neighbourhoods of Gloucester
 * Category:Districts of Halifax, West Yorkshire to Category:Neighbourhoods of Halifax, West Yorkshire
 * Category:Districts of Liverpool to Category:Neighbourhoods of Liverpool
 * Category:Districts of Liverpool to Category:Neighbourhoods of Liverpool
 * Category:Districts of Greater Manchester to Category:Neighbourhoods of Greater Manchester
 * Category:Districts of Northampton to Category:Neighbourhoods of Northampton
 * Category:Districts of Norwich to Category:Neighbourhoods of Norwich
 * Category:Districts of Nottingham to Category:Neighbourhoods of Nottingham
 * Category:Districts of Oxford to Category:Neighbourhoods of Oxford
 * Category:Districts of Poole to Category:Neighbourhoods of Poole
 * Category:Districts of Portsmouth to Category:Neighbourhoods of Portsmouth
 * Category:Districts of Sheffield to Category:Neighbourhoods of Sheffield
 * Category:Districts of Southampton to Category:Neighbourhoods of Southampton
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is really about neighbourhoods in the town of Basingstoke, which itself is part of the local government district of Basingstoke and Deane. It is confusing to call the neighbourhoods "districts", so it would be better to rename this and several similar subcategories from "Category:Districts of Foo" to "Category:Neighbourhoods of Foo" to match . Equally, I don't see any problem with renaming them to "Category:Areas of Foo", "Category:Suburbs of Foo" (especially for some of the larger settlements) or even "Category:Places in Foo". Green Giant (talk) 00:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I am also proposing the following for renaming in the same style. The only one I am not nominating is the London category, which really needs to be "Category:Neighbourhoods in Greater London" to match the correct definition of London:


 * Support In England 'district' indicates an administrative unit, these are not such units. S a g a  C i t y (talk) 09:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Support but with a caveat. "Neighbourhoods" is one of those words that is spelt differently in North America to the rest of the world, and there are already a variety of both "Neighbourhoods of..." and "Neighborhoods of..." categories, dependent on the geography concerned. This is the way it should be, and my caveat is that the "u" is kept for these articles. I raise this because there are some horribly jarring cases where this hasn't happened - such as Category:British anesthesiologists‎, Category:English anesthesiologists, Category:Scottish anesthesiologists instead of "anaesthetists". There's a clear conflict between the requirement to have consistent category names and the requirement to respect different variations of English. I think the latter should trump the former when a category is geographically specific, but that doesn't seem to be Wikipedia policy (yet). So if we can't keep "neighbourhoods" with that spelling I would suggest renaming to "Localities of..." instead. "Districts..." is of course incorrect for the reasons already mentioned.  W a g g e r s  TALK  09:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * (Actually, I think I'll do something about that...)  W a g g e r s  TALK  09:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Note. I have listed all the rest of the categories at the top, so that editors can see the full scope of what is proposed. Having them in a hidden list obscures the scope of the proposed change. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing that. I only hid them because I thought it might flood the nomination. Green Giant (talk) 16:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The problem with "suburb" is that it is a specific type of neighbourhood. In UK usage, it means an area which is contiguous with the city, but away from the city centre. For example, Allerton is a suburb of Bradford; a residential area on the periphery. OTOH Little Germany is also an area in Bradford, but it is a thoroughly urban business district located and right beside the city centre, so it is not a suburb. There may be a case for an alternative to "neighbourhood", but "suburb" is not a solution. I also think that Occuli is mistaken to dismiss "neighbourhood" as a non-UK term. A |countryGB&cr=countryUK|countryGB&tbm=nws UK search of Google News shows widespread use of the term. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename all . As the nominator points out, Districts of England are a local govt area, and using the term for other purposes causes confusion. per WP:ENGVAR, the spelling should follow the usage in England. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename all to "Areas of Foo". Changing my !vote per discussion below. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose – in the UK "neighbourhood" is not used in this sense at all. I have never heard of a suburb being called a 'neighbourhood'. As is a parent, 'suburbs' is the obvious word to use. Oculi (talk) 10:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this is the right talk page. However, i have just noticed on Liverpool's districts page that it is up for change to neighbourhoods. As the previous user says, neighbourhood is not used over her. It is very much "districts" or areas of a city and certainly my city Liverpool. I'd say it is also an old term. Babydoll9799 (talk) 12:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * (ec) Occuli's proposal would narrow the scope of the category.
 * I disagree! They are districts. This isn't America, this might be the appropriate category for America but not here. Babydoll9799 (talk) 13:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Well Babydoll9799, Liverpool Council seems to think there are neighbourhoods in Liverpool ->, as well as a report by the audit commission, the local newspaper, a national newspaper, a housing association, even the local police force uses "neighbourhoods" (North Liverpool, South Liverpool etc). Maybe you don't have them in Liverpool, but in some places in the UK we have "neighbourhood watch" schemes, neighbourhood improvement schemes, and neighbourhood statistics by the ONS, safer neighbourhoods in London, as well as informal use like Cornwall neighbourhoods for change. So the word "neighbourhood actually appears to be fairly common in the UK. That said, I think there are several valid terms so I will support any renaming to "Areas of Foo", "Suburbs of Foo", or even "Places in Foo", just not "Districts of Foo". Green Giant (talk) 16:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or Rename to Category:Areas of Basingstoke etc. "Neighbourhoods" is not commonly used in the UK - it's generally associated with North America. Yes, we use the term "neighbourhood", but it is generally an informal term meaning a few streets ("in the neighbourhood") rather than the more formal meaning for a larger area in the USA. In Britain it generally keeps its literal meaning derived from "neighbours" (as in "neighbourhood watch"). Yes, the British police have started using the term "safer neighbourhoods", but that's really just a term coined for its snappy title rather than a reflection of common British usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I would be happy with "area". It avoids the specialised meanings conveyed by "district" or "suburb". I think that Necrothesp may be right that while "neighbourhood" is increasingly used in Enngland, it defines smaller territories than captured by this category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:55, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here. Some residents think that 'suburb' is pejorative so it should be avoided; 'district' is ruled out for reasons discussed. While I have no problem with 'neighbourhood' at least 'area' is easier to type. S a g a C i t y (talk) 12:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Also support "area". While "neighbourhood" has some (and increasing) British usage, it does not sound right for the quite large informal districts in my city. Rwendland (talk) 10:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree "neighbourhood" is not right at all, wrong size/concept.  But "area" is quite appropriate. Cebderby (talk) 15:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * REname all to "area of". This is a much more satisfactory general term in England.  Furthermore, recent planning legislation provides for "Neighbourhood Plans", to be prepared by committees of the public, with the Local Planning Authority (usually the district council) overseeing the determination of what is a neighbourhood.  This means that that term may take on a formal sigbnificance.  The districts of the cats will not necessarily be neighbourhoods in these terms.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to "areas of" in all cases.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is the UK, "District" is the term commonly used. "Neighbourhood" is an unheard of Americanism, you might just as well place Gloucestershire in the "States of the United Kingdoms of England" Andy Dingley (talk) 08:46, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


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