Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 6



Category:History of Britain by period & Category:History of England by period

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. With a side note that the category was not tagged.Vegaswikian (talk) 23:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:History of Britain by period into Category:History of England by period
 * Nominators rationale: Both are separate categories in the parent category Category:History of the United Kingdom by period but looking at the child categories, it's random what periods appear in each category. There is a "History of Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Northern Ireland by period" categories and I think "England" is more clearly a geographic place name than "Britain". If there is an important distinction between the two that is crucial to periodization, that should be noted on both the category pages. Newjerseyliz (talk) 22:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep the Britain category is clearly for the old stuff, the Industrial Revolution was miscategorized, but the other periods are clearly pre-England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland etc. Further, it doesn't make sense, since Wales is part of Britain, but not England. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 13:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose History of Britain specifically covers the period before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons. Dimadick (talk) 16:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose Roman Britain is not England.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I was wondering why the Category "Industrial Revolution" appeared as a period under Britain. Newjerseyliz (talk) 02:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- If we were to do anything, it would be a reverse merge, as England is only one part of Britain. Category:Prehistoric sites in England‎ and some century/millennia categories are the only England ones that cover the pre-migrations period.  The trees should remain separate, but the distinction Roman and Prehistoric Britian categories and Dark Age and later England could usefully be covered in a headnote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:35, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:State auditors and comptrollers of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:State auditors in the United States and Category:State comptrollers of the United States to Category:State auditors and comptrollers of the United States
 * Nominators rationale: They are offices with the same function with different names in different states. In no case is there a state with both. Greg Bard (talk) 18:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Support - this is sensible. Neutralitytalk 04:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Fiction of Northern Ireland

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction of Northern Ireland to Category: Northern Irish Fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: All of the subcategories in Category:Fiction by nationality are titled "Category: Nationality Fiction" not "Category: Fiction of Country" (from Category:Albanian fiction to Category:Yemeni fiction. Newjerseyliz (talk) 12:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep – everything under Northern Ireland uses 'of/from Northern Ireland', eg Category:Literature of Northern Ireland, not Northern Irish. Oculi (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It won't be consistent with every other category on nationality in the Fiction Category. Newjerseyliz (talk) 21:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do you think consistency within the fiction category overrides consistency within the Northern Ireland tree (which was decided at various cfds such as this one and this one)? Oculi (talk) 00:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * inclined to keep for clarity, per Oculi. Seyasirt (talk) 21:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, it is the only nationality to have its category named in this way. Please look at Category:Fiction by nationality for comparison. Newjerseyliz (talk) 22:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose Northern Ireland is a special case. We next will someone want to change Category:Fiction of the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Category:Congolese fiction just so it matches. Some country cats have special issues and needed to be named separately.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We might name it Category:Northern Ireland fiction to match say Category:Dominican Republic fiction (at least its parent Category:Dominican Republic literature) or Category:New Zealand fiction.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:44, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

However, when alternative format better fits the convention of another categ tree, the alternative should be created as a category redirect to assist editors who categorise pages. In this case, Category:Northern Irish Fiction should have been created as a redirect to Category:Fiction of Northern Ireland. I have just done so, without prejudice to the outcome of this discussion (closer peel free to delete the redirect if you think that's appropriate). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Northern Irish is not satisfactory as an adjectival version of Northern Ireland. Some country names do mnot provide a satisfactory adjective.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose in the first place "Fiction" should not be capitalized in the suggested name. Second Category:Northern Ireland fiction or Category:Fiction of Northern Ireland work better per the concerns pointed out by the people above -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. The convention of Category:Northern Ireland is to avoid the phrase "Northern Irish", which is politically non-neutral. The alternative "of/from/in Northern Ireland" was set at CFD 2009 July 13, and has been upheld at every CFD since then.


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Category:Royal College Panadura

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedily deleted (G5). . Elockid   ( Talk ) 12:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting royal college panadura


 * Nominator's rationale: Subject is a high school, of no particular note; there will never be enough pages related to need this category. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Royal College Panadura

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedily deleted (G5). Elockid   ( Talk ) 12:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting royal college panadura


 * Nominator's rationale: This is about a high school in Sri Lanka. There's never going to be more than the school itself, and there is a very good chance this is the creation of a sock (looking into that now). Qwyrxian (talk) 11:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Has only one entry....William 12:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Terrorism in India since 2001

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting terrorism in india since 2001


 * Nominator's rationale: This category reflects an arbitrary inclusion criterion since there is no compelling reason to divide the topic of terrorism in India into pre- and post-2001 periods. India has been plagued for decades by separatist movements that have carried out countless terrorist acts of varying degrees of notability.
 * Each subcategory is already present in Category:Terrorist incidents in India by year and in two year-based categories: "XXXX in India" and "Terrorist incidents in XXXX". The two templates should be manually moved to Category:Terrorism in India as there is no reason, in principle, to limit them to the post-2001 period. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. While 2001 may be controlling in some places (but even then, with by year cats, I see no reason to impose such a overall rule), it seems to not be at all controlling in India. The issues of Kashmir, Assam, Punjab and other places with movements that at times engage in terrorism long pre-date 2001, and nothing of note changed the issues in India in 2001.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment if we had Category:20th century terrorism in India, we'd have no problem with Category:21st century terrorism in India, and a rename would solve the issue. Perhaps someone would organize thusly...? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Each subcategory is in two year-based categories – "XXXX in India" and "Terrorist incidents in XXXX" – and we already have a category structure for Category:Terrorist incidents by century, decade, and year; a parallel structure for terrorism by century, decade, and year will contain little other than the "incidents" categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.An unnecessary category. Does not fit into category tree.Shyamsunder (talk) 12:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Excetp a couple of technical items (which may need to be deleted anyway). The subject is already covered by Category:Terrorist incidents in India by year.  We deleted a lot of 20th/21st century split categories sometime ago, as a attempt at a surrogate for current/former, which we do not allow.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Current ministerial offices in New South Wales

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Current ministerial offices in New South Wales to Category:Ministers of the New South Wales state government
 * Nominator's rationale: Categorization should be by permanent defining characteristics so a category should not be for "current" things. Therefore, upmerge to (only) parent cat. DexDor (talk) 05:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge we avoid current categories in almost all cases.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge -- Effectively these are the same things. In some countries, it may be useful to have a subcategory for obsolete ministries, if there are neough to warrant it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Association of Computing Machinery Distinguished Educators

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete.  With only 3 members, I don't see a need to listify Mordechai Ben-Ari, Michael Kölling and Richard E. Pattis. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting association of computing machinery distinguished educators


 * Nominator's rationale: Having received an award like this is not generally considered to be a WP:DEFINING characteristic (see WP:OC). DexDor (talk) 04:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * delete per WP:OC. Seyasirt (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This award is not of the level we categorize people by having received it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:48, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per JPL. Not defining, and fails WP:OC. --95.83.253.199 (talk) 18:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Listify in Association of Computing Machinery then delete. We do not allow most award categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:European Capitals of Sport

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting european capitals of sport


 * Nominator's rationale: That has city has organised "a series of sport events with a strong European dimension" is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the city. For info: There is a list at European Capital of Sport.  A similar category for culture was recently deleted. DexDor (talk) 04:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete We already have a list with the article. I am not sure if this is an award or a venue cat, but it is not defining for the city.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete for same reasons of "culture". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per JPL. Not defining. --95.83.253.199 (talk) 18:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This is far too like an award or a performance by performer category to be kept. We have deleted Olympic cities and Capital of Culure categories.  The precedent applies.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


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