Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 22



Category:Heavy metal groups discographies

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The parent is Category:Rock music group discographies, and we also have Category:Punk rock groups discographies, so some standardisation is needed. My initial thought was to relist this discussion, but since no outcome of this discussion can produce consistency, I will now open a new procedural nomination of all 3 categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Heavy metal groups discographies to Category:Heavy metal group discographies
 * Nominator's rationale: Make "groups" singular, per Category:Rock music group discographies.  Lazy Bastard  Guy  19:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Neutral I have no objection, but why this change from plural to singular?--Malconfort (talk) 16:28, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's grammatically awkward to have it "groups discographies". It sort of implies that more than one group is covered per discography.  Lazy Bastard  Guy  23:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Neutral as well. To me it implies that these are discographies for heavy metal groups, so while awkward, it seems correct. Consistency would be nice however. There's Category:Rock music group discographies, Category:Punk rock groups discographies, and Category:Pop music groups discographies. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


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Category:San Francisco Bay Area cinema

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cinema of the San Francisco Bay Area. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:31, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:San Francisco Bay Area cinema to Category:Cinema in the San Francisco Bay Area
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the only metro region "cinema" category that I'm aware of. Rename to match X of Y structure, though I prefer "in" to the "of" that we use for country categories, as the SF Bay area is not a national cinema. I'd considered speedying this but my track record there has been less than stellar of late. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Some editors w/ experience in the cinema/film discussions may prefer Category:Film in the San Francisco Bay Area, but as this is a geo region, I'm slightly more for retaining "cinema" in the name. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:29, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Cinema of the San Francisco Bay Area, per Category:Cinema of the United States. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:32, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Cinema of the San Francisco Bay Area, per black falcon, and per example of Category:Cinema of Northern Ireland (however, using "OF" per shawn does make sense as well). I honestly dont recall why i gave it its current name. I do know why i created it: bay area is now a major film hub, and subject of numerous films, and we have lots of categories for this region (yes, i did create a lot, but many were here before me). of course, we dont even have Category:Cinema of California, or Category:Cinema of Los Angeles, nor do we have an article on Film industry in California, Film industry in Los Angeles or Film industry in the San Francisco Bay Area, but i think we probably should have those.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * WHAT? Where is that Category:Wikipedians who protest abuse of power? Oh yes, there it is. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I dont get it. what am i protesting? i think your idea is great, and im not saying someone else should create these other pages/categories. If i cared enough, id create them myself. i do try not to whine here. Of course, i do tend to go on and on at AFD/CFD, in which case, mea culpa:)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * This was meant entirely as a joke to Black Falcon, sorry. And I'm fine with "of" as it does match the cinema parent cat, whereas the culture cats use "in" and "of" (or even fooian culture) rather interchangeably. Thanks! Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool, got it. This "in" and "of" stuff can be disorienting sometimes, along the lines of angels dancing on the head of a pin. still, we have to try to get it right, right? right!Mercurywoodrose (talk) 21:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Latter Day Saint art and culture

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The nominator should feel free to create the suggested new categories as subcats, and open a new CFd to propose the merger or deletion of this category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Latter Day Saint art and culture to Category:Latter Day Saint art and Category:Latter Day Saint media
 * Nominator's rationale: Split. The new names would be a better fit within appropriate sub-cats of Category:Christian media. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:44, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Ageing journals

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ageing journals to Category:Gerontology journals
 * Nominator's rationale: All other categories in the Category:Medical journals tree are named after their field of medical specialization, except this one. Randykitty (talk) 14:21, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename, "ageing" comes off as an informal term anyway.  Lazy Bastard  Guy  23:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support ageing journal is ambiguous (are these old journals?) and gerontology is the proper term for the field. --Mark viking (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. --NaBUru38 (talk) 21:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Birds of Ukraine and others

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No clear consensus was reached here, and in any case no categories were tagged with, so any agreement here would have been invalid. Editors may wish to open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds about what to do with these categories before returning to CFD with a valid nomination which lists all the affected categories, tags them, and clarifies the intended effect of the proposal. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting Category:Birds of Ukraine and similar "Birds of country"
 * Nominator's rationale: Following this discussion, there appeared to be a consensus to restrict basic "Birds of a location" categories to continents rather than countries. Birds of Ukraine poses an immediate problem in that it's just been hot-catted on to a huge number of pages (The user concerned participated in the discussion and suggested posting here).  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:48, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I looked at Category:Birds of Europe, and see that the most heavily populated categories are Birds of Azerbaijan, Category:Birds of Turkey , Birds of Ukraine ; after those, the next biggest is Birds of Russia. Is the best solution just to upmerge everything to Category:Birds of Europe? Or just to purge the 3 bloated categories and WP:TROUT the over-categoriser? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:32, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Question. Categorising birds by continent rather than by country sounds like a good idea, but if that is the solution it should be implemented upmerger rather than just by deleting the categories.
 * Comment At the discussion referred to in this nomination the consensus was declared to be that regional categories would be kept for endemic species (and the nominator seemed to support that). Are we being invited to overrule that discussion? Thincat (talk) 17:22, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I now see we have Category:Endemic birds by country so that is promising but Andaman Crake is in Birds of India but not in Endemic birds of India. It looks to me as if things need seeing to before any upmerge loses important information. Thincat (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * In principle merge. The indigenous birds seems to be used for American countries and Australia.  A national category for a species that occur wholly or mainly in a country would be fine.  We might have categories based on regions, again where the bird occurs wholly or mainly in that region (such as the Caucasus, Scandinavia, or the Balkans or southern Europe), but there are altogether too many countries in Europe for countries to provide a satisfactory basis for a category scheme. Foobird occurs in Booland may not literally be a performance category, but it is nearly as bad. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:47, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Aboriginal Australian health

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at CFD 2014 January 16. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:31, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Aboriginal Australian health to Category:Indigenous health in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: The scope of this category is not limited to health topics that affect Aboriginal Australians only. It also includes articles about topics affecting Torres Strait Islanders, and so this category need not remain separate from its parent for all Indigenous Australians. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Books about Australian Aborigines

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:58, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Books about Australian Aborigines to Category:Books about Indigenous Australians
 * Nominator's rationale: The term Indigenous Australians is more inclusive, including both Aboriginal Australians and Torres Strait Islanders, and there is no need to limit the scope of this category to Aboriginal Australians only. The parents include Category:History of Indigenous Australians and Category:Indigenous Australian culture. Another option would be to rename to Category:Books about Aboriginal Australians, per the main article Aboriginal Australians. (Category creator not notified because: bot account) -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename. (Original category creator Maias notified manually.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:10, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Kōji Seo

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at CFD 2014 January 16. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting kōji seo


 * Nominator's rationale: There is not enough existing content about this person to warrant an eponymous category. With the exception of the biography, all other content is categorized in Category:Works by Kouji Seo. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


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