Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 27



Category:Mongolian monarchs

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename all to "rulers". -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Mongolian monarchs to Category:Mongol states
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century Mongolian monarchs to Category:12th-century Mongol rulers
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century Mongolian monarchs to Category:13th-century Mongol rulers
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century Mongolian monarchs to Category:14th-century Mongol rulers
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century Mongolian monarchs to Category:15th-century Mongol rulers
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century Mongolian monarchs to Category:16th-century Mongol rulers
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century Mongolian monarchs to Category:17th-century Mongol rulers


 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Mongolian monarchs doesn't contain modern republics : List of Mongolian states 182.160.4.162 (talk) 13:10, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Here are 8 categories: Category:Mongol Empire people, Category:Borjigin, Category:Heads of state of Mongolia, Category:Khans, Category:Great Khans of the Mongol Empire, Category:Mongol Empire, Category:Mongolian dynasties, Category:Genghis Khan 182.160.6.151 (talk) 12:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename The current name suggests this should have articles on individual people who were monarchs. This is not what it has, it has articles on various governments and such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Mongolian monarchs per nom. Keep the rest, which mainly contain articles on individual rulers: perhaps rename to Category:12th-century Mongolian rulers, etc.   These seem largely to contain bio-articles on individual monarchs: for example, Genghis Khan was NOT a state.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:09, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I changed "states" to "rulers" except "Category:Mongolian monarchs to Category:Mongol states" 182.160.11.239 (talk) 05:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I created the discussion on 27 December, can we rename the category now? 182.160.32.228 (talk) 10:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC) So rename Category:Mongolian monarchs to Category:Mongol rulers please. 182.160.11.11 (talk) 04:06, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename ALL to "rulers", including Category:Mongolian monarchs which contains a mixed bag with several non-states. Johnbod (talk) 11:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom the monarchs categories. Some of the individuals included were tribal leaders, not monarchs. And in rulers we could also include Mongol regents such as Tolui and Töregene Khatun. I agree with Johbod that Category:Mongolian monarchs should be renamed to Category:Mongolian rulers. Dimadick (talk) 19:47, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Hellcats episodes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. There is agreement that a category of episodes is is un-needed, since its possible content is the List of Hellcats episodes and the pilot A World Full of Strangers. There was no agreement on the suggestion to rename and repurpose the category as a general category for the series, but the objection that such a category would fail WP:SMALLCAT is grounded in policy, so I weigh that as a consensus to delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:20, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting hellcats episodes


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Single-item category for a canceled series, unlikely to expand. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:42, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Possibly Rename and repurpose as Category:Hellcats, which seems to be for the series. On the otehr hand I observe there is a Hellcat comic (currently a redirect).  Are these related?  If so, perhaps we might merge into one category for the fictional franchise.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:16, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "Hellcat" is one of the noms de guerre of the character Patsy Walker and is unrelated to the TV show. The only other pertinent article for a Category:Hellcats is the article for the show itself. There is no list of characters and, since Hellcats is a Good Article, presumably if the person or persons who worked to promote it thought a character list was needed they would have created one. A two-article category still runs afoul of SMALL and EPONYMOUS. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I mean honestly -What is the holdup here? Jerry Pepsi (talk) 04:54, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


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Category:The Lone Gunmen (TV series) episodes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting the lone gunmen (tv series) episodes


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category contains nothing but a container category for redirects. Serves no purpose. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This is pointless. I also wonder whether the administrative category Category:The Lone Gunmen episode redirects to lists is serving any useful purpose.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Kim family

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Kim dynasty (North Korea) per head article Kim dynasty (North Korea).  -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Kim family to Category:
 * Nominator's rationale: This category has a somewhat confusing name. Kim is the most common Korean surname; see Kim (Korean surname). There are lots of other notable people with the same surname (see e.g. the incomplete list in List of people with the Korean family name Kim), and the current name risks causing mix-up with other notable families with the same name. Should be coordinated with similar discussions such as Template talk:Kim Jong-il family tree. Stefan2 (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Kim Il-sung family per parent Category:Kim Il-sung. Oculi (talk) 02:57, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Charles Essie has now made Category:Kim family a parent of Category:Kim Il-sung, which is the wrong way round. (Category:Kim family is a list category of family members; Category:Kim Il-sung is a topic category of articles related to Kim Il-sung, such as articles about his family.) Oculi (talk) 14:56, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, the category about the family should be the parent category, that's how it always was with Category:Kim Jong-il. Charles Essie (talk) 01:09, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Category:Kim Il-sung family has just (26 Dec) been renamed via speedy to Category:Kim family (link). Speedy criteria should include a note about ambiguity: category names should match article names unless the article name is ambiguous. Oculi (talk) 15:10, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment, it should not be renamed until the discussion about the title of the main page is completed, then we should use the name we come up with. Charles Essie (talk) 03:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Speedy Revert to name prior to speedy rename, per Occuli. After we sort out the Kim family article, this can be revisited, but as of right now, it should be renamed, to avoid having this as a dumping ground for Kim (surname) people. The category name is highly ambiguous, so even if the Kim family article isn't renamed, this category name is unacceptable in its ambiguousness, and necessarily needs a different name, per previous precedents of overly ambiguously named main articles needing a different category name. -- 76.65.128.112 (talk) 05:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Update the article has been renamed to Kim dynasty (North Korea) so the C2D name would be Category:Kim dynasty (North Korea) -- 76.65.128.112 (talk) 02:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy revert to Category:Kim Il-sung family or soemthing similar. Kim is the most common Korean surname, which measn that the presnet name is the equivalent in English of "Smith family" or in Welsh to "Jones family".  These are not linked to the family of any given individual.  I seem to recall that South Korea also had a President Kim, who was completely unrelated.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Speedy revert: The lack of a large number of Korean surnames means that not having the "Il-sung" makes it very ambiguous. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Kim dynasty (or Category:Kim dynasty (North Korea) to follow recent rename from "Kim family" → "Kim dynasty (North Korea)". (I'm advocated the same for the template rename.) "Dynasty" is a term used by the RS and it refers to the totality of Kim Il-sung's family (a dynasty) without being easily confused with every other possible "Kim family" combination.  czar  ♔  02:27, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree. Charles Essie (talk) 16:25, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Me too Johnbod (talk) 11:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Category:Kim dynasty (North Korea), as essentially a C2D issue. I've proposed a move of the corresponding article to Kim dynasty; if it's successful, this can be moved to Category:Kim dynasty as a C2D as well. --BDD (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


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