Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 8



Category:List of upcoming Pakistani films

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge into . עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:List of upcoming Pakistani films to Category:Upcoming Pakistani films
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a category, not a list. DexDor (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Pakistani films. Due to the transitory nature of what is "upcoming", there really is no need to break down Category:Upcoming films by country. All contents of category are already in the parent category of "upcoming films". -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * merge per starcheers. I agree we don't need to split these, esp since this categorization is ephemeral.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 04:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Per nom, or per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars? -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * sorry, fixed.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Pakistani films per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. This is an ephemeral characteristic. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge per everybody. While I'd actually prefer to kill altogether, due to its transitory "constantly in flux" nature which necessitates constant maintenance, I doubt there's a consensus for that and at the very least there's no value in subdividing it by nationality. Bearcat (talk) 06:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Bengali intellectuals killed in 1971

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 * The result of the discussion was: MERGE to Category:People killed in the Bangladesh Liberation War‎. This is marginal tending to delete, but does not quite have the convergence of opinion that looks like a rough consensus - however, there is agreement that the category should not remain as it is, and a good target has been identified that seems like the real meaning of the category anyway. -Splash - tk 22:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Post closure note: Actually, all 6 articles in the nominated category were already in the merge target, so this actually amounted to a straight delete in effect (only). Splash - tk 22:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting bengali intellectuals killed in 1971


 * Nominator's rationale: We don't have a category for "Bengali intellectuals" (that this could be a child of) and we don't normally (AFAIK) categorize by the combination of nationality, occupation and year-of-death. The two articles currently in this category are in plenty of other categories including Category:1971 deaths. DexDor (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. How do you define if a person is a intellectual?...William 13:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete the year and certainty of death could be an issue here too, since many just disappeared. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:18, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & William. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge somehow. I suspect this is actually an incorrectly parented subcat of Category:People killed in the Bangladesh Liberation War‎, but that might become "during", to make it clear that it is not just about military victims.  PLain deletion is likely to resault in loss of useful data.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:People killed in the Bangladesh Liberation War‎ per Peterkingiron. "Intellectuals" in too WP:OC a term for viable categorisation, but the defining attribute is clearly that these people were killed in the conflict, and that should be preserved. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete biased -- SMS Let's talk    08:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:People killed in the Bangladesh Liberation War. Intellectual actually has a very clear definition, but too many people use it in a subjective way not tied to its actual definition.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:26, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Pornographic film actors of Spanish ethnicity

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 * The result of the discussion was: DELETE. -Splash - tk 22:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting pornographic film actors of spanish ethnicity
 * Nominator's rationale: "Spanish" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, and this category duplicates existing and more clearly defined category schemes. Pornographic film actors of Spanish nationality are categorized in Category:Spanish pornographic film actors. Pornographic film actors of another nationality, but of Spanish descent, are categorized in the appropriate Category:Fooian pornographic film actors and Category:Fooian people of Spanish descent; for example, Lexxi Tyler is in Category:American female pornographic film actors and Category:American people of Spanish descent. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete we don't need to have everything by ethnicity. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:53, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge -- I do not see that there is a differnece between this and Category:Hispanic pornographic film actors, currently its parent. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Category:Hispanic pornographic film actors is, currently, a container category for national-level subcategories. It should not, in my opinion, directly contain individual biographies in a quadruple intersection of descent (Hispanic), profession (actor), genre (pornographic), and medium (film). -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. "Spanish" is a nationality, not an ethnicity. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:43, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This is way too specific. However, like French and Italian, Spanish can actually be used to designate an ethnicity. Hispanic may originally have been seen as the ethnic designation, but there are people describe as "Hispanic" who have no real connection to being ethnically Spanish.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:28, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Pet molluscs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:34, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting pet molluscs


 * Nominator's rationale: Being a pet is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of things like Octopus and Snail (or even, IMO, Achatina fulica). I don't think listifying is needed, but the cat could be listified to Pets.  Note: Should this CFD result in deletion other subcategories of Category:Animals kept as pets should be checked, although some (e.g. Category:Dogs as pets are probably fine). DexDor (talk) 20:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - an animal species is not defined by whether or not someone kept a particular representative of the animal as a pet. Potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet by someone. Individual pet animals should be categorized under Category:Individual animals and its sub-categories. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 22:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Animal species most definitely can be classified according to whether they are commonly kept as pets, as evidenced by abundant sources covering the keeping of certain species (or of more general taxonomic groups) but not others.  The categorization is both useful to readers and also clear-cut enough to be supportable by reliable sources.  For this category alone there are entire books dedicated to, say, snail care for home aquarists.  That "potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet" is a specious argument, as that's not what this and other pet categories are intended for. —Psychonaut (talk) 09:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * To me it appears that this and its sibling categories are intended to capture any animal that can be or has been kept as a pet. That is borne out by the contents of this category. Why, what do you think they're intended for?
 * I agree that categories should be created and maintained that encompass the concept of pet care and indeed we have some, e.g. Category:Cats as pets. But not categories for animals that are or may be pets. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * delete we should also delete the other pet categories - which sources are used to determine 'commonly kept as pets'? Are we talking about now, in America, or are we talking about what pets Sumerian kings would keep? Better to turn these into lists, as being-kept-as-a-pet is not defining of snails or octopi. We could keep topic cats like dogs-as-pets but linking individual species here is a bad idea, so I would support clearing the other ones too. Amongst Las Vegas magicians, white tigers are common pets but I don't think this is defining of the white tiger as species. A list could better capture volume on a per country basis of pet-keeping which would allow us to see relative levels of pet-osity for different species - but as a category it's too subjective.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm not conceptually against a domesticated animal cat and ones commonly kept as pets might qualify. But these animals are rarely kept as pets and Giant African Snail should not be kept as one. Just because some fool puts a walrus in their pool... RevelationDirect (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Whether capitve octopoi, snails, etc are pets is debatable anyway. However this is categoirising species, not specifically pets.  Possibly it might be listified as molluscs that can be kept as pets, but do we really need that?  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:42, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:People made famous by their deaths

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting people made famous by their deaths


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. 'Famous' is POV and generally avoided in category names. Gilliam (talk) 18:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Note: If a person was made famous by their death then (per WP:BLP1E WP:ONEEVENT ) we shouldn't have an article about the person, but we might have an article about the event of their death (e.g. a murder). DexDor (talk) 21:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC) corrected. DexDor (talk) 05:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - while not a BLP1E violation (with the L in BLP standing for "living") categorizing people under the word "famous" is POV. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 00:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Ugh, will these death cats never die? Category:People who died on the way to the hospital RevelationDirect (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * While we do indeed have some articles about people whose death happened to be the thing that made them notable enough to have an article (think Matthew Shepard and Mary Jo Kopechne), that fact in and of itself is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic that warrants categorization as such — and as noted, we avoid subjective terminology like "famous". Delete with fire. Bearcat (talk) 06:32, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & DexDor we ought to consider eliminating some of these articles (e.g., Mary Jo Kopechne could be merged with Chappaquiddick incident and redirected, since its WP:ONEEVENT material). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename -- We get a class of articles on notorious murders, often ones heavily covered by the news media. My feeling is that there is here the basis of a valid category, but that the name is wrong: perhaps Category:Notorious deaths or Category:People whose deaths were notorious.  The scope could still be definbed by the present headnote.  Most of the cases are murders or manslaughter, but they mayh not all be.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:50, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * We already have categories that serve the purpose you suggest (i.e. ), so I don't see why this would be needed. Bearcat (talk) 02:47, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:The West Wing stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the west wing stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. The dedicated fans of The West Wing have made a West Wings stub category unnecessary.  There have not been more than a handful of stubs for this category for a considerable amount of time.  Keep and upmerge template, and delete category. Dawynn (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete and merge per nominator. It's nice to see a stub category becoming redundant because so many articles have been improved. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


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Scottish Professional Football League players

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Scottish Championship players to Category:Scottish Professional Football League players
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish League One players to Category:Scottish Professional Football League players
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish League Two players to Category:Scottish Professional Football League players
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish Premiership players to Category:Scottish Professional Football League players
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. WP:OC. As per my nomination regarding managers, we do not split Category:Scottish Football League players by which division they played in. Having a category for each division will cause up to four categories on each page as players move up and down the divisions due to promotion and relegation. Similarly, Category:The Football League players (covering three divisions in the English football league system) is not split by division. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge all - this is actually a move I was preparing to propose myself. These categories should be merged per commonsense and examples of and . GiantSnowman 12:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge all -- At differnet stages in a career, players are likely to play in different leagues. Also the presnet league is a merger of two others in 2013, so that the definitions exclude players who retired before 2013.  We do not generally allow a current/past split.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:12, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


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Scottish Professional Football League managers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:35, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Scottish Championship managers to Category:Scottish Professional Football League managers
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish League One managers to Category:Scottish Professional Football League managers
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish League Two managers to Category:Scottish Professional Football League managers
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish Premiership managers to Category:Scottish Professional Football League managers
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. WP:OC. The Scottish Professional Football League now covers all of the top four divisions of the Scottish football league system. We do not divide Category:Scottish Football League managers by which division(s) the managers operated in, e.g. Alex Ferguson (who managed East Stirlingshire, St. Mirren and Aberdeen in the Scottish leagues) is categorised under Category:Scottish Football League managers, not Category:Scottish Football League Premier Division managers, etc. Having a category for all four divisions will lead to a proliferation of categories as players move up and down the divisions as there is promotion and relegation between each level. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge all - and I suggest the nominator also opens a new discussion for the related player categories. GiantSnowman 12:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge all -- At differnet stages in a career, men are likely to manage in different leagues. Also the presnet league is a merger of two others in 2013, so that the definitions exclude managers who retired before 2013.  We do not generally allow a current/past split.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:13, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Yusuf Islam albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:37, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Yusuf Islam albums to Category:Cat Stevens albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. It seems these albums should all be under the Cat Stevens category since they are the same person and that category matches the title of the main article. A category redirect would be appropriate, however. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 10:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Although the albums are by the same artist, the Cat Stevens albums are predominantly Pop or Rock albums, whereas the Yusuf Islam albums are Islamic music albums. His change of music is synonymous with his change of name after his conversion to Islam. I think a combination of these points deduce a notable and defining characteristic. It is useful to have separate categories as the category Category:Islamic music albums only applies to a third of the subject's albums. Tanbircdq (talk) 14:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * keep this is a special case but the shift in name + different style of music makes this worthwhile. For clarity we may consider renaming both if these to 'Albums recorded as Yusuf Islam' and 'Albums recorded as Cat Stevens' or something similar.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Beatles vs. Wings. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Not quite the same thing. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You could strike "quite". Not even slightly the same thing. Bearcat (talk) 06:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * They're both Paul McCartney bands with some backup singers. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Which is the same thing as "an individual solo artist who changed his own legal name" how, exactly? Bearcat (talk) 02:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Women in space

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator Holding off for possible merge/rename of Mothers in space.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:49, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting women in space


 * Nominator's rationale: Unneeded genderizing category; no demonstration that women have a special relationship with outer space that is different than the relationship men have with space. We already have a category, but this one as a parent isn't needed unless we're willing to create  as well. Women are humans, and  is a perfectly reasonable place for any articles we have here. All existing articles are categorized elsewhere, so no need to merge. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep There is a rather clear and defining common characteristic that exists at this point in terms of women in space, as exemplified by the coverage in Mothers in space of gestational issues in space. As usual, nothing in Wikipedia is needed and arguments of the "isn't needed" sort demonstrate a lack of any legitimate policy based justification for deletion. Alansohn (talk) 01:39, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


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