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Category:1760s in California

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1760s in California to Category:1760s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in this time. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1760's in Mexico, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1760's in Alta California. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:1760s in New Spain. I see no reason to subdivide to this level at this time.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:1760s in New Spain. There is not enough content for this to be split. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1760s in California — and all other Category:Decades in California for those other decades nominated below, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). Category:Decades in California (and years) when under Spanish or Mexican dominion can be also accurately subcategorized in Category:Spanish California, Category:Mexican California; and pre-contact decades/years in Category:Native American history of California. In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade begins with [Wikimedia Category:California in the 1760s] and Category:1769 in California, providing simple access/reinforcing of image/en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of California within their domaines pre-statehood:
 * Category:Decades in Spain goes back to Category:1180s in Spain, though then and for nearly four more centuries a combo of numerous sovereign governance entities, with dramatic swings in predominant religions and gains and losses in European and global empire, that were not united under one crown and established as one entity named Spain until the 16th century. Before this the 'Spanish' Americas (including geographic California) and portions of the Iberian Peninsula were under the Crown of Castile, while European and other Iberian domaines were under the Crown of Aragon.
 * Category:Decades in Mexico goes back to the Category:1420s in Mexico, though it had been through various named world renowned and smaller indigenous civilizations, then the colonial era as New Spain under the Crown of Castile in 1521, before officially named Mexico with independence in 1821.
 * Category:Decades in Russia goes back to Category:1110s in Russia, though not known by that then and through many name changes since, it has only been called Russia (with various adjuncts) since 1547. Over the centuries before and since, through all its governance systems, and gains and losses of empire/iron curtain territories in Asia, Europe, and western North America, all 'by year/decade/century categories use the geographic Russia term. Even through the period named the Soviet Union, except for Category:1940s in the Soviet Union, it's still Russia by decade/year from the 1917 to 1991 existence of the USSR.
 * Category:Decades in the United States goes back to the Category:1700s in the United States, so that one can cross-compare the colonizing events and impacts on Native Americans by Great Britain, France, Russia, and Spain (and others), and evolving American expansionism, upon what became the present day U.S. section of the continent.
 * Oppose changing to [:Category:1760s in Alta California]. Alta California is only a historically accurate name for the latter Spanish colonial period 1804—1821, and Mexican period 1821—1846. However, physical Spanish colonial presence began in 1769. Furthermore, their presence ended in the northern S.F. Bay Area, with colonial Russians active from 1812 to 1842 just up the coast, who did not use the Spanish name.
 * Oppose changing to Category:1760s in New Spain . New Spain included the Caribbean Spanish West Indies and Asian Spanish East Indies. The 1760s (through the 1820s) in geographic California need a less globally sprawled decade category than [Category:1760s in New Spain] to be findable by the average wikipedia reader.— Look2See1  t a l k →  05:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1770s in California

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1770s in California to Category:1770s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in this time. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1770's in Mexico, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1770's in Alta California Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to 1770s in New Spain.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:1770s in New Spain. There is not enough content for this to be split. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1770s in California — Please see my full response under the "Category:1760s in California" section above, for this and all other Category:Decades in California nominated here, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade has [Wikimedia Category:California in the 1770s], providing simple access between images and en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of pre-statehood California within their domaines, such as Category:Decades in Spain, Category:Decades in Russia, Category:Decades in Mexico, and Category:Decades in the United States to see the strong precedent.— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:07, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1780s in California

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:29, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1780s in California to Category:1780s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in this time. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1780's in Mexico, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1780's in Alta California Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:1780s in New Spain. There is not enough content for this to be split. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1780s in California — Please see my full response under the "Category:1760s in California" section above, for this and all other Category:Decades in California nominated here, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade has [Wikimedia Category:California in the 1780s], providing simple access between images and en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of pre-statehood California within their domaines, such as Category:Decades in Spain, Category:Decades in Russia, Category:Decades in Mexico, and Category:Decades in the United States to see the strong precedent.— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:08, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1790s in California

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:29, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1790s in California to Category:1790s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in this time. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1790's in Mexico, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1790's in Alta California Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to 1790s in New Spain. There is no reason to subdivide to this level.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:1790s in New Spain. There is not enough content for this to be split. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1790s in California — Please see my full response under the "Category:1760s in California" section above, for this and all other Category:Decades in California nominated here, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade has [Wikimedia Category:California in the 1790s], providing simple access between images and en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of pre-statehood California within their domaines, such as Category:Decades in Spain, Category:Decades in Russia, Category:Decades in Mexico, and Category:Decades in the United States to see the strong precedent.— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:09, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1830s in California

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus after 2 months. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1830s in California to Category:1830s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in this time. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1830's in Mexico, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1830's in Alta California. [ Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:1830s in Mexico. Until we subdivide for all states of Mexico in the 1830s, just subdividing for California should not be done.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:1830s in Mexico. There is not enough content for this to be split. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:38, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1830s in California — Please see my full response under the "Category:1760s in California" section above, for this and all other Category:Decades in California nominated here, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade has [Wikimedia Category:California in the 1830s], providing simple access between images and en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of pre-statehood California within their domaines, such as Category:Decades in Spain, Category:Decades in Russia, Category:Decades in Mexico, and Category:Decades in the United States to see the strong precedent.— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:10, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1820s in California

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus after 2 months. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1820s in California to Category:1820s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in this time. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1820's in Spain, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1820's in Alta California. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:18, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to 1820s in Mexico. Subdividing for just one state makes no sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1820s in California — Please see my full response under the "Category:1760s in California" section above, for this and all other Category:Decades in California nominated here, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade has Wikimedia Category:California in the 1820s, providing simple access between images and en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of pre-statehood California within their domaines, such as Category:Decades in Spain, Category:Decades in Russia, Category:Decades in Mexico, and Category:Decades in the United States to see the strong precedent.— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1810s in California

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus after 2 months. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1810s in California to Category:1810s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: :Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in this period. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1810's in Spain, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1810's in Alta California. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:18, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:1810s in New Spain.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:1810s in New Spain. There is not enough content for this to be split. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1810s in California — Please see my full response under the "Category:1760s in California" section above, for this and all other Category:Decades in California nominated here, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade has Wikimedia Category:California in the 1810s, providing simple access between images and en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of pre-statehood California within their domaines, such as Category:Decades in Spain, Category:Decades in Russia, Category:Decades in Mexico, and Category:Decades in the United States to see the strong precedent.— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1800s in California

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus after 2 months. Maybe there is a solution here, but from reading these discussions, I'm not seeing it.  Is the solution a detailed category structure under Foo1 and the tree included under Foo2 as a subcategory at a high level? I have not closed this earlier, and no one has picked up the ball, since I expressed a preference in some earlier discussions. However I don't see how this close shows any bias based on those previous opinions. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:33, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1800s in California to Category:1800s in Alta California
 * Nominator's rationale: The state of california did not exist in 1804. it was part of Alta California, a different political entity. we dont have Category:1775 in the United States for the same reason. We should either consider merging with 1800's in Spain, or if there are enough articles, create categories for 1800's in Alta California. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the open RFC on this general topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:1800s in New Spain. This level of subdivision makes no sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:35, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge (or rather rename) to Category:1800s in New Spain. There is not enough content for this to be split. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment from nominator i think i missed the New Spain category tree, that would make sense for a lot of these to be upmerged to.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:1800s in California — Please see my full response under the "Category:1760s in California" section above, for this and all other Category:Decades in California nominated here, whether in the 18th century or 19th century (preceding statehood). In addition, the Wikimedia Category:California by decade has Wikimedia Category:California in the 1800s, providing simple access between images and en. text material.
 * Oppose deleting — California is used as a geographic place name for diverse studies, beyond a geopolitical name. In addition, there is much precedent in Wikipedia for [Cat:"Geographic subdivision's present name" by decade]; by year]; by century] being used far preceding its literal and geopolitical establishment. One can look just at those 'countries' who claimed a part of pre-statehood California within their domaines, such as Category:Decades in Spain, Category:Decades in Russia, Category:Decades in Mexico, and Category:Decades in the United States to see the strong precedent.— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:17, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I essentially agree with Look2See1 on this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Theatrical tours

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Theatrical tours to Category:Touring theatre
 * Nominator's rationale: At present, this category is limited to "theatrical shows created especially to go on tour." I recommend that the article be renamed to match the Touring theatre article and therefore be expanded to include entries such as touring theatre companies (ex. Y Touring Theatre Company) and individual theatre tours (ex. 2012 tour of She Has a Name). Neelix (talk) 18:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Cities in Ulster County, New York

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cities in ulster county, new york


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. WP:SMALLCAT There is only one city (Kingston) in Ulster County. There are not likely to be any more for a while. Daniel Case (talk) 15:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * keep This category is part of two different series (Category:Cities in New York by county and Category:Cities in the New York metropolitan area by county) and, as such, is an exception to the small category rule. Hmains (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That assumes that Kingston is validly categorized as a "city in the New York metropolitan area". I dispute that. it's too far away from the city to be a realistic commute; as such Ulster residents do not have to pay the extra sales tax to support mass transit that Orange and Dutchess residents pay. Ulster residents also have to pay extra for their copies of the New York Times. Once we eliminate one of the categories, I do not see that subcategorization scheme exceptional as applying. Daniel Case (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * New York Metropolitan Area shows that this area is defined by counties in the area and this Ulster County is included. It does not pick and choose among cities or other sub-county entities.  And only 1 series category is needed to keep all subcats within it. Hmains (talk) 04:44, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I would accept it as a valid category if all uses of "New York metropolitan area" in the category trees were renamed to "Bridgeport–New York–Newark NY–NJ–CT–PA Combined Statistical Area", which is a purely objective definition using counties. Daniel Case (talk) 01:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Populated places in Ulster County, New York and Category:Cities in New York. There is no reason to keep a category that can not expand above 1 article short of action to create more cities in Ulster County.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:07, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per JPL, and include it in Category:Cities in the New York metropolitan area too — Ulster County is officially in the metro area, so it belongs there regardless of what county residents pay in taxes and newspaper subscriptions. At the same time, it's never going to get more than one entry unless the legal status of one or more places should change, and keeping on the grounds of "it might change in the future" would go against our not-a-crystal-ball standards.  Nyttend (talk) 03:35, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per the WP:SMALLCAT exemption. "Cities by county" is an established categorisation scheme; see for instance Category:Cities in Florida by county, Category:Cities in California by county. Just because the category tree is as of yet incomplete does not mean we should demolish it as it's being built. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Lobbyists funded by foreign governments that seek to influence the American government

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lobbyists funded by foreign governments that seek to influence the american government


 * Nominator's rationale: created by sockpuppet Special:Contributions/I.Casaubon for probable POV reasons; nearly duplicate to Category:Foreign policy lobbying organizations in the United States User:Carolmooredc  13:59, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * If kept, rename toCategory:Lobbyists in United States funded from abroad, which is far more succinct. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:42, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Abroad could mean private or government funding - or both. So basically meaningless. User:Carolmooredc  18:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a POV pushing title if I have ever seen one. How much of the funding does the lobbyist need from a foreign government, what percentage, and how many stages can the funding go through before it no longer counts. This is just too complex to categorize by.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:09, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Busia District, Kenya

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Busia District, Kenya to Category:Busia County
 * Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The main article of the category is Busia County, but if that is deemed ambigous, than I'm not opposed to either. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Category:Busia District, Kenya to Category:Busia County – C2C/C2D --BDD (talk) 16:28, 17 July 2013‎ (UTC)
 * Oppose rename of Category:Busia District, Kenya. Dab is needed because there are Busia, Kenya and Busia, Uganda. Support the others. Oculi (talk) 13:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Even if we want to disambiguate it, it could at least be Category:Busia County, Kenya... despite there not being another Busia County anywhere. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Busia County, Kenya, to avoid confusion. Oculi (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename as nominated to match Busia County. There is not another "Busia County" anywhere. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Busia County, Kenya. The fact that the adjacent area in Uganda is also named Busia, and is a district and thus sort of like a county, could lead to confusion and is reason to specify this is in Kenya.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:07, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed. John Pack, if districts are "sort of like a county," there's no end to the number of categories we'd need to rename to address phantom confusion. --BDD (talk) 18:48, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom to match the article name. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1967 establishments in Tanganyika

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1967 establishments in Tanganyika to Category:1967 establishments in Tanzania
 * Nominator's rationale: Tanganyika became Tanzania in 1964 Tim! (talk) 07:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Support rename; this is a simple matter of accuracy. Just as an aside, there's a format issue in this page somewhere, all the discussion sections are one off from where they should be - I clicked on the edit button for Light armored vehicle below to get here. MSJapan (talk) 14:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support as per Tim!. Gott
 * rename --Dirk Beetstra T  C 07:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * REname -- obviously right. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:43, 24 July 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Light armored vehicle

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 06:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Light armoured fighting vehicle to Category:Light armoured fighting vehicles
 * Propose renaming Category:Light armored vehicle to Category:Light armoured vehicles
 * Propose renaming Category:Light armored reconnaissance vehicles to Category:Light armoured reconnaissance vehicles
 * Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The first two categories need pluralization, and the last two categories' spelling should be made consistent with the main category of the tree (. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Category:Light armoured fighting vehicle to Category:Light armored fighting vehicles – C2C: Plural; also to standardise spelling "armored" (cf. Category:Light armored reconnaissance vehicles)  Super Mario  Man  20:40, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Category:Light armored vehicle to Category:Light armored vehicles – C2A.  Super Mario  Man  20:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose above 2 as proposed. Both are a subcategory of, and therefore they should be renamed to Category:Light armoured fighting vehicles and Category:Light armoured vehicles respectively. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose speedy rename any ENGVAR rename should be handled at a full CFD, not a technical. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:48, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename all This is an ENGVAR issue. Unless they are specifically North American categories,they should match the parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename (per nom, and then CFD again later) or Delete these unnecessary categories now. We already have Category:Armoured cars, Category:Military light utility vehicles, Category:Wheeled armoured personnel carriers and many others. Categorizing by level of armour isn't really workable as (1) many vehicles come in variants with different levels of armour, (2) many vehicles are armoured in parts (e.g. underneath against mines), (3) for many (old or new) vehicles we may not know what level of STANAG 4579 the armour is. It's better to categorize by broader classes of vehicle (truck, APC, IFV, tank etc) combined with country-of-origin and period - that way it's much easier to find things. DexDor (talk) 20:46, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


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Virginia Beach Mariners

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 06:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hampton Roads Mariners players to Category:Virginia Beach Mariners players
 * Propose merging Category:Virginia Beach Mariners (USL A-League) players to Category:Virginia Beach Mariners players
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. per WP:OVERCAT. – Michael (talk) 00:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * rename Alumni of merged or renamed colleges are deemed to be alumni of successors. The principle shole apply to sports teams.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, it applies only for association football/soccer. – Michael (talk) 17:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge we only have one article on this team, showing that it is unified enough to be considered one unit.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


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