Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 June 2



Category:John Seward Johnson II

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting john seward johnson ii


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete as over-categorization per WP:OC. Only the main article and a single subcat. Tassedethe (talk) 23:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete not a needed category. If we allow it to stand, we will attract unwanted clutter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:07, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:07, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per Lenticel. Steam5 (talk) 04:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Jerash Private University

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete for now. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jerash private university


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. No need for a category to hold a single article (Jerash Private University). Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Tassedethe (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I would have thought that it ought to be possible to populate this. Perhaps, the problem is that articles have not been written on notable members of the faculty staff.  This may be becasuee this is presumably not an English-medium university.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Not even the creation of Category:Jerash Private University faculty would necessitate the existence of this category. Deletion without prejudice to allow for possible future articles is entirely reasonable. Tassedethe (talk) 17:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Gaelic Athletic Association stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Gaelic Athletic Association stubs to Category:Gaelic games stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. This is a broader term. For example, the Gaelic Players Association is not really the GAA. The Ladies' Gaelic Football Association isn't really the GAA either. Yet all are associated with Gaelic games. It's also noticeably the odd one out in its category tree (see below). 86.40.97.145 (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Gaelic games has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Janice Levin Dancer Honorees

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting janice levin dancer honorees


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Delete as a non-defining award per WP:OC. This award "is bestowed annually on a promising young member of NYCB's corps de ballet". Awardees are listed at New York City Ballet. Tassedethe (talk) 18:22, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Perfectly appropriate for inclusion in an article, but inappropriate for categorizing people by receipt. Those who become notable enough to be in Wikipedia will likely have many awards, and be "defined by" almost none of them. --Lquilter (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This award is not even clearly notable, we do not have an article just on the award, which means it is not even close to being anywhere near the regular cut off for these categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Yet another unnecessarey awards category. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Arthurian locations

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arthurian locations


 * Nominator's rationale: Being mentioned in Arthurian legend is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of an article about a real place (e.g. London or Llys Halt railway station). There are a few articles in this category (e.g. Camelot and the list article) that could be upmerged to Category:Arthurian legend.  Alternatively, this category could be renamed to Category:Fictional Arthurian locations or Category:Mythological Arthurian locations and purged.  For information: "Category:Robin Hood locations" has been deleted. DexDor (talk) 17:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * A note has been left at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_King_Arthur. DexDor (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep What a strange proposal. Tintagel is a real place and it being associated with Arthurian legend is absolutely defining for it. Likewise Cadbury Castle and Glastonbury, etc. However, I do agree it is not defining for Llys Halt railway station or indeed for Rio de Janero. The solution is to avoid including such inappropriate places in the category, as has wisely been done even in the case of the railway station. Thincat (talk) 23:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What's Rio got to do with it ? There are currently several railway stations in this Arthurian category (see Category:Llanuwchllyn and WP:SUBCAT). DexDor (talk) 20:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I hadn't realised that Llys Halt railway station is in Category:Llanuwchllyn which is a subcategory of Category:Arthurian locations and therefore you are worried that the railway station is eventually categorised as an Arthurian location. I thought you were (rightly but flippantly) saying it shouldn't be in the Arthurian category. I was flippantly giving Rio as another inappropriate location. Surely the solution is to put Llanuwchllyn and not Category:Llanuwchllyn into Category:Arthurian locations. I have just now done this but please check because I am not familiar with these niceties. Thincat (talk) 08:35, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Per what Thincat said. It's no different from any of the other mythological place categories, and the Matter of Britain certainly qualifies as such. Kuralyov (talk) 00:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete How did London get included in this category? Some of these things are only maybe even referenced in Arthurian legend. This is a bad way to categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The category was added to London with this diff but I don't understand the edit summary "(+Category:Arthurian locations; +Category:Robin Hood locations using HotCat - Category:London was in those cats, which put a bunch of irrelevant cats into the Arthurian/Robin Hood cat tree)" . However, the cats have seem to come down out of the tree by now and Arthur seems to have missed out on Llys Halt. I don't understand the rest of your comments so I'll go off to bed because it's quite late. Thincat (talk) 23:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I now understand the edit which added the categories to London (see my reply to DexDor above). The editor at the same time removed Category:London from the legend categories (diff). However, it was probably a mistake to have London, let alone Category:London, in either category since they are not (to my mind) defining for London. Thincat (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete we don't categorize places by the mythology, fiction, or real books they show up in - the Bible excepted. Category:Gone with the Wind locations, Category:Greek mythology places, Category:Places mentioned by Ptolemy in The Geography, etc. too much clutter. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes we do, for real places in Category:Locations in fiction and for places that are not real in Category:Fictional locations and Category:Mythological places (the latter also contains real places such as Mount Olympus which figures prominently in Greek mythology). Thincat (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * BTW the Greek mythology category you were looking for is Category:Locations in Greek mythology. Thincat (talk) 08:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - We ought not categorize things by reference within fictional schema or mythologies. Those are infinite, and non-defining to real-world places. I'd also like to note that the "Arthurian" cycle has become so broadly adapted that it includes locations in space as well as in the US and Asia.  --Lquilter (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Er, citation needed, I think. It is certainly defining for Tintagel, where Arthur-related stuff keeps the local economy going, and a few other places. Johnbod (talk) 23:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Patricia Kenneally Morrison's Arthur-in-Space books. I was also told Stargate did Arthurian stuff?  I'll get back to you on the Japanese stuff.  As for US -- JFK, of course!  ... Anyway, I'm not saying that Tintagel or Camelot or Avalon shouldn't all be listed as places associated with Arthuriana.  I'm just saying that X by association with Y is not a good model for categories, and it's not any better when "Y" is a particularly popular and well-known story cycle. --Lquilter (talk) 01:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep But prune drastically and sub-divide. Distinguish and split between purely fictional places like Avalon (there are enough of these for a category), places much later associated with Arthur by canny businesspeople (like King Arthur's Hall, Tintagel) and places that have some claim to be those mentioned in major pre-modern versions of the cycle. Johnbod (talk) 23:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is not about modern fiction. Arthurian literature goes back the best part of 1000 years.  Some of the places such as Mount Badon and Camelot barely have an existence outside the legends, as their actual location is uncertain.  If deleting, please Listify in Sites and places associated with Arthurian legend, so far as not already there.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Mount Badon is a redirect to Battle of Badon and neither are in the category being discussed here. My nom suggested that the Camelot article be kept in the Arthurian category tree. For info: I'm trying to remove category clutter from articles like London and Bodmin Moor (before this type of category spreads - e.g. "James Bond locations"); I'd see no problem with a category like "Fictional locations in Arthurian legend" (e.g. a rename+purge). DexDor (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but what about the locations that are not fictional or mythological but are real places, and for which Arthurian association is defining. Please find time to consider at least one article, Tintagel which has been mentioned four times above. Thincat (talk) 14:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Battle of Badon is in Category:Battles involving King Arthur which is a subcategory of the one you are nominating for deletion. What has been your proposal for this situation? Thincat (talk) 14:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Deleting Category:Arthurian locations would leave Battle of Badon in Category:Battles involving King Arthur and hence in Category:Arthurian legend so I really don't see the relevance to this discussion. DexDor (talk) 21:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


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Category:JFK Olimps Rīga

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep but rename to . Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:JFK Olimps Rīga to Category:Football clubs in Riga
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. No need for a category to hold a single article JFK Olimps. Upmerge to parent. Tassedethe (talk) 16:12, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 06:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose deletion purely because there is scope for expansion - I have, for example, just created and  which I am about to populate. However, I will suggest a move to  to match the name of the main article. GiantSnowman 08:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - while we don't need categories for one article, the category has now been expanded to a reasonable scope by GiantSnowman. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:27, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This concerns a club in the top national league, so that a category ought to be needed. But rename to match main article (or vice versa).  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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Category:Books divided into chapters and verses

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting books divided into chapters and verses


 * Nominator's rationale: Questionable if this is a defining characteristic. Would include the vast majority of books ever published. Editor2020 (talk) 03:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete not defining. One could try a list, but even a list may not be notable. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 05:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not defining. List would also not meet threshold for inclusion. Neutralitytalk 22:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, and re-title. I created the category to classify written anthologies which contain both chapters and verses. Contrary to rationale, would include only a minority of books ever published because most book-long publications do not contain verses identifying roughly-sentence-long passages (i.e. Hebrew and Christian Bibles, Book of Mormon, Quran, etc.) for easy citation. --RayneVanDunem (talk) 08:00, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * All sorts of legal documents could be thus classified. --Lquilter (talk) 12:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Not really defining. Also, it is arguably misapplied. A-The Doctrine and Covenants which is in this category, does not have chapters at all. B-Does it really make sense to put the Bible or the Book of Mormon here, when the main division of these books is into books, not into chapters and verses?John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment On the other hand, I am guessing a lot of works of poetry could be included in this category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete not defining; I cannot imaging walking into a book store and inquiring whether they have a book divided into chapters and verse or one that isn't without laughing at the the quizzical look on the salesperson's face the inquiry would cause. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - What? No.  We can't start classifying works according to the various internal schema that might be applied to them.  --Lquilter (talk) 01:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment When first published the Book of Mormon did not have verses, so this categorization does not apply to all editions of it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:06, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Free first-person shooters

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Free first-person shooters to Category:Open-source shooter video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Nearly everything in here is also in the target category, having had at least part of it released as part of a free and open source release. This follows up my close of this nomination, where the confusing "free" part was removed.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom and per precedent.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


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