Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 March 27



Category:Foreign relations of the Republic of China

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  Wizardman  15:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign relations of the Republic of China to Category:Foreign relations of Taiwan
 * Propose renaming Category:Bilateral relations of the Republic of China to Category:Bilateral relations of Taiwan
 * Nominator's rationale: The corresponding main article has been moved to Foreign relations of Taiwan from the consensus in Talk:Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan/Archive_1.68.181.3.62 (talk) 20:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

*Split into new names and another section to cover 1912-1949 Republic of China.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment The scope of the category is not the same as the scope of the article, as it and its subcategories includes pre-1949 topics such as Shandong Problem, Cai Gongshi, or Sino-German cooperation until 1941. Should these be carved out to Foreign relations of the Republic of China (1912-1949) or some such? -64.125.143.140 (talk) 23:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Split into new names and Category:X relations of the Republic of China (1912-1949) per JPL. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 05:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Split per JPL. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename there is other categories named Category:Foreign relations of China and Category:Bilateral relations of China those problem articles can be relocated in these categories.68.181.1.70 (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep temporarily This and all sub-categories are hybrid categories that need to be split into a 1912-49 category and a Taiwan category befor this can be implemented, as there is a lot of aminaland material in the category and sub-categories. The consensus is that WP should treat the Nationalist mainland republic as distinct from the present Taiwan.  The best course will be to create the requisite sub-cats annd move all content to them.  After that the present category can be deleted or upmerged.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:50, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I just noticed that the categories are not tagged. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:24, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Foreign relations has already been renamed. Rename Bilateral relations. All the articles have been specifically renamed in this group RM discussion with the following closing comment ::Some editors still opposed the move of individual articles where the main topic might be relations between certain countries and pre-1949 China, the one where ROC was still in power on the mainland. On the other hand, User:BDD has argued that our article on Germany–United States relations is expected to cover the whole succession of governments of Germany in one article. Those who want special coverage of pre-1949 relations seem like they would require a split of every current article which contains any mention of the pre-1949 period. That would go against the consistency argument which seems to be widely held by those commenting here. There was also a very weighty (and hotly contested) move discussion in February 2012 where Republic of China was moved to Taiwan. The logic of that move might suggest that the 'relations' articles would be expected to move as well, which is the topic of the current discussion. The default for categories should be the modern name and there's very little exclusive pre 1949 stuff in them anyway. It's time we stopped heel dragging in this area. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Looking at the Japanese sub-category, some of its contents are specifically about Japan and the island of Taiwain as a possession of Japan, and have no relationship to the republic of China at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Accounting in Portugal

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Accounting in Portugal to Category:Accounting by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Uperge. Used to contain one article about one of the professional bodies, but I have moved it to Accounting in Portugal, so the country category is no longer needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:35, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Question. Is anything hurt by keeping the series category with one article? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, and the deletion would be without prejudice to re-creation if the article gets re-split to pages on the 2 professional bodies or Category:Portuguese accountants gets created. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. It might be needed in future and there are several other "accounting in" categories which have only one entry. Biscuittin (talk) 23:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Fits the WP:SMALLCAT exemption as part of an established "Foo by country" category tree. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * keep as part of an established category tree pattern Hmains (talk) 03:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SMALLCAT as part of an established series. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:13, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, withdrawn by nominator. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Tractor aircraft

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 * The result of the discussion was: nomination withdrawn. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Tractor aircraft to Category:Propeller aircraft
 * Nominator's rationale: The tractor configuration for an aircraft is not defining, due to its being, predominantly, the "standard" configuration for propeller-driven aircraft, and overwhelmingly the standard configuration for propeller-driven multiengine aircraft. The pusher configuration is notable and defining (and is properly categorised), but it is WP:OC to have this category seperate from "propeller aircraft", where it can be assumed to be the case unless otherwise noted (as Tractor configuration notes, "Today, propeller-driven aircraft are assumed to be tractors unless it is stated otherwise."); it is the same as if, were we classifiying cars, we had Category:Front-engined automobiles - it's simply so "normal" that it isn't noteworthy in the least, vs. Category:Mid-engined automobiles and Category:Rear-engined automobiles, which are defined by their engine/configuration (and whose categories need population, but that's another matter) . The Bushranger One ping only 02:35, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * delete Properly populating this category would empty its parent. This is so overwhelmingly the normal case that there's no need to subcat it. Mangoe (talk) 12:38, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see the problem in emptying the parent category, and making it a container category for subcategories, and concept articles. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd wager most people, upon seeing the term "tractor aircraft", would think it was some sort of agricultural aircraft terminology. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:18, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * you could call it Category:Tractor-configuration aircraft if you wanted to avoid that. (or with airplane tugs (pushbacks); though Pusher aircraft also has that problem ) I don'g see how someone could think an AG could be used as a farm tractor though. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * keep and fully populate with Category:Propeller aircraft becoming a container category. Aircraft are not just Tractor or Pusher but can belong to one of the other subcats instead.  Hmains (talk) 03:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * After considering this some more, I'll withdraw this nomination, because Hmains is right - it makes more sense to "complete the set", especially as it appears on pages ("single-engine aircraft"+"tractor aircraft" is more useful than "single-engine aircraft"+"propeller aircraft"). - The Bushranger One ping only 06:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


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