Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 May 16



Category:Harlem, New York

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Harlem, New York to Category:Harlem
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Harlem, New York to Category:People from Harlem
 * Propose renaming Category:Harlem, New York in fiction to Category:Harlem in fiction
 * Propose renaming Category:Films set in Harlem, New York to Category:Films set in Harlem
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article at Harlem. This isn't even a city which might take the form of {City, State}, it's a neighborhood within a city, so this name is misleading. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose There are other Harlems. We need more disambiguation in category names than article names.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per nom; main article is at Harlem. Not sure about JPL's claim of other Harlems, certainly there is a Haarlem in the Netherlands, but spelled differently; even if there is another Harlem, none is as notable as this one.... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose There are indeed other Harlems; see Harlem (disambiguation). It seems to me that Category:Harlem, New York is entirely clear and that Category:Harlem is not. Oculi (talk) 11:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename no need for unnecessary disambiguation. Harlem is well known enough to not need disambiguating just to align with a bad convention. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Renames Mainspace is rather clear, and a search of articles shows no other article that could cause any confusion, not even for the Harlem Globetrotters. Maintaining consistency between the titles of articles and their associated categories reduces confusion for editors and readers. Alansohn (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename as above. Neutralitytalk 01:28, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- The precedent for this is Birmingham, whose categories are at Category:Birmingham, West Midlands, to keep away those for Category:Birmingham, Alabama. There is no objection to the article being at Harlem, but the category is likely to pick up irrelevant articles, if renamed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The Birmingham / Birmingham, Alabama example covers two very large cities that share a common name and has no relevance here. Harlem (disambiguation) describes itty-bitty places in California, Florida, Georgia and Montana, none of which have categories associated with them or are ever likely to have any that might be confused with the New York City neighborhood. There is no other Harlem that would cause any confusion. Alansohn (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Music from Top Gun

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (then delete). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Music from Top Gun to Category:Top Gun
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Suggest upmerge. There's no need to categorize by a "Music from [film]" scheme that is otherwise non-existent (a few "Music based on" categories is all I see). Otherwise, we should have these type of categories for every film that has a separate article for its soundtrack. The Top Gun "franchise" is just not that deep enough. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Several other "Songs from [film]" and "Music from [film]" categories have been deleted and there is no scheme for categorizing music by film. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * delete we have consistently rejected this type of category, for good reason. Mangoe (talk) 21:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no reason to have this as a one entry category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete performer by performance cat. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge, not delete, to . I do hope the closing admin will take the "delete" !votes as "merge" rather than "destroy navigational links". I simply do not understand why experienced editors write "delete" which would mean taking Top Gun (soundtrack) and Category:Songs from Top Gun out of . I've added a link from the sub-cat to the soundtrack article, which suffices for navigation instead of this intermediate category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:15, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Upmerge There is no reason for the category exist, but no reason for the article(s) currently in it not to be in Category:Top Gun. -Rrius (talk) 03:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge back to Category:Top Gun. There is not enough content to have this one.  I suppose 5 songs is aboiut enough to keep the somngs category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


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Devon & Cornwall

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to creation of discussed public transport categories when/if needed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Public transport in Devon & Cornwall to Category:Public transport in Devon and Category:Public transport in Cornwall
 * Nominator's rationale: Although neighboring counties I think this would work better as two separate categories. Tim! (talk) 05:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as it would not be useful to have a "public transport" layer either in the regions of Category:Transport in England by region or by county; nor does Category:Public transport in England need sub-dividing by county or region. The current contents do not need to be upmerged, as they are already in other appropriate categories. As a poor alternative, rename as Category:Public transport in South West England to match other parent Category:Transport in South West England. All four of the current entries would belong in a "Devon" category and only one in "Cornwall". – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Split -- The easy way to do this will be to Rename to Category:Public transport in Devon and then create Category:Public transport in Cornwall as a second category for First in Devon & Cornwall. I presume the category was created for that article.  Since the mass cull of bus route articles, these should be rather smaller categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Category:Multi-state American serial killers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Upmerge Category:Multi-state American serial killers to Category:American serial killers.
 * Nominator's rationale This is the only multi-state category we have for people. This is just not how we categorize people.  The category is not really large enough to need break down.  We do not need to break everything apart into gender and ethnicity categories.  The general way we do things is we categorize people by each state they did something in.  I do not think we have enough to split by state (with only around 200, that would average 4 per state, assuming none are DC or other non-states), so I think we should just stop trying to split the category.  It is a striaght forward category that does not need splitting, especially not in a new, untried way.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * delete Some of this is people driving long distances, and some of it is just accidents of geography. I would agree that the meaningfulness of this division is minimal. Mangoe (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * hmm see this for example: . It seems when there is a multi-state case, different entities like the FBI become involved, and the investigation becomes more complex. I'm not sure if this is defining however, but the term does show up in google searches.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did consider that, but I don't think "Serial killers sought by the FBI" was where this was headed. Mangoe (talk) 15:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep It is not just about the particular state where one's murderous operations are. It is about the effects of one's murderous rampage crossing state lines. When a murderer kills multiple times in different states, they must be tried in different states as well. In some cases, it is known they have killed in different states, and as someone mention, the FBI gets involved in the manhunt. In other cases, it is not initially known one killed in separate states and it gets interesting when this is discovered. I could see there being a category of people who murdered in multiple states. Hellno2 (talk) 02:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete not defining. Neutralitytalk 01:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete and upmerge. Unconventional categorization. I can see benefit in putting these people in categories "by state" based on where each serial killer committed their murders (with some killers in several states), but until those "by state" categories are developed, the multi-state killers and the single-state killers can all be together in the "American" category. --Orlady (talk) 02:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * merge up per orlady. I'm not convinced this is needed. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 02:43, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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Category:Lords Justice of Appeal

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lords Justice of Appeal to Category:Lords Justices of Appeal
 * Nominator's rationale: The double plural is the most common version and is used for the related articles' titles. It is also the version used by the judiciary itself, and the one mostly used by the Government (which occasionally uses "Lord Justices", not "Lords Justice"). Rrius (talk) 03:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, appears to be the correct plural Tim! (talk) 05:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per the above and other sources such as the judiciary's website, an 1881 Act of Parliament etc. BencherliteTalk 23:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename -- correct plural. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:15, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


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