Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 May 9



Category:Ritsuko Okazaki

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 14:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ritsuko okazaki


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. An eponymous category for one article (besides the main category) doesn't seem to cut it per WP:OC -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:51, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Up till now, only one of her works has received an article of its own. While there is scope for expansion, the category in its present status is nearly empty. Dimadick (talk) 22:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:HVAC manufacturing companies

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:12, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:HVAC manufacturing companies to Category:Heating, ventilating, and air conditioning companies
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per WP:NCCAT. Beagel (talk) 20:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * For what its worth the most related article is HVAC.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The main category for this category is category:Heating, ventilating, and air conditioning. It was renamed for its current title per this discussion. It also seems that the title HVAC is not in line with WP:TITLE, so I will request for WP:RM. Beagel (talk) 17:01, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * comment shouldn't it be category:Heating, ventilation, or air conditioning companies ? The intersection set specified by "and" would exclude companies that don't do all three, it should be the "or" set instead; and I don't see why you'd use "ventilating" instead of "ventilation" -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The proposal bases on the name of the parent category which is category:Heating, ventilating, and air conditioning. Beagel (talk) 17:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you ever heard of a ventilating company? Or do you hear it as a ventilation company? It sounds like a company of assassins that go about ventilating people. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My proposal based directly on the name of the parent category, that means that both categories, parent and child, should have the same name. It seems that probably renaming of the category:Heating, ventilating, and air conditioning to category:Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning is needed. Beagel (talk) 11:33, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support for consistency in the tree. - The Bushranger One ping only 14:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless the main article is renamed from HVAC. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:18, 29 May 2013 (UTC) (note moved by closer from another discussion)


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Category:Cuisine of Detroit, Michigan

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 14:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cuisine of detroit, michigan


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Following the previous discussions summed up at Cuisine of Lancaster, if you remove stores, companies and brands this is what remains. I guess the restaurant category can be removed from these since consensus seems to be that they are not cuisine.  The basis for this tree seems to be the intersection of food and culture which has been pointed out is not cuisine. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete not enough for a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Perhaps Category:Food culture of Detroit, Michigan will be an appropriate category at some point in the future, but Category:Cuisine of Detroit, Michigan is too specific and too unpopulated with appropriately defined items. --Lquilter (talk) 03:34, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * delete I'm not sure what was in there before, but for now as a cat this doesn't seem to hold up - only one authentic thing, which is the pizza article. A cat for a single article goes too far. Just make sure the restaurants is appropriately parented. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Mountains of West Bengal

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn; hills manually split out by nom per discussion below. The Bushranger One ping only 14:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mountains of West Bengal to Category:Mountains and hills of West Bengal
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename In West Bengal there are few mountains, but have numerous hills. In order to avoid over-categorisation or miscategorisation, I propose that this category be renamed. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  15:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Instead just split out the hills into Category:Hills of West Bengal which would fit into Category:Hills of India.  There is no reason to simply combine the two different landforms.  If the nominator agrees, the nomination can simply be withdrawn. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Split as suggested by Vegaswikian.Shyamsunder (talk) 11:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn. The nominator is withdrawing based on Vegaswikian reasoning. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  11:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


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Placenames → Place names

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 * The result of the discussion was: re name. The Bushranger One ping only 15:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming the following:
 * Category:Redirects from London placenames to Category:Redirects from London place names
 * Category:Latin place-names to Category:Latin place names
 * Category:Chinook Jargon placenames to Category:Chinook Jargon place names
 * Category:Places and placenames on Mar Lodge Estate to Category:Places and place names on Mar Lodge Estate
 * Category:Australian Aboriginal placenames to Category:Australian Aboriginal place names
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Excluding its use as an adjective (in "Foo placename etymologies"), all but these five categories use "place names". Grutness...wha?  09:52, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support good grammar. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Airport Fire and Rescue Services in the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting airport fire and rescue services in the united kingdom


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. it really has one item which is currently up for deletion Articles for deletion/Exeter International Airport Fire and Rescue Service. it seems a redundant category. LibStar (talk) 07:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * the Exeter fire service article has now been deleted. LibStar (talk) 03:57, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Culture heroes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:08, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting culture heroes


 * Nominator's rationale: A category that includes articles on subjects as diverse as Napoleon and Red Horn (Siouan deity) isn't categorizing by a defining characteristic of the subject. I've checked a sample of the bio articles in this category and all those I checked are in other (more defining) categories - often in many other cats (e.g. see Saint Sava). The list article and the eponymous article should be upmerged. For information: There is a list article. DexDor (talk) 05:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * then go and post an AfD for List of culture heroes. As long as this list is uncontested, if follows that the category is uncontested. We certainly don't need a list article for each category, but there can certainly be a category for every concept deemed suitable for a full list article. Just because people miscategorize articles doesn't mean that the categories themselves are to blame. This is a matter for cleanup, not deletion. Obviously only subjects for which it has been established based on decent evidence that they "have beend described in terms of being a 'culture hero'" need to be considered. If somebody wants to argue Napoleon is a "culture hero", let them produce decent evidence first. In the case of Napoleon perhaps in a sub-article on "legacy of Napoleon" or something. As it stands, the string "culture hero" simply doesn't occur on Napoleon's article, so you are free to just remove the page from the "culture hero" category without further discussion. I find it difficult to understand how somebody could conclude that such an obvious content issue should lead to a category deletion debate. --dab (𒁳) 07:47, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The definition in the Culture hero article is "a mythological hero specific to some group ...". That it's specific to some group indicates that it's not a WP:DEFINING characteristic ("reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define"). The list article contains lists of those considered to be cultural heroes in specific mythologies - that's OK. DexDor (talk) 19:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep but brutally purge, and while we're at it a bit of WP:TNT applied to List of culture heroes wouldn't hurt either. Culture hero has a clearly defined meaning, but it's obvious that the people making these lists and categorizations don't understand it or don't know it and just take it as a synonym for hero, which it is not. Mangoe (talk) 16:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not a definable trait, and not really categorizable by either.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * About the definition Let's roll that definition again: "A culture hero is a mythological hero [...] who changes the world through invention or discovery." It's as opposed to someone who does mighty deeds of battle or who is a prophetic figure, as the rest of the first graf goes on to explain. The problem is obvious: hardly anyone, and this appears to include most people responding here, has read that second half of the first sentence. I'm pretty sure that if one read the literature in the field, it would actually talk about certain figures being culture heroes. Mangoe (talk) 01:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is way, way too vague and overbroad. There can be a gajillion "concepts" about people: "Heroes to youth", "Invention heroes", and so forth. People are defined by their own accomplishments & biography, not by arbitrary concepts applied to them after the fact.  An article on culture hero with appropriate examples is the way to go here.  --Lquilter (talk) 03:33, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete hopelessly subjective. Someone's hero is someone else's scumbag. Napoleon is a good example: some of the Nostradamus interpreters find him to be one of the Antichrists alluded to by Nostradamus - hardly hero material. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose that a sure sign of the hopelessness of this category is that people keep bringing up Napoleon ''when he plainly does not fit the definition! Mangoe (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But he was put in there, which shows people who actually apply the category do not understand what it really "means", which suggests in common use it does not mean what our article claims it means.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe that the commonly used phrase is "cultural hero"; I certainly had not come across this term before this nomination. I suppose it says something futile about the project when we have to delete a category because the average reader is incompetent to populate it. Mangoe (talk) 11:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1990s Western film stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: administrative close: the category was upmerged in this earlier discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1990s western film stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Empty category, not enough articles to populate it. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose at this point. Since the category was not being added by the template, we really don't know how many articles would be in there.  While the 2000s and 2010s categories were deleted, I did not see a discussion for this one after a quick look. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rename to, per . Same should be done with the rest of the stub tree. This category currently has about 20 members, and there seems to be quite some undersorting in its stub parents, so it may reach a reasonable level without much fuss. There's something fishy with this parent category though (someone has made a hell of a mess, by the looks of it). It has about 150 articles, but only 36 of them have one of the stub templates within the category transcluded to them. I note too that several of the articles in the category are marked with 1920s-Western-film-stub, and are in there as well as in the decade-specific category. According to the template, that 1920s category has 11 articles - yet there are 112 listed in the category. This may require some investigation before anything is done as far as deleting or keeping is concerned. Grutness...wha?  13:39, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with the renaming of the stub tree per Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 26, but this template was changed to feed into, because there are only 19 articles that currently use 1990s-Western-film-stub. The parent category only has 70 articles in it, and it appears that most of the articles in that category that are stubs have already been tagged , which is not enough to populate this category. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The large number of stubs in the parent was the reason I suspected there was undersorting - if that's not the case, the category certainly falls below the necessary threshold. Still doesn't explain why there are so many in the parent cat though. Server-lag strikes again, perhaps? Grutness...wha?  00:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Had. I see it's down to a more sensible 67 now. Grutness...wha?  00:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * if kept rename to include "(genre)" since this isn't western civilization films -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Because everyone is confused by that....  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:58, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if there was no cause for confusion, the rest of the categories wouldn't have been like that, and the top-level would never have been called . Grutness...wha?  00:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Because you live in the West, but the English Wikipedia isn't the Western Wikipedia. Hell, there are even University courses that study western film not meaning cowboys, but meaning Western Civilization. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:25, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename with the (genre) parenthetical.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Update I performed null edits on all the articles in, so that they would populate into the proper categories, and there are still only 23 articles in . I agree that the stub categories should probably be renamed, but there's no need to rename this category, if the category is unnecessary. Fortdj33 (talk) 07:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


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Category:1980s Western film stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: administrative close: the category was upmerged in this earlier discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1980s western film stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Empty category, not enough articles to populate it. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:04, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose at this point. Since the category was not being added by the template, we really don't know how many articles would be in there.  While the 2000s and 2010s categories were deleted, I did not see a discussion for this one with a quick look. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment The template was changed to feed into, because there are only 17 articles that currently use 1980s-Western-film-stub. The parent category only has 45 articles in it, so even if all the articles in that category were stubs, it still wouldn't be enough to populate this category. Fortdj33 (talk) 13:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * if kept rename to include "(genre)", since this isn't about films of western civilization -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename with the (genre) parenthetical.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Update I performed null edits on all the articles in, so that they would populate into the proper categories, and there are still only 17 articles in . I agree that the stub categories should probably be renamed, but there's no need to rename this category, if the category is unnecessary. Fortdj33 (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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