Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 November 17



Category:Tropical cyclones by season

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Tropical cyclones by season to Category:Tropical cyclone seasons
 * Nominator's rationale: The proposed name better reflects the actual scope of this category, which serves as a head category for articles and topic categories about tropical cyclone seasons (e.g., Atlantic hurricane season and Category:2010 Atlantic hurricane season). The current title would be appropriate for set categories such as Category:Tropical cyclones of the 2010 Atlantic hurricane season. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:01, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Support -- The content is not "by season". Some subcategories may be, but the parent need not be.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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Category:Subscription or libraries using via for subscription

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy G7. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:42, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting subscription or libraries using via for subscription


 * Nominator's rationale: I created the category but I have changed my mind about the usefulness of the category to support a new template I created (Template:Subscription or libraries), I have edited the template to stop assigning pages to the category, the category has no subcategories, and apparently no one besides me has used the category. Nick Levinson (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Hurricane articles needing attention

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/upmerge as proposed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:26, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hurricane articles needing attention to Category:Tropical cyclone articles needing attention
 * Category:Hurricane articles needing a track map to Category:Tropical cyclone articles needing a track map
 * Category:Hurricane articles without infoboxes to Category:Tropical cyclone articles without infoboxes
 * Category:Incomplete hurricane templates to Category:Tropical cyclone articles with incomplete templates, or upmerge
 * Category:Incomplete hurricane infoboxes‎ to Category:Tropical cyclone articles with incomplete infoboxes
 * Nominator's rationale: The term "hurricane" is applied to tropical cyclones above a certain intensity and occuring in the North Atlantic and Northeast Pacific; the term "tropical cyclone" is more inclusive and better reflects the intended scope of these categories. In addition, these maintenance categories fall under the scope of WikiProject Tropical cyclones and, therefore, their naming should match related categories such as Category:Tropical cyclone articles by quality. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: I favor upmerging Category:Incomplete hurricane templates as, other than the infoboxes, I can think of no other tropical cyclone template in an article that might be incomplete. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:South Pacific Lists of tropical cyclones

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:24, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:South Pacific Lists of tropical cyclones to Category:Lists of tropical cyclones
 * Nominator's rationale: There is no need yet to split Category:Lists of tropical cyclones by region. This single-entry category contains only List of retired South Pacific tropical cyclone names, which already appears in a regional category for retired South Pacific cyclones. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Buffyverse time travel episodes

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 * The result of the discussion was: [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 2. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting buffyverse time travel episodes


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Small category with no possible chance of expansion. Also stretches the definition of "time travel" to the breaking point if not beyond. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 20:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * No, not delete. Double upmerge to two valid parents, Category:Time travel television episodes and Category:Buffyverse time travel stories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:18, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Of the three of these, only one remotely qualifies as a time travel story and even that is on the far end of the definition. One episode involves, in one segment, characters trapped in a short time loop. Another features the erasure of a day, not time travel. The third features one character falling through "cracks" in time. None of them feature time travel as anything approaching a theme. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 21:35, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional poems

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional poems


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Single-item category (whose single item's presence is confusing at best) with no likelihood of expansion. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have put the page into a new Category:Fictional musical works which I think is more useful. I also looked all through List of fictional books and could not find any more pages to populate this one. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * delete A poem which appears in a work of fiction is not itself fictional. And while "Ode to a Small Lump of Green Putty I Found in My Armpit One Midsummer Morning" would surely be a member of this category, I do not see writing an article about it (thank goodness). Seyasirt (talk) 16:01, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Burial places of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting burial places of prime ministers of the united kingdom


 * Nominator's rationale: This category currently contains articles about churchyards, country estates, villages, towns etc - for some of which (e.g. Hatfield and Rothesay) being a PM's burial place is clearly not a WP:DEFINING characteristic. It might be argued that for some small churches being a PM's burial place is what they are (currently) best known for, but IMO this isn't really suitable for categorization (e.g. if a more specific article is found to cover the burial place in Hatfield then does that mean that the Hatfield article should no longer be in the category?).  For info: there is List of burial places of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. DexDor (talk) 18:59, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - not a defining characteristic of the places. Certainly something to mention in their articles but not suitable for a category. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete What PMs did is defining, where their remains are much less so. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Listify -- This is an interesting subject, but not appropriate for a category. It is too like a performacne category for my liking.  It might be appropriate if it was being used for articles on churches and cemeteries, but should not be used for towns or villages.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


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LGBT state legislators of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator. I misread the category structure; there is no ghettoisation. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose merging:
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Arizona‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Arizona‎ and Category:Members of the Arizona‎ Legislature


 * Category:LGBT state legislators in California‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from California‎ and Category:Members of the California‎ State Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Colorado‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Colorado‎ and Category:Members of the Colorado‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Connecticut‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Connecticut‎ and Category:Members of the Connecticut‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Florida‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Florida‎ and Category:Members of the Florida‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Georgia (U.S. state)‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Georgia (U.S. state)‎ and Category:Members of the Georgia General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Hawaii‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Hawaii‎ and Category:Members of the Hawaii‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Illinois‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Illinois‎ and Category:Members of the Illinois‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Iowa‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Iowa‎ and Category:Members of the Iowa‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Maine‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Maine‎ and Category:Members of the Maine‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Maryland‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Maryland‎ and Category:Members of the Maryland‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Massachusetts‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Massachusetts‎ and Category:Members of the Massachusetts General Court
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Michigan‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Michigan‎ and Category:Members of the Michigan‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Minnesota‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Minnesota‎ and Category:Members of the Minnesota‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Mississippi‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Mississippi‎ and Category:Members of the Mississippi‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Missouri‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Missouri‎ and Category:Members of the Missouri‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Montana‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Montana‎ and Category:Members of the Montana‎ State Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Nevada‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Nevada‎ and Category:Members of the Nevada‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in New Hampshire‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from New Hampshire‎ and Category:Members of the New Hampshire‎ General Court
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in New Jersey‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from New Jersey‎ and Category:Members of the New Jersey‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in New Mexico‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from New Mexico‎ and Category:Members of the New Mexico‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in New York‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from New York‎ and Category:Members of the New York‎ State Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in North Carolina‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from North Carolina‎ and Category:Members of the North Carolina‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Ohio‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Ohio‎ and Category:Members of the Ohio‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Oklahoma‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Oklahoma‎ and Category:Members of the Oklahoma‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Oregon‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Oregon‎ and Category:Members of the Oregon‎ Legislative Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Pennsylvania‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Pennsylvania‎ and Category:Members of the Pennsylvania‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Rhode Island‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Rhode Island‎ and Category:Members of the Rhode Island‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Texas‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Texas‎ and Category:Members of the Texas‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Utah‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Utah‎ and Category:Members of the Utah‎ Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Vermont‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Vermont‎ and Category:Members of the Vermont‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Virginia‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Virginia‎ and Category:Members of the Virginia‎ General Assembly
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Washington (state)‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Washington (state)‎ and Category:Members of the Washington‎ State Legislature
 * Category:LGBT state legislators in Wisconsin‎ to Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States and Category:LGBT people from Wisconsin‎ and Category:Members of the Wisconsin‎ Legislature

A similar problem exists with the subcategories of Category:American women state legislators, which I will nominate later. Canada is the only other country where has any sub-cats, but Category:Canadian LGBT people in provincial and territorial legislatures has no subcats, so does not cause any ghettoisation. Note that some of the "LGBT people from Foo-state" categories are redlinked, and will need to be created if this merger proceeds. The other such categories were kept at CFD 2013 September 17, but the creation of new ones here is not intended to prejudice any further nomination of them. Note also that the parent Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States was kept at CFD 2009 January 18; I take no view on whether that decision should be revisited. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an excessively detailed level of categorisation, which breaches WP:CATGRS by ghettoising LGBT politicians from their non-LGBT colleagues in these legislatures. This proposed merger will fix that.
 * WikiProject LGBT studies has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Please note that the nomination will ensure that people are still categorised as LGBT legislators, so your comment about definingness is misplaced. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep All Whether I like it or not, every LGBT state legislator that I have ever heard of or read an article for is identified and defined by their LGBT status. This is exactly the type of categorization that WP:CATGRS specifically includes. Alansohn (talk) 18:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply . See the section on ghettoisation at WP:CATGRS: "sexuality subcategory should never be implemented as the final rung in a category tree". These categories are just such a final rung.
 * I agree with JP (see below) regarding the illogical nature of the "final rung" rationalization, but the ghettoization of state legislators into a single national category is even more illogical in this case. How does Wikipedia and its reader benefit by the inability to navigate across articles for LGBT state legislators on the state level? Being able to see the presence, absence and number of LGBT state legislators within each of the 50 states offers a far greater gain than the merely hypothetical (and grossly misapplied) "final rung" rule could possibly offer here. Alansohn (talk) 19:34, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * WikiProject United States has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I should probably withdraw the nomination, since the rationale is based on some sort of brain failure by me. It has been one of those days. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:47, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, yet merge - All of these people should be categorized as members of their respective state legislatures and as LGBT members of those legislatures. Similar to how Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives co-exists in harmony with Category:LGBT members of the United States Congress. I don't agree that these serve to "segregate" these legislators. An end-rung category would be the further breaking down of the LGBT members into the four sub-groups. That "final rung" business doesn't make much sense to me anyway. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply @Jerry Pepsi. You are right. I hadn't spotted that since all the state legislatures except Nebraska are bicameral, the members are all diffused into subcats for the house and/or the senate.  Duh :(


 * comment im not sure this is a last rung. Last rung is when there are no diffusing sibling cats, but in this case i think there are diffusing sibling categories. That said, i'm leaning towards delete anyway, as im not sure we need to split lgbt at all levels.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Municipal seats in Alberta

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting municipal seats in alberta


 * Nominator's rationale: As recently discussed here, being a place that has, or is near to, the office for a rural municipality, does not make that place notable, and the term "seat" maybe original research. Highlighting towns and villages that are "municipal seats" has been removed, because these towns and villages aren't any more special than any other one where a company has decided to set up shop. 117Avenue (talk) 08:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per related discussion and nom (note I am involved in that discussion). The "municipal/county seat" concept does not exist in Alberta. This is an example of OR-application of the concept from elsewhere (e.g., United States) simply because some municipal districts and specialized municipalities in Alberta are branded as "counties" (see List of municipal districts in Alberta and Specialized municipalities of Alberta). Hwy43 (talk) 22:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per both above, and I was involved in that talk page discussion as well. As noted, Alberta does not have county seats and this categorization attempts to shoehorn a foreign concept. Resolute 01:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * How about Category:Municipality centers in Alberta. I am not a Canadian and so decline voting.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, original research, no one calls them that, and if they did it would be centre. 117Avenue (talk) 04:50, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Television series about bats

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting television series about bats


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAT, zero chance of expansion. No other show features a bat prominently, and Batman isn't really "about a bat". Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 08:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nominator. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William 12:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've put the other contents into Category:Fictional bats, which is more useful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:People from Union, Mississippi

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 * The result of the discussion was: [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 2. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting people from union, mississippi


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAT, only one entry. Upmerge to Category:People from Neshoba County, Mississippi or delete. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Union, Mississippi is located in both Neshoba County and Newton County. -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:34, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Major League Baseball players from Latin America

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Major League Baseball players from Latin America to Category:Major League Baseball players by national origin
 * Nominator's rationale: This nomination follows up on the 5 November 2013 discussion that resulted in the merging of a parallel category for the National Basketball Association. As in the other instance, this category forms an unnecessary layer of categorization. There is no organizational improvement brought about by splitting Category:Major League Baseball players by cultural or geographic region, in addition to national origin. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:50, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * delete I'm also not a fan of too many different geographic groupings; by nation is usually good enough. Delete per nom.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 07:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep There are hundreds of books and articles on the defining connection between baseball and Latin America, such as Baseball with a Latin Beat: A History of the Latin American Game and Viva Baseball!: Latin Major Leaguers and Their Special Hunger that address the topic at book length, chapters in such encyclopedic works as The Britannica Guide to Baseball, The Cambridge Companion to Baseball and The ESPN Baseball Encyclopedia, and newspaper / magazine articles including Baseball in Latin America; Draft dodgers no more in The Economist and "Opening Day: Over 28 Percent of MLB Players Are Foreign-Born" from Fox Sports Latino which noted that "24.2 percent players on this year's MLB rosters are foreign-born players from Latin American countries. Only 4 percent of the league is Canadian, European or Asian." It's not surprising that the corresponding basketball category was deleted as there is no corresponding connection between Latin America and the NBA that matches the incredibly strong defining connection between Latin America and Major League Baseball. The underlying problem here is the complete and total lack of any effort to try to search for sources that would demonstrate why there might be a defining connection between Major League Baseball and Latin America, as required by Wikipedia policy. Far too often the excuses we get for deletion are of the "not a fan" type, which do nothing to address the potential benefit of the category. I can't think of anything in Wikipedia that is "necessary" and we can use that as a pathetic excuse to delete anything and everything, but if our purpose is to match usage in the real world and to provide readers with an effective navigation tool to view articles and categories sharing a strong defining common characteristic, then this is exactly the type of category that should be retained. Alansohn (talk) 18:13, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the thought and detail you have put into your response, and I do not dispute that there exists a significant connection between MLB and Latin America. However, I think that alone does not answer the question of whether we should have a category for MLB players from Latin America. Presently, the category is merely a container for several national-level categories, contains no content pertaining to the "defining connection", and appears to serve merely an organizational function. From that perspective, and in light of the fact that there exists no scheme of "baseball and/in/of Latin America" or "Latin American baseball", I maintain that it adds no value to the navigation available through Category:Major League Baseball players by national origin or, at minimum, is premature.
 * On the matter of the so-called "underlying problem", it seems to me that your frustration is a long-standing one based on previous experiences ("Far too often..."). I kindly remind you that I have not volunteered to be a receptacle for those frustrations; in the past year, I have made just a handful of nominations for deletion (mostly uncontroversial), and so your reaction is either disproportionate or misplaced. Your final sentence contains a well-formed opinion on "effective navigation", but your treatment of the term "necessary" is rather disingenious—Wikipedia itself is not necessary, in one sense, but that is clearly not the meaning conveyed in my original comment.
 * Regards, -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Unnecessary layer of categorization. Sorting by nationality is plenty. Resolute 01:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge - while I agree that an article or even a series could be written about baseball in Latin America, that doesn't make this a necessary or correct category grouping. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge -- The target is not over populated. The nationality will appear on the player's article by the use of the national sub-cat.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, unnecessary layer, since we have categories for each country already. A merge is also fine. Wizardman  18:13, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
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Category:Qom geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:16, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Qom geography stubs to Category:Qom Province geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. One more Iranian province. Rename for consistency. Dawynn (talk) 03:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree, not quite sure how these came about, but time to clean them up. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 07:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Mazandaran geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mazandaran geography stubs to Category:Mazandaran Province geography stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. This is for a province of Iran. Rename for consistency with categories for other Iranian provinces. Dawynn (talk) 03:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree, not quite sure how these came about, but time to clean them up. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 07:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)