Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 October 31



Category:Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 19:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic winners to Category:Breeders' Cup Distaff winners
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The race has reverted to it's former title and the rename will bring the category into line with the main article Bcp67 (talk) 21:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong support: The article was renamed, the cat should be as well, the  Distaff was the original name and has been restored, the other name was used 2008-2012, but is no longer used.  See   Montanabw (talk) 01:42, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Bcp67, were you aware of WP:CSD? You actually didn't need to bring this here: it's our policy to speedy-move categories when their eponymous articles have been moved as the result of a WP:RM, and that's the situation here.  Although you didn't use that process, it would be absurd not to follow the spirit of that process.  Nyttend (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Articles that link to foreign language Wikisource

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Articles that link to foreign-language Wikisources. There was agreement on the hyphen, I'm using the "Wikisources" grammar b/c both users mentioned it as an acceptable option.. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 19:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles that link to foreign language Wikisource to Category:Articles that link to foreign-language Wikisource
 * Nominator's rationale: Compound modifier. Also seems like it should either be "foreign-language Wikisources" or "foreign-language Wikisource articles" Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Support renaming for compound modifier (hadn't realised this rule when I made the category). The category is based on and categorised under Category:Articles that link to Wikisource, so should ideally follow a similar naming pattern, and I'd say "articles" was redundant, but I'd also support either "Wikisources" or "a foreign-language Wikisource" for good grammar. -- xensyria T 19:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, just a comment to say that this would require an edit to Template:Infobox book, which, as a template in wide use, may be worth combining with other edits which may need to be done. &#8209;&#8209; xensyria T 17:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Rectories

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Rectories to Category:Clergy houses
 * Nominator's rationale: Reflecting move of main article from Rectory to the more general and inclusive title Clergy house. Vicarage, parsonage, parish house, Pastorium etc all redirect to the main article. Johnbod (talk) 14:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename to match article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I know an awful lot of priests and ministers and I've never heard of any of them refer to a "clergy house". It's an invented term created to be inclusive. But it's not a term that individuals use, they say rectory, parsonage or parish house. Liz  Read! Talk! 21:08, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And where are you exactly? See Alfriston Clergy House for example, and Bradford, Willesden etc. A google search on ""clergy house" Texas" shows plenty of uses for specific places. A bunch of these terms rightly redirect to one article, & clergy house is the best common denominator. "Rectory" was hopeless. I'm not saying it's the most common, but it is denomination neutral, & the easiest to understand for those without your wide circle of clergy contacts.  Johnbod (talk) 03:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename. This probably could have been speedy-moved (see WP:CSD), but since it wasn't, we should still move it on that principle.  "Clergy house" is a good descriptive term: it's intentionally ambiguous and thus capable of covering this topic despite the numerous different names by which it's known in different circles.  Closing admin Please don't delete Category:Rectory; please use Category redirect, since it's old enough that lots of people know it and will probably continue using it without noticing that it's been moved.  Nyttend (talk) 12:48, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Category:Clergy housing would be an acceptable alternative? Jerry Pepsi (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Strictly, a rectory is the living not the house, but the category is being used to include vicarages etc, which are not the houses of rectories.  No objection to a cat-redirect.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose as nominated. In the case of RC housing, it is more akin to an apartment house then an individual house so I see the proposed name as inaccurate. I know this follows the current main article name, but perhaps both are wrong.  Maybe Category:Clergy housing and Clergy housing are the best choices. Some religions do provide normal residences for their religious leaders and in that case calling it a house would be OK.  But to apply that to all religions is not wise. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:32, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * An "apartment house" is a house just as much as a single family dwelling, and RC clergy houses invariably share the communal reception rooms, kitchens etc, though of course people have their own bedrooms. No doubt many RC clergy now live individually in normal apartments, but all the local parishes round here use normal houses not purpose-built, mostly with more than one occupant, and this has certainly been the case historically for RC clergy worldwide, as much as Protestant ones, even with no need to accomodate spouses & children. One nearby RC parish (with other priests around too) has just built a new one nicknamed the "McMansion".  Plus the category is for individually notable buildings, the vast majority of which are listed on cultural heritage registers, and we aren't likely to have any articles on clergy apartments, are we (I rather doubt even the present Pope's apartment in Buenos Aires is notable)?  The categories contains many RC clergy houses, or ones that formerly were. Your inability to distinguish between a "religion" (Christianity) and a denomination (Roman Catholicism) suggests this is not an area you are familiar with. Are there any articles in the category for which you think the term "house" is inaccurate?  Johnbod (talk) 02:13, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Schiller (band)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:54, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting schiller (band)


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. More unnecessary eponymous categories only to hold subcategories of albums and songs. WP:OC. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 13:51, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - per WP:OC and WP:OP. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 20:29, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Dale Carnegie

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dale carnegie


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Following category cleanup, the remaining contents leave us with a small category with little to no probability of growth. Existing contents do not require an eponymous category for navigating them. The category was speedy deleted G7 13 months ago and re-created in good faith in May of this year.


 * Full disclosure: Before nominating I removed the following articles because I believe they were incorrectly categorized here: How to Talk Dirty and Influence People (book whose title parodies a Carnegie title); How to Lose Friends & Alienate People (memoir) (same); How to Make Friends and Influence People (album with title similar to Carnegie book); The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness (book which includes content which an editor declared without sourcing is similar to material from a Carnegie book); When life gives you lemons, make lemonade (phrase, a version of which Carnegie used but did not originate and which he credited to another). Jerry Pepsi (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment There's never anything wrong (on recreation grounds, at least) with recreating a G7-deleted page; remember that G7 is for pages whose creator requests deletion. Use of the criterion doesn't imply that anything's wrong with the page.  Nyttend (talk) 12:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I didn't mean to imply that there was, which is why I specifically noted as part of the nomination that the re-creation was done in good faith. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 16:58, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Support nom -- all we need is the "books by" cat, to which the article on the man will be a main article. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
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Category:Persistent pollutants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting persistent pollutants


 * Nominator's rationale: Category without clearly defined criteria. Hence, the decision whether an article should be considered is arbitrary. The existing categories, Category:Persistent Organic Pollutants under the Stockholm Convention and Category:Persistent Organic Pollutants under the Convention on Long-Range Transboundary Air Pollution have clearly defined inclusion criteria. Leyo 10:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Object: I agree that there is allready a Category:Persistent Organic Pollutants under the Stockholm Convention and Persistent Organic Pollutants under the Convention on Long-Range Transboundary Air Pollution however: these do not list actual products, rather they list compounds that are forbidden under the convention. The consumer does hence not know whether a certain product (ie pesticide) is a persistent polluter, unless he starts reading the label for the contents (assuming he actually has the product in his possession) or unless he researches this online. I think that we can't assume that wikipedia readers will do this for very product, and so it certainly has its merit for the pages here. Also, there is no specific category for inorganic persistent pollutants. KVDP (talk) 13:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - category has no clear inclusion criteria in the absence of a definition of what constitutes a "persistent" pollutant. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That is my main concern: Deciding whether an article should be added to this category is original research. --Leyo 20:25, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This might exist as a container category for both the Convention categories. The headnote seeks to include inorganic as well.  However, this would include heavy metals, such as lead, where bio (or other) degradation is not feasible.  I do not think that a parent is needed for the two convenbtions; hence delete.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
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Category:Maps illustrating African American history

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:51, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting maps illustrating african american history


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC, there is only one map in the category and even that should be moved to Commons. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator....William 12:05, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- files are often placed in Commons, which would leave the category empty. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Music published by Another Victory

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting music published by another victory


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. The publisher of the songs within this category is not a defining quality of these songs. Most of the songs in the category are redirects and the ones with articles don't even mention who the publisher is, and it surely wouldn't be something that would be mentioned in the lead of the article much less anywhere else. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:38, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Question - Does the same argument extend to the rest of Category:Music by publisher? If so, a group nomination might be appropriate. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of the other categories are filled with songs by the Beatles and the songs released as solo artists and I am uncertain as to whether the publisher of those is just as non-defining. I think it's more clear cut on a band that has only been around for 10 years with nearly every song in the category a redirect. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 09:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust The Homunculus 07:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. I'm not sure that I agree with the nominator's rationale, but this category is redundant.  We could move some contents to Category:Victory Records singles, move others to Category:Victory Records albums, and remove it entirely from the pages that don't mention Victory.  Nyttend (talk) 12:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This category ought to be about sheet music publishing. There are do many redirects that it is difficult to see the wood for the trees, but without all the redirects this would be a vey small category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


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